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  1. Speaking of relocations, \ The classic Expos logo is incredibly ugly. While I do appreciate the attempt to subtly add the "e" and "b" to the "M" silhouette (even if it adds an unintentional "l" into the mix), the execution is lacking. Instead of looking graceful, it simply looks like an M-shaped blob with an "e" and "b" attached. If the unlikely return of the Expos was ever to happen, I hope they aren't forced to use this logo. I'd much rather they use something like this: A combination of the excellent (and more importantly, graceful) "M" from the 1992-2004 road script with a contrast-colored fleur-de-lis (as a way of contrasting them with the Anglophone Blue Jays and their Maple Leaf logo).
  2. I thought about that, but as long as they play in St. Petersburg, I would rather their road uniforms referred to Tampa Bay Area rather than the city of Tampa. Now, onto the next one. NEW YORK METS Version 1 While I feel like I mastered the Mets the first time around, I felt like I could make additional changes to clean up their look. Several of these changes include the use of the BP caps' Mr. Met as the tertiary logo (as opposed to the 1990's rendering of my previous concept), the elimination of the sleeve trim on the road uniform/blue alternate, and the smaller sleeve patch (my original renderings made the sleeve patch a little too large). More notably, I switched the road script from the 1987 script to a tail-less and white outline-less version of the 1993-4 script. The 1993-4 script uses a font that's more consistent with the home script, and I felt it made the set more cohesive. The blue alternates have been consolidated into one alternate, meant to be worn with both white and grey pants. The snow white pants remain in this redesign, as pinstripe pants with softball tops look terrible. The other alternate is a once-a-season alt meant to throw back to the NL baseball history of New York. It is based both on the Met's previous fauxback alternate (one of my favorite one-use uniforms in the MLB) and on one of Discrimihater's favorite subjects, the 1916 New York Giants' checked home uniform (and the similar Brooklyn Dodgers uniform). The fauxback is more inclusive to other eras of New York baseball, and it feels more like a legitimate alternate than another softball top. C+C is greatly appreciated, as always.
  3. Oh boy, the Sharks finally do something right for a change! The sweater works just as well as it did in 1991 (the logo still needs updating, but not in the "xtreme" style of the 2007 version), and seeing the proper color scheme back is pretty cool. I would love for this alternate and its colors to be the basis of a new identity for the Sharks, one free of orange, "lightness," and front numbers.
  4. The outline is on the standard cap to add some light blue onto the cap (as a light blue "TB" wouldn't look all that good). Since there was the blue bill on the alt cap, I saw no need to have the outline (much like how the A's have an outline on their unnecessary road cap while they don't on their home cap).
  5. TAMPA BAY RAYS Old versions here This one is a minor tweak to my original concept, but one that I felt was worth performing. I adjusted the shades of Forest Green and Light Blue so that they had more saturation/contrast. The most obvious difference between my previous Rays concept and this one is that the road uniform now bears an arched "Tampa Bay" script. Even though it does produce an inconsistency with the home uniform, I thought the length of the team's nickname would excuse the issue. The grey base has also changed to a lighter gray (as have many throughout my updates), so that both the Forest Green and Light Blue can be accommodated without white outlines. The block font is now the Pittsburgh Penguins' current block font, as I felt it fit with the semi-modern nature of the Rays' identity, and it mixed up the amount of block variants in the MLB. The alternates have been changed around as well, as the blue-billed hat is now exclusive to the light blue alternate, and the green alternate now has its script colors flipped (for improved clarity). While this isn't markedly different from my original concept, I do feel that it refines it further. C+C is greatly appreciated!
  6. I would assume that Jack Clark liked the solid black helmet, so he kept it when the rest of the team switched. The 1978 helmet switch would seem to indicate that the orange billed hats were an afterthought in the Giants' redesign for 1977. It would not be the only pre-release change, as there's also an unused uniform from the 1977 redesign, using the 1950's-72 script: When combined with the road uniform from the 1977 season, it seems that the Giants were hesitant to deviate too much from their previous looks when adopting the pullover/sansabelt template.
  7. I wonder if the new sweater will be a rehash of the new road jersey with green and white reversed. If that paves the way to make it a full time primary set, I have absolutely no problems with that.I would also love to see that happen. I'd rather they go back to their inaugural set, but this is still a welcome move toward consistency and eliminating the red sweater.
  8. Thanks for the C+C guys, I appreciate it. Here's an update of the Cubs' home and road uniforms, with the tertiary on the sleeves and no stripes on the home socks. I opted to keep the neck piping on the road and road's "blue with red outline" numbering, because I wanted it to be a straight-up recreation of the '58-'68 road uniform (albeit with an NOB and an updated patch) and I thought it looked better that way (adding more red into the uniform subtly, rather than the nasty red numbers - unique they may be). I'm not sure as of yet. Some of these will be updates to the old concepts, while others will be experimentation with different ideas for teams that I feel I got right the first time. These would be things like a different lettering font, a color scheme change, etc.
  9. Shockingly, I think the Giants have exceeded my expectations. I thought that they'd be flat-out terrible this year, yet they stayed in the race until the end of August. It was a pleasant surprise that they were as good as they were this year, and I hope they do a bit of an overhaul in the offseason (i.e. a better backup 2B, better starters outside of MadBum, etc.)
  10. I'm back from my short break, and I've got a good one for you guys! CHICAGO CUBS Version 1 This is one that centers around consistency fixes and updated templates. I adjusted the shade of blue to be slightly lighter, to inject a little bit more variety into the royal blue teams in the MLB. The logos are much the same as my first go-around, except I replaced the inaccurate cap logo with the actual cap logo (I originally used the svg displayed on Wikipedia) and adjusted the tertiary logo to match. I kept the uniforms similar to my originals (old bear logo, no NOB at home, 1958-68 road wordmark.), but I did adjust some things. I replaced the set-in sleeves of my first concept with raglan sleeves (which suits the Cubs more), I added white edges to the sock stripes (for consistency with the cap logo), and I redid the piping on the road uniform to match the uniform it's based on. The blue road alt gets tweaked to match the piping of the road uniform, and the primary logo appears on the sleeve. The grey alt bites the dust (the actual one is terrible, and mine was not much better), and it gets replaced with a "Retro Day" alternate. "Retro Day" would be an annual event at Wrigley, where the Cubs wear a uniform from their past. In the season depicted, they're rocking the 1941-2 home uniform. I chose it simply because it was one of my favorite Cubs throwbacks from the Wrigley Centennial Celebration, and because it offered so many unique design elements (the stripes and shoulder yoke on the undershirt, the sorta-wishbone C, the zipper-front, etc.). While this is not radically different from my original concept, I feel like it rectifies some of my mistakes from the original and clears up the basic ideas of that concept. C+C is greatly appreciated, as always.
  11. At least the socks are white. They're still ugly, but in a way that's a little bit charming and kitschy.
  12. Here are two that the Giants should bring back, to get some consistency back in the uniform set: As for unused uniforms, it would be nice if this one saw the light of day as a one-off:
  13. Apparently, the orange caps aren't in the rotation anymore. http://news.sportslogos.net/2015/03/20/marlins-bringing-back-grey-dropping-orange-caps/ That's a bit of a shame, considering how the team would look so much better if they embraced any of their wild colors (orange, "Marlin blue," yellow, etc.) over the black.
  14. Drop/Rise Shadow: the 1973-2002 San Antonio Spurs. Granted, I was happy that they eschewed the shadows for double outlines, but something about those drop shadows made them less egregious than other shadows throughout sports. I can't really put my finger on it, but it simply worked. Heck, the Spurs also pulled off outline-only scripts: Like the A's, their great color scheme allows them to violate various design rules and emerge with a great look.
  15. Thanks. I tried out that orange alt for the Tigers, and I actually kind of like it: I still prefer the navy alt, but the orange doesn't look half bad either. Also, I've got a new update ready to go! OAKLAND ATHLETICS Version 1 While I am thoroughly content with my previous A's concept, I felt like I missed an opportunity with the team. A few of my goals in the original series included broadening the spectrum of color schemes in the MLB and bringing in historical elements to current looks. The A's present two opportunities to this, and I didn't take them, until now. Since there is already an AL team using Forest Green in my series (the Rays, who will keep that color scheme in their update), I decided to bring back Kelly Green for the A's. After I did my Sonics concept, I figured that a more saturated/darker Kelly shade could contrast well with the yellow-gold color, so I went with that shade of Kelly Green here (Pantone 349c, for those curious). The other change I made was with regard to the historical significance of the elephant logo, namely, green is the wrong color for it. Per the story of its origin on the uniforms, it should always be white. So, I recolored the elephant and added green and yellow outlines, so that it could show up on all of the team's jerseys. It's also been promoted to the primary while the roundel gets demoted to secondary (only to be used when the situation requires a roundel logo). The uniforms are much the same as my original concept (thin trim on the pants and home/road jerseys to match the alts, flipping the colors on the green alt, and making the home cap the only cap), but with the new color scheme and white elephant applied to them. I decided to drop the vest alternates, as I felt they cluttered up the set and that they didn't add much in the way of identity (they can be thrown back to at the team's discretion). While I love the A's in their current Forest Green set, and I stand by my original concept, the Kelly Green does suit them well and the white elephant ties the logo in more with its origin story. C+C is greatly appreciated!
  16. Thanks for the C+C, I really appreciate it in refining my concepts. ATLANTA BRAVES Version 1 This one is a small tweak upon my original concept. While many of the changes I made with the original remain (return to the Milwaukee-era navy shade, Northwestern stripe on the socks, contrast-colored tomahawk on the home/road uniforms, home cap on the road uniform), I made a few more adjustments. I removed the front numbers, as I felt they cluttered up the front (which several posts mentioned in the original thread). I also redid the arched NOB, using a font the more closely resembled the old arched NOB font. Most of the changes in this update were made to the alternates. The navy alternate stays largely the same, except with the "Braves" script taking the place of the "Altanta" one. The red alt goes away, in an attempt to differentiate themselves from the Nationals (who are red-dominant in my original and in the update I'll do). In it's place, a fauxback to the iconic "715" uniforms worn during the early-mid 1970's. I chose not to make it a full throwback as I prefer the Braves to use navy rather than royal (and the original's script was not a particularly good rendering of the iconic script). Like their current BP hat, this design swaps out royal blue for navy. The jerseys are also button-front (for player comfort/personal preference), and feature an NOB. I know that some may bemoan the loss of the red alternate, but I think a fauxback to one of their most iconic sets is the better route for the Braves and amongst two red-dominant NL East teams (Philadelphia and Washington). C+C is greatly appreciated, as always.
  17. Thanks you! Credit me as [NAME REDACTED], or SFGiants58 from boards.sportslogos.net (whichever works for your blog). Also, make sure to credit Ren69 for the Beer Barrelman rendering. It inspired me to go this route with the Brewers, and I can't thank him enough for his work. I'm mostly going to be handling teams I was unsatisfied with originally (i.e. the Twins and the soon to be posted Braves), or alternate explorations on the team's identity (i.e. the Brewers and a yet to be revealed team).
  18. Hmm. I dunno. There's a lot I love about this set, from the tertiary logo (which really belongs on more than one jersey) to the color scheme to your new script wordmark. Although have you considered a different tail? (picture of 1948 Brewers throwback, which is beautiful but too big for this post) That would be unique in MLB. I also have to say that I don't like the barley stripes on cuffs and outseam. Just too much. But you've given me something to think about with that cap logo. Thanks guys. I think it's about time I updated the Brewers: Version 3 I decided to revert back to the asymmetrical M-barley logo, as I felt it was more compact and kept more within the "sweeping" nature of the scripts. Owgust the Beer Barrelman is now the secondary logo, and a version of Owgust in front of the state of Wisconsin (with the glove over Milwaukee) is now the tertiary. On the uniforms, the scripts' tails have been tweaked to more resemble the tail of the Brewers' script from the 1940's. This not only allows them to have more unique scripts, but also preserves a visual continuity between the different iterations of the Brewers (the American Association club and the MLB team). The barley stripes are staying, as they provide a unique striping element within a normal striping region and mimic the striping pattern of my Version 1 of the Brewers. Owgust is now a sleeve patch on all of the uniforms, with the blue using the tertiary version (to represent the location, as the alternate does not use a "Milwaukee" script). I didn't want to entirely eliminate the BiG from their logo set, and I wanted to pay tribute to the American Association Brewers club, so I opted to add throwback/fauxback uniforms to be worn occasionally (but not enough to create an identity crisis like the current Brewers). The BiG fauxback is basically their 1993 home uniform (because of the NOB), but with some changes. Most notably, the uniform gains a sleeve patch that isn't the BiG (one of my nitpicks of the current fauxback), but is instead the 1970's Beer Barrelman in front of the original Wisconsin logo (with the Milwaukee star next to the Barrelman's foot). Also, the socks are striped with the Seattle Pilots' sock stripe pattern, honoring a small part of the Brewers' franchise history while keeping the Mariners far away from entertaining the royal/yellow color scheme again with a gaudy fauxback. The other throwback is a recreation of the 1948 American Association Brewers' home uniform, which corrects some minor inaccuracies of the 2013 throwback. The cap logo now looks more like the actual cap logo, and the jersey now has raglan sleeves (which required me to adjust the template) and a zipper front. A navy/red version of Ren's Ogwust rendering has been added to the sleeve to help all of the uniforms tie in with a visual continuity, namely a script front with an Owgust/Beer Barrelman sleeve and an "M/MB" cap logo. This identity for the Brewers takes elements from the history of the MLB club and the history of baseball in Milwaukee (the American Association Brewers and their affiliation with the future Milwaukee Braves), and incorporates them into a cohesive identity that balances both modernity and vintage charm. The throwbacks/fauxbacks also aid this goal, as they carry across a visual continuity of script and logo design with references to various points of Milwaukee's baseball history (i.e. the BiG, pinstripes, the classic script, and the Braves affiliation). C+C is greatly appreciated!
  19. I did think about it, but I felt that a more restrained look would be better. The barley leaves are already on the cap logo, cuffs, and pants stripe. Putting it on the script tails would be a bit overkill. Also, I'd appreciate a more eloquent response than a punctuation-less request for a certain design element. Thanks. I've updated the "M" logo to have the two barley leaves intersecting, and I've placed a yellow bill on the blue alternate. I thought about dumping the ball-in-glove, but I felt it fit in with the brand (a representation of "MB"). Version 2.5 ...and a minor tweak to one of my original concepts! DETROIT TIGERS Version 1 This update is far less significant than the previous updates. While I'm OK with my original, I felt it could be improved. I added four orange sock stripes with white outlines to the road uniform to reference both an apocryphal story on the origin of the team's name and the aesthetic history of the team. The rare-use alternates have also been updated. The navy blue alt (solely to be used in Spring Training/exhibition games) loses its placket trim (as I felt it didn't gel with the script), gains cuff striping, uses the road uniforms' sock stripes, and now has a sleeve patch featuring the modern Tiger head. The road alternate now uses the Olde English D logo from 1921-24, making it a more accurate imitation of the road uniforms from the period, albeit with more modern elements like the numbers and NOB. While it may not be a radical transformation, I still think it these minor tweaks do bump the set up a bit. C+C is greatly appreciated!
  20. MILWAUKEE BREWERS Version 1 While I was happy with my first Brewers concept, I felt that it was worthwhile to do another take on it. I redid my realignment, putting the Brewers back in the NL Central. Considering the minor league Brewers' association with the Braves, and the Braves tenure in Milwaukee, having the Brewers remain an NL team works within my series. I've facilitated this by placing the Astros in the NL West (historical presence in said division and geographic balance with the AL West), and sending the Rockies into the AL West (I felt it worked more than having the Diamondbacks in the AL West, and geographic balance of the West divisions). I've kept my original color scheme (royal blue/athletic gold), but I've brought in a new primary. It's meant to be a "Borchert Field-ized" version of the current cap logo, as the block M has relevance to both the minor league and major league baseball history of Milwaukee. The ball-in-glove remains a secondary logo (as it's too iconic and popular not to be used, but is too generic to really be used as a primary), with a recolored version of Ren69's excellent 1940's-style Beer Barrelman (Owgust) as a tertiary. The uniforms now feature the barley leaf pattern on the cuffs and on the pants stripe, mimicking the striping of my original concept while adding some flair. The "block M and barley" logo is now the cap logo, with the ball-in-glove staying on as a sleeve patch. The sock stripe pattern remains unchanged, as the barley pattern did not work on the socks. I also redid the scripts to make them more consistent. I kept the slab-serif number font, but added a slab-serif NOB font to make the set more unified. The gold alternate now emulates the style of uniforms worn by the minor league Brewers worn from about 1911-37, but with the modern cap logo in place of the block M. The ball-in-glove gets its spot on the cap, and the Beer Barrelman appears on the sleeve. The blue alternate is a simple recoloring of the home uniform, but with yellow scripts and no outlines (the white outlines did muddy the script on my original blue alternate). While I still stand by my original, I like to think of this as a worthwhile experiment. Instead of relying entirely on an update of the 1970's Brewers' iconography, it instead incorporates what works in the current branding and what worked for both the minor and major league Brewers throughout the decades (aside from the Germanic era, which is one of the most overrated looks on this site - teal and metallic gold have no business being together). C+C is greatly appreciated!
  21. The mere fact that there is confusion over the color of the Rockies' pinstripes just points to the Rockies' poor attempt at color distribution. Ideally, the uniform should look like this (excuse the dodgy photoshop job): Embracing purple, while relegating black to an accent color, should be the proper color distribution.
  22. The A's elephant logo should always be white, in accordance to it's origin story. Per athletics.com... Just outline the current elephant with green/yellow, and it could work in white on all of the uniforms (white/grey/gold/green).
  23. Ren69 did indeed clean up the original logo: I'm pretty ambivalent about the Dolphins' logo. I could go for any option they present (blotchy dolphin, angry dolphin, ocean liner dolphin), so long as it uses shades of aqua and orange alone.
  24. Thanks. I opted to go with white script/red outline to differentiate the Twins from the other navy/red teams (i.e. Red Sox and Braves). Anyway, here is an update with the original "TC" and a tweaked home script (so the "w" has better line weights): Home and Road Alternates
  25. Rickey Henderson: Because multiple exposures are the only way to capture the man's speed on the basepaths.