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20 minutes ago, SCMODS said:

Good idea in theory but you know the greedy owners prefer that sweet expansion money. 

Which is why I think what will happen is the Coyotes will be bought by the league (again), they'll play at Mullet Arena for a couple more years with no rush to move while the NHL will put the team on the market with a price tag upwards to an expansion fee.  

That would allow cities (outside of Houston, KC, Quebec City, Portland, etc) to pitch the league for the team that aren't move-in ready (like SLC, San Diego, Austin, etc.) and drive up the sale price.

Honestly, the NHL shouldn't have expanded to 32 until the Arizona situation was solved. It would have been much easier to sell/move the Coyotes to Vegas or Seattle and then expand. Now if the Coyotes leave for Quebec, Houston, SLC, etc., etc. the situation is more hasty than if the NHL opened up an expansion bid process.

MLB is smart in waiting to expand until Tampa and Oakland are figured out.

16 hours ago, mcj882000 said:

Sorry to be pedantic but acktually it's from the World Figure Skating Championships a year earlier  

In all seriousness yeah, it's from 20 years ago, but it's not actually any better now. At the very least this more modern photo shows that the NHL rink does not, in fact, have to run under the sideline bleachers the way the international-sized ice seemed to, thankfully, but it's still not good as a long-term solution. And since I don't think the Jazz are looking for a new arena (yet), a long-term solution is what it would have to be.

At said 2002 Olympics though, they didn't even do the hockey gold medal games here, they ran those at the E Center way out in West Valley City; and lest anyone think another suburban arena is the solution to the Coyotes problems: the E Center only seats 12,000 fans. 

Yeah, the Delta Center is not a long term solution. And, the Maverik Center location works for minor league hockey even with a renovation. However the west side of the valley is growing rapidly that it COULD work, but I am of the belief that if hockey is going to work long term here in SLC it will have to be owned by Ryan Smith, or whoever owns the Jazz, with a shared arena.

49 minutes ago, gosioux76 said:

 

I'll let @Conrad. confirm or deny this, but my bet is they're going back to blue/red/white. (probably a light blue, if I had to guess.) 

 

The video unveiling the script change was predominantly filled with images of the Kings from their days as a primarily blue club. There's only one or two purple uniforms in that issue. It feels as if they went out of their way to showcase their prior color scheme. 

33 minutes ago, Lights Out said:

I just watched the video and I don't get that impression at all. They even included multiple pictures of the shiny gold alternates that a lot of people hated at the time. Of course, there's no getting around the fact that red, white and blue were their team colors when they originally introduced the script.

Yeah, I don't get that impression either. In fact, I get a great impression that they're doing a black version of the script based off the tease. Odds are it'll be on the Statement jerseys and we probably won't see a change (or much of one) on the Icon and Association jerseys. 

However, I could see them use the script at some point for their City Edition jerseys with a light blue or whatever, but the Kings are entrenched into being a purple and black team now. 

46 minutes ago, FinsUp1214 said:

Strangely enough, I only know one Avs fan here and he’s a co-worker who is originally from Denver anyways. One other co-worker is a Wild fan because he lived in Minnesota for a while, another co-worker is a Kraken fan because he worked in Seattle for a few years and adopted it as a second hometown, and a friend of mine is a Caps fan because she worked in DC for a few years. There’s a decent number of Knights fans here, but not nearly enough for me to say Utah is strongly Knights territory either.

 

This is a long way of saying I think there’s interest in hockey here, but those who are fans here either root for teams from places they have other connections to, or just recently hopped on to the Knights wagon. The Avs don’t really have a foothold here at all, so there wouldn’t be any worry of cutting into any sort of territory.

 

The biggest challenge for an SLC team would be the stadium. Soon-to-be-again Delta Celter wasn’t really built with hockey in mind and has bad sightlines, and as you mentioned,  Maverik Center (formerly E Center) in West Valley is a minor league stadium. They’d either have to build a new stadium and grit out a season or two at the Delta Center, or renovate either existing stadium. 

I feel like one of the reasons why Ryan Smith would be interested in an expansion team is because of the arena situation. It'd give him more time to determine an arena situation and would probably be dependent on getting the Olympics again. There'd have to be a new arena and that could give him the resources for a place for a team along with the Jazz (if needed). 

Also, I've HEARD that the Maverik Center is expandable if needed, but I haven't seen or read anything that would suggest that. 

2 hours ago, mcj882000 said:

Alright, so having done some research on this, I've come to the conclusion that Delta Center in SLC is completely inadequate for NHL hockey. You all mentioned how it has the problem of stacked seats on one endzone because the rink is too long for the normal arena space, ala Barclays Center and Talking Stick Arena? 



Well, it turns out Delta Center has that problem on both endzones. (And possibly along the sidelines, depending on how wide this non-NHL rink is!) Listed capacity for hockey, according to Wikipedia: 14,000.

That's the setup from the Olympics, not that the hockey setup is any better, but I think it'd work temporarily better than Phoenix or Brooklyn.

7 hours ago, TBGKon said:

As for SLC, is the Vivint Arena made for a proper hockey setup?  All pics I have seen of the venues ice setup is like this.  

 

Yeah, the Delta Center isn't suited well for hockey. But, I think the only way it happens is if Ryan Smith buys them and eventually builds a new arena for both teams. I feel like the teams would cannibalize each other with two separate owners and arenas. 

I want a hockey team here in SLC, but it feels like a longer shot than MLB.

1 hour ago, WestCoastBias said:

Rip to the Coyotes.

 

I doubt they relocate to Quebec City though, it's gonna be Houston. 

I don't think Houston is necessarily a shoe-in either. I think it depends on what Meruelo does now. If he sells the team -- is it just to the highest bidder? I feel like Bettman will have his hands over it all so who knows?

15 minutes ago, WSU151 said:

 

Actually, it would indicate they’re getting new Citys (as most teams have new Citys every year), and teams that wear Classics one year usually don’t have Classics the next. Not every team wears Classics every year. 

The Warriors say hello.

I'm digging the wordmark. I wonder if this will be on all jerseys? Just a black one?

Also ... they better have NUTNs! 

22 hours ago, kimball said:

Per Locker Vision ...

 

(Just waiting for the rest of the schedule including the Lakers-Nuggets series.)

 

Eastern Conference Finals

G1 - MIA (Red) @ BOS (White)

G2 - MIA (Red) @ BOS (White)
G3 - BOS (Black) @ MIA (White)

G4 - BOS (Green) @ MIA (White)

G5

G6

G7

 

Western Conference Finals

G1

G2
G3

G4

G5

G6

G7

Okay, the league only has the first four games of each series (weird), the Lakers and Nuggets definitely didn't get the memo from the Heat and Celtics.

Eastern Conference Finals

G1 - MIA (Red) @ BOS (White)

G2 - MIA (Red) @ BOS (White)
G3 - BOS (Black) @ MIA (White)

G4 - BOS (Green) @ MIA (White)

G5 - 

G6

G7

Western Conference Finals

G1 - LAL (Gold) @ DEN (Blue - Statement)

G2 - LAL (Gold) @ DEN (Navy Blue)
G3 - DEN (Blue - Statement) @ LAL (White)

G4 - DEN (White - City) @ LAL (Gold)

G5

G6

G7

Per Locker Vision ...

(Just waiting for the rest of the schedule including the Lakers-Nuggets series.)

Eastern Conference Finals

G1 - MIA (Red) @ BOS (White)

G2 - MIA (Red) @ BOS (White)
G3 - BOS (Black) @ MIA (White)

G4 - BOS (Green) @ MIA (White)

G5

G6

G7

Western Conference Finals

G1

G2
G3

G4

G5

G6

G7

I hate this thread.

I hate that this is something we are talking about.

I wonder how many BINDING agreements one can have? Is this a record?

Hugo looks like he's lost a lot of weight. He doing okay?

14 hours ago, truepg said:

 

Not really correct, the Lakers wore their home uniforms on the road.

The sad reality is that's not even technically considered their "HOME" jersey since the gold jersey is considered their Icon Edition.

Thanks Nike.

9 minutes ago, PrimalCookie said:

Reasons this shouldn’t and won’t happen:

- A third team in Florida? Really?

- SeaWorld is a genuinely awful location for a stadium

- The state/county wouldn’t approve that much public money, nor should they

- Other cities have much stronger cases for a team

Reasons why this should happen:

- I would like it to (although preferably without the public money, and more importantly a better name)

This would only work if the Rays were the team that moved to Orlando.

49 minutes ago, DG_ThenNowForever said:

Isn't that where Carrot Top has residency?

Ginger Lives Matter

1 hour ago, upperV03 said:

I think it was a case of them starting with the Cavs font and making some small tweaks to the forms to at least attempt to differentiate them a bit. It’s not the Cavs font, but it’s certainly derived from it.

No ... the numbers originate from the 2013 change, but when the current set was introduced in 2017 the numbers were un-italicized. They're similar in the sense they're sad attempts at modernization, but they're not similar in any regard past that.

4 hours ago, BBTV said:

The Suns can't seem to get out of their own way with their uniforms.  The pre-Barkley set and Barkley set were fantastic.  But since then, it's been a complete disaster of gray, silly-trendy (but not trendy) fonts, quarter-steps towards the Barkley set but afraid to commit, and (already mentioned, but worth repeating) silly-ass fonts.

 

While that supposed leak is barely a half-step towards the Barkley era, it would be acceptable and an upgrade if they didn't insist on going with the ugliest numbers that they can possibly find (making them straight instead of following the angle is also a choice.)

 

I just don't get it.  Purple and orange is such a great pallete - but it's as if they go out of their way to use it as poorly as possible.

 

I rarely say "just go back to", as I think it's generally the worst approach to correcting, but this is a case where I'd absolutely recommend it, because they've proven that they can't be trusted with making original designs.  I understand there's silly restrictions against "going back", but even if they went with something that made them look like the Great Value Barkleys, that would probably be better than what they could do from scratch.

Yeah, I am the same way. The '92-00 look still translate well into today's NBA. 

Much more than even this ...

40 minutes ago, Ferdinand Cesarano said:

 

There's no return to Oakland under this ownership.

True. But, I don't see MLB returning to Oakland, especially if nothing is going to happen with a stadium. 

It'd be interesting to see what happens IF the A's deal in Vegas falls through. There's no return to Oakland. And, like posters mentioned above Nashville doesn't seem like a viable option, not just because of the Nashville Stars group, but realignment issues. So, it really limits locations in the West. Which leaves Portland and SLC. And, I won't lie, I hope it's SLC. I'm a Utahn. I've wanted the major leagues here. And, I love the A's. I'd be a fan on day one.

Biases aside I also think SLC provides an easier move than to Portland, especially with being stadium ready even if they need to play in Smith's Ballpark for a couple years. It has the capacity and ability to add more if needed. Much better than in Summerlin.

But, I wonder what that does for Vegas' future status for expansion. Does it sour the whole market? Nevada politicians? I feel like it could. So does MLB expand to Portland? It'll be interesting to see what happens. But, I just have this nagging feeling that the A's deal in Vegas is going to fall through. Especially when you consider Mark Davis' feelings on the A's ownership group. There's no love loss.

28 minutes ago, eRay said:

As long as we're all sharing our Nuggets wishlists:

I loved their statement uniform from a couple years ago, before it was changed to a Harlem Globe Trotters jersey.

I'd simplify the color scheme a bit and remove the circular lettering setup then build a set around it.  Add some topographic lines into the navy part on the shorts if it feels boring, or make them more mountain-like. Done.

I need to see these side by side ... I didn't even realize they changed them. Huh.

And, yeah, the older versions are better. The red on the shorts is too gaudy and the red outline on the gold print is too much. 

Dumb change.

9 hours ago, MCM0313 said:

There needs to be a limit on how many times a team can wear its alternate uniforms in the playoffs. Icon and Association are the “regular” ones, right? No more than once per series or three times overall, whichever is less, for each of the other two. I actually looked at the set matchups at the start of the first round, and over half the games (at least in games 1-4) were a team in white against a team in black. We need more color!

I agree. City and Classic Editions shouldn't be used. Stick to the Association, Icon and Statement Editions. Road teams should never wear their Association jerseys on the road. If a team wears color at home ... color vs. color should be the rule. 

7 minutes ago, CardsFan79 said:

https://youtu.be/3PCxR4rzoTU

They got me on the first part and then lost me completely at the end.