Nick 1733 Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 Alright, here's what I came up with and will submit to the franchise for a logo, which contacted me. This is my FIRST concept that was requested by a pro team.C & C as always. MLB, NBA, NFL & NHL Font Packs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 Is this for Allentown PA? If so, there may be some adversion to having guns in a logo (unless they gave that to you as a req.)Other than the guns, the first thing I noticed was the mixing of fonts. Does "Allentown" need to be in a different font than "Outlawz"? "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick 1733 Posted January 27, 2005 Author Share Posted January 27, 2005 yea, for Allentown, PA and they requested the two guns crossed.Doesn't have to be, I just chose to do it that way. MLB, NBA, NFL & NHL Font Packs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapshot Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 The two fonts are similar enough for the difference to be a little annoying. Use the top version for the whole wordmark...it's straight edges give it a rougher feel, which might work better for "Outlawz".Incorporate some gold into the wordmark, maybe around "Allentown", to tie it in better with the logo.Lighten up the watermark. It's creating its own shading onto the main logo. Back-to-Back Fatal Forty Champion 2015 & 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Buffalo Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 Drop the "Z" and add an "S". To me that is one of the worst trends in Sports Names. Was it started because people thought a ZZZZZ sound at the end is tougher than an SSSS sound?Other than that, the logo itself isn't bad. Crossed Weapons has been done so much before, but at least it's not another "bandit" with a handkerchief over his mouth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick 1733 Posted January 27, 2005 Author Share Posted January 27, 2005 Okay here, I've fixed the wordmark and watermark.FYI, This is what they guy requested, his idea for the 'Z' and the crossed guns. MLB, NBA, NFL & NHL Font Packs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Buffalo Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 For what the customer gave you to work with then... I say good job.I would like to see the wordmark using the font from the first "Outlaws" I think it's better than the one from "Allentown" that you used to make them uniform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian in Boston Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 The Gold of the trigger should be obscured by the Silver of the trigger-guard. Beyond that, I'd talk to the team about going in another direction with their identity. The Outlaws name, with a pair of crossed revolvers for a logo, is about as generic an identity package as you can come up with... and has absolutely no relevance to Allentown. I'd suggest:Allentown Ironmen, Allentown Vulcans or Allentown Forge... all of which reference Allentown's emergence as a center of iron production during the American Industrial Revolution.Allentown Truckers, Allentown Wheels or Allentown Bulldogs... all of which allude to the city being the site of Mack Trucks' headquarters.Allentown Justice... which pays homage to the city's founder, William Allen. Allen served as Chief Justice of colonial Pennsylvania's Supreme Court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Buffalo Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 BinB, They would probably decide to go with Justice and then still use crossed guns for a logo...... What about something like the old Tampa Bay Bandits of the USFL.... a masked rider on a horse maybe with a bag of money in his hand for an Outlawz logo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian in Boston Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 Unfortunately, when I think of Allentown, Pennsylvania, it doesn't conjure up visions of "Wild West" outlaws and bandits in my head. The identity was a poor choice on the part of the team's owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ltravisjr Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 Definitely use the original font you had for "Outlawz" as the font for both words. The curves in the that font (i.e. the "O" and "U") are more harmonious with the curves on the handle and trigger area of the guns.LT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEye Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 I'd like to see a more stylized set of guns. You reproduced these with good accuracy but the lines are thin in areas. You can get too detailed with items like this which makes you focus too much on nuances and not the logo as a whole.Make them more bold in line and maybe simplify the detail a hair. You will need this logo to translate onto helmet sticker so bolder is easier to reproduce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannymits Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 Unfortunately, when I think of Allentown, Pennsylvania, it doesn't conjure up visions of "Wild West" outlaws and bandits in my head. The identity was a poor choice on the part of the team's owners.When I think of Allentown, PA, I think of Billy Joel......and then I think about how his song about Allentown is really about Bethlehem, PA.The city had an independent league baseball team, the Allentown Ambassadors, which was equally fitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schwep76 Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 I live in Allentown, and I hadn't heard anything about us getting a minor league-type football team....that'd be cool if we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac the Knife Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 Personally, I think if they're going to "go gansta" by using a "Z" as part of what should be "Outlaws," then why not do a gansta version of it? Instead of using faux Colt .45 pistols, make 'em Glock 9's or Ruger .45's or something.If it doesn't show them the error of their ways in using "Outlawz," at least it'd be a completely fresh approach - I've never seen any team in any sport use such a look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee. Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 Any way to make those crossed guns look like an "A"? You know, a cross piece between them? Welcome to DrunjFlix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomo32 Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 I live in Allentown also and haven't heard anything. Where would the team play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_cynic Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 Is there any way you could bring the wordmark up and lay over the handles of the guns? I think it would look much better that way. And what's up with the "Z" on the end. I'm starting to think that Allentown is in Utah. Utah Jazz Retired Number's#1 - Frank Layden - #7 Pete Maravich - #12 John Stockton - #14 Jeff Hornacek - #35 Darrell Griffith - #53 Mark EatonRetired Number's To Come#00 The Bear (Best Mascot In NBA) - #4 Adrian Dantley - #32 Karl "The Mailman" Malone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillyPlayer Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 Hello all ... my name is Felix Gutierrez and I am the Director of Marketing and Media Relations for the "Lehigh Valley Outlawz" ... I had asked several individuals to come up with a identy package for the new team which by the way will be playing at the Stabler Arena located on Lehigh University complex ... not sure if we will begin play this year or next ... but it will be a PRO arena team ... as I was saying I have gotten several sketches ranging from the crossed pistol to the bandit with the hanky ... all quality work ( I wish i could pay for all of the designs ) .. i would have to agree with Brian in Boston .. i dont like the name and wish I had a logo package that just was so good (great) that the owners would change the name and not give me any grief ... I am accepting new ideas and old (referring to the Outlawz logo) and we are not Allentown but Lehigh Valley ... we will pay up to $500.00 US and a mercahndise package as well as a link on our site ... I can be reach directly at accessdev_2000@yahoo.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beantown77 Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 Hello all ... my name is Felix Gutierrez and I am the Director of Marketing and Media Relations for the "Lehigh Valley Outlawz" ... I had asked several individuals to come up with a identy package for the new team which by the way will be playing at the Stabler Arena located on Lehigh University complex ... not sure if we will begin play this year or next ... but it will be a PRO arena team ... as I was saying I have gotten several sketches ranging from the crossed pistol to the bandit with the hanky ... all quality work ( I wish i could pay for all of the designs ) .. i would have to agree with Brian in Boston .. i dont like the name and wish I had a logo package that just was so good (great) that the owners would change the name and not give me any grief ... I am accepting new ideas and old (referring to the Outlawz logo) and we are not Allentown but Lehigh Valley ... we will pay up to $500.00 US and a mercahndise package as well as a link on our site ... I can be reach directly at accessdev_2000@yahoo.com Well for starters, don't call yourselves the Mountain Hawks!I'm willing to bet that trademark infringement prevents you from using Bethlehem Steel as a name. Personally, I'd think that's much better than Outlawz (or outlaws, or in-laws for that matter). That being said, I like the name Lehigh Valley Steel. It plays off the history of "the Steel".- Beantown77, Lehigh '98 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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