Brewers expanding Retro Friday uniforms

[Guest]

Yeah, I bet a lot of people would replace their current stuff with ball-in-glove stuff eventually. But yeah, the Germanic gear might as well have never existed at all. Fans probably wish the Sal Bando years never existed, too.

[Gothamite]

True enough.

Bud wouldn't have let him run the franchise into the ground.

[Sodboy13]

Funny you mention to late 90s gear. Looking around in Wisconsin, it seems like the ball-in-glove/Milwaukee script/80s Brewers stuff is far and away the most popular. The current stuff is a distant second. The designer-hailed "Germanic" stuff of the '90s is barely even on the radar.

Well, if you were a Brewers fan, would you want to wear merchandise that's associated with the glory years of Jaime Navarro, Ricky Bones, and Hideo Nomo? Those were great uniforms that were worn by an absolute crapbucket of a team.

[Guest]

I think a lot of people are surprised to find out that the Brewers were a year-in-year-out frontrunner for Organization of the Year while under Bud Selig's watch. I know I was.

I don't think the 90s stuff was all that great. For all the "it represents Milwaukee!" love, I found the main logo to be painfully bland, and the three low-contrast colors tended to blend together into a dull morass.

[STL FANATIC]

Well, statistically speaking somebody's got to prefer the new stuff. Gods know the rest of us Brewer fans don't.

Wow, I wonder what the Yankees are going to do for their throwback fleeces.

Looks more like a fashion variant than a throwback. The Yankees' Cooperstown Collection stuff tends to have the 1930s version of their cap logo:

I feel bad for whatever person gets fooled and shells out the money on that obvious fake. That's not their real logo.

The Yankees have never changed anything in the history of ever, duh.

[DrBear]

As for UWGB ... they have played at the Brown County Arena ever since they started a varsity team. The on-campus Phoenix Sports Center wasn't built until a few years later. The Phoenix played a few games there, mostly exhibition openers, but that was only on an occasional basis. (If you've ever seen the PSC, the place is a substandard high school gym. It'll be added to with the new events center with a capacity of 4,000, but the men will continue in the Resch Center.)

The team gradually moved up from NAIA to D2 to D1. Really, D-2 isn't that much of an option now - the only nearby D2 schools are UW-Parkside and Michigan Tech. And frankly, UWGB hasn't drawn as well in the Resch Center in part because when they moved in, they changed a lot of the season ticket assignments to less-desirable seats and didn't get risers for behind the baskets. Lousy seating arrangements, meaning the number of good seats was well below the old arena, where 90 percent of the seats were along the sidelines.

There was some talk of an on-campus arena, but only from UWGB and only for a short while. The main problem was trying to get the money from the state, while the city and county had the better source of revenue (1/2 percent tourism tax) to draw on. What really tipped it was that UWGB could not play any postseasom NIT games at Green Bay because boat/home shows took over the arena. Notably, there was no talk of a downtown arena (which would have improved a DEAD central city) because everybody wanted the parking at Lambeau Field to be used. (Despite that, there's a lot of free parking on side streets, which pisses off the locals.)

True enough.

Bud wouldn't have let him run the franchise into the ground. cursing.gif

You broke my sarcasm detector.

[Gothamite]

I feel bad for whatever person gets fooled and shells out the money on that obvious fake. That's not their real logo.

The Yankees have never changed anything in the history of ever, duh.

Well....

Bud wouldn't have let him run the franchise into the ground. cursing.gif

You broke my sarcasm detector.

Oh, my friend, you are so wrong. Bud fired Harry Dalton, the GM who created a pennant-winning club, after just a few bad seasons. He had a long history of firing general managers who weren't producing. You'd think that the guy running a miserable second-year expansion club, a club picked up and moved the week before spring training, would get some slack. But not from Bud.

Bud had a famously short leash for managers, as well. Even managers that the team should probably have kept. How many times did he fire Bamberger? Kuenn? Lachemann got a single year. He had Harry Dalton fire Buck Rodgers in the middle of his second season, and then fired Harvey Kuenn after a year and a half, for crying out loud. In Harvey's first half-season he got them to the series, in his second he finished 87-75, and Bud still showed him the door.

He never would have given Bando and Garner nearly a decade of miserable years. No way. His track record speaks for itself.

[Guest]

Wow. Small-town Steinbrenner. How did he go from a trigger-happy owner dedicated to giving Milwaukee quality baseball to the dottering old fool we know him as now? (Though I don't dislike Selig's run nearly as much as a lot of people do.) Maybe he's just been in way over his head.

[Sec19Row53]

Wow. Small-town Steinbrenner. How did he go from a trigger-happy owner dedicated to giving Milwaukee quality baseball to the dottering old fool we know him as now? (Though I don't dislike Selig's run nearly as much as a lot of people do.) Maybe he's just been in way over his head.

I think he sincerely believes that he knows what's best for baseball, and that he's trying to run the Commisioner's Office in that manner. Keep in mind, however, that he still has to answer to the owners, which makes that job impossible (you can't run things in the best interests of baseball when the owners can fire you at will).

[FiddySicks]

Whether you think MGD is good or bad doesn't really matter, that's your opinion. There are a lot of people in "there right mind" that think beers with less full body taste are also great for drinking. I do agree with you that there are plenty of "flavorful beers" out here...my point is the range of flavors is vast...or can't you understand that? Beers don't have too be like everything these days...extreme and to the max. Enjoy it for what it. And "High School" to me tastes like your comments on beers. Closed minded judgmental.

Miller Lite captured a gold medal in the 2006 Brewers Association World Beer Cup.

Fu*k beer. Beam gets the job done way quicker.

[Gothamite]

Wow. Small-town Steinbrenner. How did he go from a trigger-happy owner dedicated to giving Milwaukee quality baseball to the dottering old fool we know him as now? (Though I don't dislike Selig's run nearly as much as a lot of people do.) Maybe he's just been in way over his head.

I think he sincerely believes that he knows what's best for baseball, and that he's trying to run the Commisioner's Office in that manner. Keep in mind, however, that he still has to answer to the owners, which makes that job impossible (you can't run things in the best interests of baseball when the owners can fire you at will).

I would agree with that.

I'd also say that Bud has done some great things for the game. I was vehemently opposed to the Wild Card, but am willing to say now that I was completely, 100%, absolutely wrong about it. He was right - it has added new life to the last few weeks of the season and made pennant races much more interesting.

I also thought that Interleague Play would diminish the importance of the World Series, but was wrong about that as well. Didn't happen at all.

I think part of Bud's problem is that he's not an attractive guy, and he's not terribly articulate. He also floats some ideas publicly - like radical realignment - that will never pass and should never pass and I don't think he ever actually intended to enact. I think he likes to use trial balloons to shape the debate, and that to my mind makes him look weak.

I happen to believe that 10 years after he retires, he will have a much better reputation than he does now. But only time will tell.

Fu*k beer. Beam gets the job done way quicker.

There are times when the object is not to get to the finish line as quickly as possible. As true as it is in love, so it is for drinking.

[Gothamite]

Given that they're wearing the retro gear on the cover of the media guide, I agree with you that this is all part of Attanasio's plan to make sure the fans want the ball in glove logo to return. I'm thinking he'll begin the process this year, which should mean we see it full time in 2009(?).

Is that the 2007 media guide, or the 2006 media guide?

[Guest]

Wow. Small-town Steinbrenner. How did he go from a trigger-happy owner dedicated to giving Milwaukee quality baseball to the dottering old fool we know him as now? (Though I don't dislike Selig's run nearly as much as a lot of people do.) Maybe he's just been in way over his head.

I think he sincerely believes that he knows what's best for baseball, and that he's trying to run the Commisioner's Office in that manner. Keep in mind, however, that he still has to answer to the owners, which makes that job impossible (you can't run things in the best interests of baseball when the owners can fire you at will).

I would agree with that.

I'd also say that Bud has done some great things for the game. I was vehemently opposed to the Wild Card, but am willing to say now that I was completely, 100%, absolutely wrong about it. He was right - it has added new life to the last few weeks of the season and made pennant races much more interesting.

I also thought that Interleague Play would diminish the importance of the World Series, but was wrong about that as well. Didn't happen at all.

I think part of Bud's problem is that he's not an attractive guy, and he's not terribly articulate. He also floats some ideas publicly - like radical realignment - that will never pass and should never pass and I don't think he ever actually intended to enact. I think he likes to use trial balloons to shape the debate, and that to my mind makes him look weak.

I happen to believe that 10 years after he retires, he will have a much better reputation than he does now. But only time will tell.

I think the wild card, ballpark renaissance, interleague, and the rise of baseball's popularity after 1994 were great achievements that should go down as Selig's legacy. I'm happy for all of that.

[Sec19Row53]

Given that they're wearing the retro gear on the cover of the media guide, I agree with you that this is all part of Attanasio's plan to make sure the fans want the ball in glove logo to return. I'm thinking he'll begin the process this year, which should mean we see it full time in 2009(?).

Is that the 2007 media guide, or the 2006 media guide?

2007, according to what I heard on the radio yesterday.

[Gothamite]

Hmm. They were on the 2006 media guide, that I remember. Made sense to me, since the throwbacks were new.

If they're on the 2007 guide, that very may well be an indication of how the club views its identity (and perhaps Attanasio, if the tone comes from the top).

[FiddySicks]

Wow. Small-town Steinbrenner. How did he go from a trigger-happy owner dedicated to giving Milwaukee quality baseball to the dottering old fool we know him as now? (Though I don't dislike Selig's run nearly as much as a lot of people do.) Maybe he's just been in way over his head.

I think he sincerely believes that he knows what's best for baseball, and that he's trying to run the Commisioner's Office in that manner. Keep in mind, however, that he still has to answer to the owners, which makes that job impossible (you can't run things in the best interests of baseball when the owners can fire you at will).

I would agree with that.

I'd also say that Bud has done some great things for the game. I was vehemently opposed to the Wild Card, but am willing to say now that I was completely, 100%, absolutely wrong about it. He was right - it has added new life to the last few weeks of the season and made pennant races much more interesting.

I also thought that Interleague Play would diminish the importance of the World Series, but was wrong about that as well. Didn't happen at all.

I think part of Bud's problem is that he's not an attractive guy, and he's not terribly articulate. He also floats some ideas publicly - like radical realignment - that will never pass and should never pass and I don't think he ever actually intended to enact. I think he likes to use trial balloons to shape the debate, and that to my mind makes him look weak.

I happen to believe that 10 years after he retires, he will have a much better reputation than he does now. But only time will tell.

Fu*k beer. Beam gets the job done way quicker.

There are times when the object is not to get to the finish line as quickly as possible. As true as it is in love, so it is for drinking.

Pound it down and toss it in the dumpster outside yor apartment when your finished?

[Bucks6thMan]

Wow. Small-town Steinbrenner. How did he go from a trigger-happy owner dedicated to giving Milwaukee quality baseball to the dottering old fool we know him as now? (Though I don't dislike Selig's run nearly as much as a lot of people do.) Maybe he's just been in way over his head.

I'm gonna be uncharacteristically non-cynical and assume you meant to say "Small-market Sieinbrenner"

[Guest]

Wow. Small-town Steinbrenner. How did he go from a trigger-happy owner dedicated to giving Milwaukee quality baseball to the dottering old fool we know him as now? (Though I don't dislike Selig's run nearly as much as a lot of people do.) Maybe he's just been in way over his head.

I'm gonna be uncharacteristically non-cynical and assume you meant to say "Small-market Sieinbrenner"

Milwaukee is considerably smaller than New York. I know it is not a small town. I just liked the way it sounded. Man, you are defensive about Milwaukee.

[Sec19Row53]

Given that they're wearing the retro gear on the cover of the media guide, I agree with you that this is all part of Attanasio's plan to make sure the fans want the ball in glove logo to return. I'm thinking he'll begin the process this year, which should mean we see it full time in 2009(?).

Is that the 2007 media guide, or the 2006 media guide?

Since I finally got my copy on Opening Day:

and just for fun, also from the 2007 Guide:

[Discrim]

heh, I know one thing, round here time warner runs ads using Brewer players. last year it was Jeff Cirillo, and the first few had him in the BP jersey, but the last one, he wore the throwbacks. this year they been runnin a couple with Bill Hall and Geoff Jenkins wearing (what else) the throwbacks. Heh, if you around these parts, you've probably seen em.

heh, all signs point to the permanent return of the ball and glove.