the_cynic Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 People can whine about who got the #1 seeds and who didn't but possibly the most upsetting thing in this years selection is that #22 nationally ranked Utah State Aggies (25-3) didn't make this years tourney. All of this because they didn't win their conference championship. It's like the NCAA is saying that they don't respect anyone seriously in the Big West conference because only the conference winner gets to go. So no matter what happens, only one team from that conference can ever go! This is the most absurd thing I've heard in a long time. Something seriously needs to be changed with all the NCAA selections!ESPN ArticleDeseret News ArticleSalt Lake Tribune Article Utah Jazz Retired Number's#1 - Frank Layden - #7 Pete Maravich - #12 John Stockton - #14 Jeff Hornacek - #35 Darrell Griffith - #53 Mark EatonRetired Number's To Come#00 The Bear (Best Mascot In NBA) - #4 Adrian Dantley - #32 Karl "The Mailman" Malone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vicfurth Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 I guess corporate NCAA stupidity isn't just confined to football anymore. What if they were ranked in the top 15, or the top 10? *shaking head* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notch Novelty Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 No, it's not. Maybe they should of gotten in but they really didn't deserve to get in not winning their tourney. Pacific was 17-1 as well. Only 3 teams were over .500 overall in the Big West......You're trying to tell me the WAC only should get one team when half their conference is over .500 They lost to Utah. UTEP deserved it more than Utah St. Richmond went out and actually played teams on the road, Utah St didn't and that is why they rewarded Richmond not Utah StThe NCAA Selection Committee made the right choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapshot Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 Similar thing happened to Boston University. BU was the best team all season in the America East (20+ wins, I think). The league tournament was even hosted by BU. But BU lost in the opening round of it tournament to Stony Brook. Vermont ended up winning the league championship, and the NCAA bid (#15 Phoenix/West). BU is one of the top 65 teams in the country, but for the same reason Utah State isn't in the bracket, neither is BU.Hello, NIT (non-invited tournament) Back-to-Back Fatal Forty Champion 2015 & 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJTank Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 I agree Utah State got screwedRichmond did not deserve to go they are from a medicore confrence. No way the A-10 should have gotten 4 teams. www.sportsecyclopedia.com For the best in sports history go to the Sports E-Cyclopedia at http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notch Novelty Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 Richmond went on the road!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Point is Utah States record means 17-1 is the same as Pacific's 17-1 record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJTank Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 Well I like seeing smaller confernce get their shot and Utah States record was quite impressive. They didnt make many mistakes this year and overall the selction comitte did a great job this year but every year there is at least 1 team who should be there and 1 who shouldn't. www.sportsecyclopedia.com For the best in sports history go to the Sports E-Cyclopedia at http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_cynic Posted March 15, 2004 Author Share Posted March 15, 2004 No, it's not. Maybe they should of gotten in but they really didn't deserve to get in not winning their tourney. Pacific was 17-1 as well. Only 3 teams were over .500 overall in the Big West......You're trying to tell me the WAC only should get one team when half their conference is over .500 They lost to Utah. UTEP deserved it more than Utah St. Richmond went out and actually played teams on the road, Utah St didn't and that is why they rewarded Richmond not Utah StThe NCAA Selection Committee made the right choice You're kind of missing the point! Utah State was nationally ranked, Richmond wasn't! Utah Jazz Retired Number's#1 - Frank Layden - #7 Pete Maravich - #12 John Stockton - #14 Jeff Hornacek - #35 Darrell Griffith - #53 Mark EatonRetired Number's To Come#00 The Bear (Best Mascot In NBA) - #4 Adrian Dantley - #32 Karl "The Mailman" Malone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paynomind Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 I think the problem here is the automatic bid. Why does winning the West Northern American South East Division mean you are one of the best 64 teams in the country? The tourney should be the top 64 teams. Period.Guranteed bids from nobody conferences for nobody teams is what causes BS like the #15 team getting left out. If i was them, I'd be unholy pissed.When is the last time a #16 won a game? Never. Stop letting in patsies. NCFA Sunset Beach Tech - Octopi  ΓΔΒ!  Going to college gets you closer to the real world, kind of like climbing a tree gets you closer to the moon. "...a nice illustration of what you get when skill, talent, and precedent are deducted from 'creativity.' " - James Howard Kunstler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJTank Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 I like the automatic bid for each conference it gives teh little guys something to play for. Those small confernce make championship week and if one of them makes a run they will be legends forever.One of the days a 16 seed will win could be this year cough Liberty cough, and it will be a memorable event forever. www.sportsecyclopedia.com For the best in sports history go to the Sports E-Cyclopedia at http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_cynic Posted March 15, 2004 Author Share Posted March 15, 2004 But who's to say that the Big West won't have two of the top 20 or top 10 teams in college? Yes they're small conferences in small parts of the country but they still have really great teams. Utah State knocked off North Carolina in the first round a couple years ago. Weber State, another local Utah school knocked them off too! I'm not saying that the "whole" process is missed up but in cases like this, I think the process should be reviewed a little bit. Hell, Utah State didn't even get invited to the "Play-in" games. Utah Jazz Retired Number's#1 - Frank Layden - #7 Pete Maravich - #12 John Stockton - #14 Jeff Hornacek - #35 Darrell Griffith - #53 Mark EatonRetired Number's To Come#00 The Bear (Best Mascot In NBA) - #4 Adrian Dantley - #32 Karl "The Mailman" Malone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-kj Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 Liberty will not beat St. Joe's, you're on crack.Taking away the smaller confereces' bids is ridiculous.Utah State got jobbed, especially if they were already being recognized in the national polls.It's tough to leave Richmond out, since they played a strong schedule, fared well in their conference (which isn't as weak as y'all want to make it out to be), and did things like beat Kansas on the road. (Big 8+4 teams have enough problems winning in Lawrence, let alone so-called-cupcakes!) Buy some t-shirts and stuff at KJ Shop! KJ Branded | Behance portfolio  POTD 2013-08-22 On 7/14/2012 at 2:20 AM, tajmccall said: When it comes to style, ya'll really should listen to Kev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJTank Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 Hey I like to make bold predictions and since I think Bobby Knight is going to teh Sweet 16, I decided to go for the ultimate bold pick, if Im worng hey Ive been wrong before.As for teams in the tourney I think they shoudl add 3 teams to the mix, and have 4 16 vs 17 games like the 1 play in game they are having Tuesday. If they do this you get 3 other at large teams in the mix, and will be able to invite more mid majors like Utah State, while giving the real small teams a chance to actually win a game beofre meeting their makers aginst the top seed. www.sportsecyclopedia.com For the best in sports history go to the Sports E-Cyclopedia at http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucky Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 I think the problem here is the automatic bid. Why does winning the West Northern American South East Division mean you are one of the best 64 teams in the country? The tourney should be the top 64 teams. Period.Guranteed bids from nobody conferences for nobody teams is what causes BS like the #15 team getting left out. If i was them, I'd be unholy pissed.When is the last time a #16 won a game? Never. Stop letting in patsies. No offense, but you might be the only person in the world who thinks the 16 seeds are bad for college basketball. If you're not good enough to be one of the at-large teams selected, then you probably have just as much chance in the tournament as the #16 seeds. Instead of being unholy pissed about the "nobody teams", try winning a couple more games. Substitute Utah St, Georgia, Michigan etc. for the Valparaisos, Monmouths and Murray States of the world and you know what you have? The same exact final four (and probably elite 8) teams and a whole lot less excitement. Yeah do that. Â Do exactly THAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_cynic Posted March 15, 2004 Author Share Posted March 15, 2004 I think the problem here is the automatic bid. Why does winning the West Northern American South East Division mean you are one of the best 64 teams in the country? The tourney should be the top 64 teams. Period.Guranteed bids from nobody conferences for nobody teams is what causes BS like the #15 team getting left out. If i was them, I'd be unholy pissed.When is the last time a #16 won a game? Never. Stop letting in patsies. No offense, but you might be the only person in the world who thinks the 16 seeds are bad for college basketball. If you're not good enough to be one of the at-large teams selected, then you probably have just as much chance in the tournament as the #16 seeds. Instead of being unholy pissed about the "nobody teams", try winning a couple more games. Substitute Utah St, Georgia, Michigan etc. for the Valparaisos, Monmouths and Murray States of the world and you know what you have? The same exact final four (and probably elite 8) teams and a whole lot less excitement. Lies, lies, lies! It's called "Cinderella Teams" my friend. Nobody thought Utah would have gone to the Finals in '98. Although the big schools like Kentucky, North Carolina, & Duke are automatic favorites there are big surprises that happen. It might not be on a Final Four level every year but eveytime one of these schools shocks the country, their recruiting sky rockets. It's a know fact that most b-ball players would like to play for a "tournament team" than a "non-tournament team". Utah Jazz Retired Number's#1 - Frank Layden - #7 Pete Maravich - #12 John Stockton - #14 Jeff Hornacek - #35 Darrell Griffith - #53 Mark EatonRetired Number's To Come#00 The Bear (Best Mascot In NBA) - #4 Adrian Dantley - #32 Karl "The Mailman" Malone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-kj Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 Speaking of Utah, it seems ironic, at least in my mind, that Utah's win in the MWC tournament may have been what kept Utah State out. Buy some t-shirts and stuff at KJ Shop! KJ Branded | Behance portfolio  POTD 2013-08-22 On 7/14/2012 at 2:20 AM, tajmccall said: When it comes to style, ya'll really should listen to Kev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paynomind Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 I'm not unholy pissed by any means. I'm fine with it as it is, but my point was, the 64 teams should be the BEST 64 teams, not Obscure Conference Winner with Deal to Get In No Matter What.If you substitute Utah St, Georgia, Michigan etc. for the Valparaisos, Monmouths and Murray States of the world what you get are BETTER teams in the mix, MORE chance for an upset, thereby MORE excitement. Will the Final Four be the same no matter what? maybe. But the best teams should be in the playoffs, no matter what league, no matter what format, no matter what sport.Lets take your arguement another direction; In the NHL playoffs, lets let in the Blackhawks and the Rangers. They may not be the best teams this year, but the Avs will probably win it all anyway, so who cares. ---RIDICULOUS. Let in the best teams, let them play.If you want in small eams, have them play Duke, Syracuse, etc, etc.. get ranked... otherwise, look forward to winning the Southern Mountain Plains Coast Conference Championship and be done with it. NCFA Sunset Beach Tech - Octopi  ΓΔΒ!  Going to college gets you closer to the real world, kind of like climbing a tree gets you closer to the moon. "...a nice illustration of what you get when skill, talent, and precedent are deducted from 'creativity.' " - James Howard Kunstler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkrdevil Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 Is it me or is college sports very flawed. You are these people you decide which teams are good and which teams are bad?? I think the human element should be takien out of the process in all ncaa sports. Just go by record and conference champioships.To me the idea of having polls and people who decides who the best teams are turns me off from the college game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJTank Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 Then whats the point in these small teams playing then they deserve some reward they are division 1 its a great story when they win, by you logic Gonzaga would never be invited either. www.sportsecyclopedia.com For the best in sports history go to the Sports E-Cyclopedia at http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_cynic Posted March 15, 2004 Author Share Posted March 15, 2004 Why not have like 5 different NCAA tournaments? You could handle it very much like high school sports.....5-A Divsion, 4-A Division, 3-A Division, 2-A Division, & 1-A Division. That way you would never have to worry about small schools not being able to win championships. Utah Jazz Retired Number's#1 - Frank Layden - #7 Pete Maravich - #12 John Stockton - #14 Jeff Hornacek - #35 Darrell Griffith - #53 Mark EatonRetired Number's To Come#00 The Bear (Best Mascot In NBA) - #4 Adrian Dantley - #32 Karl "The Mailman" Malone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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