BaltimoreFan Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 I know how it works. Okay, maybe its a stupid idea. All I'm saying is that a salary cap isn't going to happen, so there have to be alternatives. Restricting the Yankees and other big markets spending powers is one way to go. It's not fair for them to be able to sign at will. The year they missed the playoffs they assured that wouldn't happen again by buying the 4 top free agents on the market. Then there's talk that they may buy the top free agent pitcher this coming offseason. I don't see how any fan of the game can think that is okay. How can people sit there and say "good for the Yankees for taking advantage"? They've been put in a situation where they have unlimited resources. Any idiot can take advantage of that. I'm sorry, but that's just wrong.The Yankees are helped because they can spend at will, but they win because they're smarter than other teams. The Phillies are smarter than other teams. It takes much more than just throwing money around to field a championship team - just ask those clown in Queens. Or, better yet - look at the Cubs.The Yankees won the World Series by buying the top free agents available to them. Their pitching struggled, so they bought the 3 best pitchers available in the free agent market. They also purchased the top hitter because they needed a 1B. How is that being smarter than other teams? Every team in baseball would have done that if they were able to. The problem is that not many other teams can do that. There is nothing smart about what the Yankees do. The Yankees wouldn't have had nearly the same success if they were put in a smaller market and had to worry about their budget. I'll admit there are a lot dumb teams, including my Orioles. They're are also a lot of smart teams such as the Rays and Twins. But I can't say with a straight face that the Yankees are a smart team. Good for them for taking advantage of an extremely flawed system. But until they can prove to have success in a fair system where they are restricted like other teams, I can't say they are any smarter than any other team. Most teams would do the same thing if given unlimited resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattF Posted August 28, 2010 Share Posted August 28, 2010 No, the Yankees are not really smarter than the other teams. The truly smart teams in the MLB build through the draft, like the Rays. Lucking into unlimited resources and buying up all the top players on the free agent market every year is not smart, it's just not screwing up with all the money you have. The Mets have thrown money at great players too - the reason they aren't contenders anymore is because Omar Minaya is incompetent.Erm....doesn't your second statement totally disprove the first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted August 28, 2010 Share Posted August 28, 2010 No it doesn't. There's more to general managing than opening the checkbook. You can get big-ticket free agents and still come up well short in other aspects of organization-building. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sodboy13 Posted August 28, 2010 Share Posted August 28, 2010 So, because making tens of millions of dollars by barely fielding a baseball team that next to no one came to see just wasn't enough, Jeffrey Loria decided to set himself up for a little extra by skimming off the top through what appears to be the corporate equivalent of ghost payrolling. On 1/25/2013 at 1:53 PM, 'Atom said: For all the bird de lis haters I think the bird de lis isnt supposed to be a pelican and a fleur de lis I think its just a fleur de lis with a pelicans head. Thats what it looks like to me. Also the flair around the tip of the beak is just flair that fleur de lis have sometimes source I am from NOLA. PotD: 10/19/07, 08/25/08, 07/22/10, 08/13/10, 04/15/11, 05/19/11, 01/02/12, and 01/05/12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted August 28, 2010 Share Posted August 28, 2010 No, the Yankees are not really smarter than the other teams. The truly smart teams in the MLB build through the draft, like the Rays. Lucking into unlimited resources and buying up all the top players on the free agent market every year is not smart, it's just not screwing up with all the money you have. The Mets have thrown money at great players too - the reason they aren't contenders anymore is because Omar Minaya is incompetent.Well isn't not screwing up being pretty smart? If every team, even the ones with more modest payrolls just didn't screw up, they'd be in much better shape. The only difference is that the Yankees can afford to get out from underneath their screw ups when they do happen, where with some other teams, it can set them back years.Is it "fair"? Of course not... at least not by many definitions of "fair". But are the alternatives fair? In most cases, no. Like I said before, baseball teams make so much more of a percentage of their revenue from local streams than the other sports (or at least I believe that to be the case) so the whole revenue sharing debate has a lot more dynamics to it than it does in the NFL, where national TV is such a big deal, and merchandising and other aspects of the game are more centralized.Funny - some people bitch and complain about the democrats and their "socialism" and how they're destroying our country, yet they praise the NFL, which is essentially run by socialist or even communistic principles, and hate on MLB, which is capitalism at its finest. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaltimoreFan Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 Funny - some people bitch and complain about the democrats and their "socialism" and how they're destroying our country, yet they praise the NFL, which is essentially run by socialist or even communistic principles, and hate on MLB, which is capitalism at its finest.Interesting comparison, I was thinking about this earlier in the thread. I think the big difference is that fans see sports as wins before business. I have to think most owners do too. If you're buying a sports teams you've got to care somewhat about winning and the game more so than just making money (unless you're Loria I guess). Obviously you've got to make a profit in order to exist, but that can't be your sole reason for purchasing a team. There are much better business opportunities to get into, if you want to make money. For that reason, for the good of the game, I think you have to have a "socialist" approach to governing the game. Now my opinion of sports and life differ drastically. But I guess that's because I'd like to believe that sports are still just games, even though I now deep down it is a business (and always has been). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lights Out Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 Funny - some people bitch and complain about the democrats and their "socialism" and how they're destroying our country, yet they praise the NFL, which is essentially run by socialist or even communistic principles, and hate on MLB, which is capitalism at its finest.Well, socialism does work on a smaller scale in sports. Winning and fairness are the primary principles of all levels of sports, the pros included. Real life isn't fair, which is why socialism on a large, governmental scale never works, but that doesn't mean sports can't be. POTD: 2/4/12 3/4/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breakwood Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 Funny - some people bitch and complain about the democrats and their "socialism" and how they're destroying our country, yet they praise the NFL, which is essentially run by socialist or even communistic principles, and hate on MLB, which is capitalism at its finest.Chuck Klosterman said it best. The most conservative Americans love the most liberal sport; American Football. The most liberal Americans love the most conservative sport; Soccer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illwauk Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 Funny - some people bitch and complain about the democrats and their "socialism" and how they're destroying our country, yet they praise the NFL, which is essentially run by socialist or even communistic principles, and hate on MLB, which is capitalism at its finest.Well, socialism does work on a smaller scale in sports. Winning and fairness are the primary principles of all levels of sports, the pros included. Real life isn't fair, which is why socialism on a large, governmental scale never works, but that doesn't mean sports can't be.Because the combination of large government and capitalism works out oh-so-well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lights Out Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 You're right, capitalism works better with a small government, but socialism doesn't work well with any type of government. Regardless, this is not the political thread, so I'd rather not launch into a political debate here. POTD: 2/4/12 3/4/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illwauk Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 You're right, capitalism works better with a small government, but socialism doesn't work well with any type of government. Regardless, this is not the political thread, so I'd rather not launch into a political debate here.So the reason you responded to BBTV's post would be what then?But I've never understood how so many people can take for granted that capitalism... at least the free-market variety... isn't just as flawed as socialism. Capitalism is what's allowed Wall Street to grab our big, domineering government by the nads. I really don't see how having a smaller and (presumably) weaker government would make things any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lights Out Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 A smaller government would impose less regulations on the free market, which would then regulate itself. Companies would be free to act in unsavory ways but would risk losing a ton of business and going bankrupt by doing so. Capitalism would be more fair for the consumer as well because the government wouldn't have set prices for some items, meaning that smart businesses could compete by slashing prices. Innovation would be required because if a company doesn't innovate, they'd be replaced by another company that does. So yeah, capitalism would work a whole lot better without big government's tendrils wrapped around it. POTD: 2/4/12 3/4/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 J3sus, shut up. I was just making an observation not trying to solicit anyone's opinions about how govenment should be run. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illwauk Posted September 3, 2010 Share Posted September 3, 2010 A smaller government would impose less regulations on the free market, which would then regulate itself.Riiiiiiight... Seriously, I apologize to the rest of the community for engaging him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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