Alt History: Sports Related

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Taking the alt history ideas in the lounge, I have 3 what if questions to pose to the board:

1. In 1984, Oklahoma and Georgia won their lawsuit against the NCAA regarding television rights for football. What if the NCAA had won the case? Do OU and UGA fold and surrender or do they enlist other universities to make a hostile takeover of the NCAA?

2. In 1986, Bill Buckner had a grounder go through his legs, allowing the Mets to win the game and ultimately the World Series. What if Buckner was able to field that grounder?

3. In 1999, the NBA and it's players strike a last-second deal for a new CBA and end the months-long lockout. What if the players had said no to the proposal?

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2. In 1986, Bill Buckner had a grounder go through his legs, allowing the Mets to win the game and ultimately the World Series. What if Buckner was able to field that grounder?

The game would have continued. The game was already tied at the time of the grounder, so Buckner fielding it cleanly would have led to the third out (whether he takes it alone at first, or tosses it to a covering Bob Stanley).

Hard to say what would have happened in the 11th, Sox would have had Evans, Gedman and Henderson up, and all 3 could hit for power. Henderson had already homered in the 10th.

[WJMorris3]

2. In 1986, Bill Buckner had a grounder go through his legs, allowing the Mets to win the game and ultimately the World Series. What if Buckner was able to field that grounder?

The game would have continued. The game was already tied at the time of the grounder, so Buckner fielding it cleanly would have led to the third out (whether he takes it alone at first, or tosses it to a covering Bob Stanley).

Hard to say what would have happened in the 11th, Sox would have had Evans, Gedman and Henderson up, and all 3 could hit for power. Henderson had already homered in the 10th.

Wait a second. Mets still win Game 6. No way in hell Buckner gets there before Mookie Wilson. Knight scores from third, game over.

[DG_ThenNowForever]

3. In 1999, the NBA and it's players strike a last-second deal for a new CBA and end the months-long lockout. What if the players had said no to the proposal?

The NBA comes back with a different deal and the league cancels the entire 1999 season. It was a joke anyway, the only benefit being the highly enteraining Knicks of that season. Had the 1999 season been canceled, Tim Duncan would have one less ring and that's really about the only difference it would have made.

I think the general public was comprably apaethetic about the post-Jordan NBA as they are the NHL. Would a complete lockout have ruined the sport? If the NHL is still running, I have faith the NBA would too.

By the way, the Lakers would still win titles in 2000-2002. Nothing would have changed that.

[leopard88]

2. In 1986, Bill Buckner had a grounder go through his legs, allowing the Mets to win the game and ultimately the World Series. What if Buckner was able to field that grounder?

The game would have continued. The game was already tied at the time of the grounder, so Buckner fielding it cleanly would have led to the third out (whether he takes it alone at first, or tosses it to a covering Bob Stanley).

Hard to say what would have happened in the 11th, Sox would have had Evans, Gedman and Henderson up, and all 3 could hit for power. Henderson had already homered in the 10th.

Wait a second. Mets still win Game 6. No way in hell Buckner gets there before Mookie Wilson. Knight scores from third, game over.

Knight was on second. He would have been on third if Wilson reached on an infield hit.

[OnWis97]

Lots of Buckner blamers should play this game. They need to remember taht the Mets had come from behind to tie the game.

Anything could have happened, but the momentum was New York's. I think the Mets would have taken it.

Blame Buckner? No. Blame the Sox pen.

[leopard88]

There is no way to know for sure, but if I was a betting man I would guess that the Mets win Game 6 and the Series even if the Red Sox get out of the inning. I just think it would be very hard to bounce back from coughing up the lead with two outs in the 10th. This is purely a hunch, however.

[NJTank]

Heres how Game 6 would have ended if the Buckner fielded the ball.

Ill do it play by play style

A little roller up along the bag fielded by Buckner, Stanley better hurry Buckner's ankles are bad and he has no play Stanley was slow coving and the Mets hvae runners on 1st and 3rd it is all unraveling for the Red Sox.

Howard Johnson batting from his strong side the left hand side has a chance to be a hero again he struck out with 2 on nobody out last inning. Stanley almost uncorks another wild pitch ball one. Gedman goes out to calm Stanley down. Oh the drama the Red Sox 1 pitch from winning the World Series are now in danger of losing, Knight does not have mush speed at 3rd Mookie has loads of speed at first but his run does not matter, and Buckneer is playing off the bag almost daring Mookie to steal 2nd. Heres the 1-0 pitch Ball 2 and Mookei goe sand does not even draw a throw. Now what do you do do you wak HoJO and pitch to Lenny Dykstra on deck, Johnson has not hit well this postseason, but Dykstra has found his power stroke with 3 home runs.

McNammara comes out to discuss the strategy, and theey decided looks like they will pitch to Howard Johnson looking all the way strike 1. 2-1 now, the pitch from Stanley to Hojo fouled off

fouled off again.

2-2 2 outs the 2-2 low and out side its 3-2.

Dysktra on deck the 3-2 is high Ball 4 here comes Lenny Dykstra, who already has a big home run Flashback to Game 3 of the NLCS) Heres the pitch to Dyktra ripped down the line its a fair ball the Mets win the Ball Game 6-5 and there will be a 7th Game Lenny Dykstra the man whose name will now be in lights with the key hits he has gotten has sent the Mets to a 7th game, as the hobbled Bucker despite holding the line coudl not get to this one.

[HedleyLamarr]

1. In 1984, Oklahoma and Georgia won their lawsuit against the NCAA regarding television rights for football. What if the NCAA had won the case? Do OU and UGA fold and surrender or do they enlist other universities to make a hostile takeover of the NCAA?

With cable TV emerging, the NCAA likely would have increased the number of games teams could appear in on television. But if UGA and OU had lost, I think the big conferences would have gotten together and weaken the NCAA.

Here's one: What if MLB never had a strike in 1994? How would it have impacted today's game?

[HedleyLamarr]

Heres how Game 6 would have ended if the Buckner fielded the ball.

Ill do it play by play style

A little roller up along the bag fielded by Buckner, Stanley better hurry Buckner's ankles are bad and he has no play Stanley was slow coving and the Mets hvae runners on 1st and 3rd it is all unraveling for the Red Sox.

Howard Johnson batting from his strong side the left hand side has a chance to be a hero again he struck out with 2 on nobody out last inning. Stanley almost uncorks another wild pitch ball one. Gedman goes out to calm Stanley down. Oh the drama the Red Sox 1 pitch from winning the World Series are now in danger of losing, Knight does not have mush speed at 3rd Mookie has loads of speed at first but his run does not matter, and Buckneer is playing off the bag almost daring Mookie to steal 2nd. Heres the 1-0 pitch Ball 2 and Mookei goe sand does not even draw a throw. Now what do you do do you wak HoJO and pitch to Lenny Dykstra on deck, Johnson has not hit well this postseason, but Dykstra has found his power stroke with 3 home runs.

McNammara comes out to discuss the strategy, and theey decided looks like they will pitch to Howard Johnson looking all the way strike 1. 2-1 now, the pitch from Stanley to Hojo fouled off

fouled off again.

2-2 2 outs the 2-2 low and out side its 3-2.

Dysktra on deck the 3-2 is high Ball 4 here comes Lenny Dykstra, who already has a big home run Flashback to Game 3 of the NLCS) Heres the pitch to Dyktra ripped down the line its a fair ball the Mets win the Ball Game 6-5 and there will be a 7th Game Lenny Dykstra the man whose name will now be in lights with the key hits he has gotten has sent the Mets to a 7th game, as the hobbled Bucker despite holding the line coudl not get to this one.

What a shocker......the Mets fan predicts a Mets victory....

Even the predictable bottom of the inning, a 3-2 count, bases loaded situations...classic.

[Cyclopsis Joe]

1. In 1984, Oklahoma and Georgia won their lawsuit against the NCAA regarding television rights for football. What if the NCAA had won the case? Do OU and UGA fold and surrender or do they enlist other universities to make a hostile takeover of the NCAA?

With cable TV emerging, the NCAA likely would have increased the number of games teams could appear in on television. But if UGA and OU had lost, I think the big conferences would have gotten together and weaken the NCAA.

Here's one: What if MLB never had a strike in 1994? How would it have impacted today's game?

Atlanta's streak would be considerably shorter, and the momentum from the Expos maybe would've changed the '95 World Series and the Expos would probably still be in Montreal instead of Washington.

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1. In 1984, Oklahoma and Georgia won their lawsuit against the NCAA regarding television rights for football. What if the NCAA had won the case? Do OU and UGA fold and surrender or do they enlist other universities to make a hostile takeover of the NCAA?

With cable TV emerging, the NCAA likely would have increased the number of games teams could appear in on television. But if UGA and OU had lost, I think the big conferences would have gotten together and weaken the NCAA.

Interesting explanation Hed, but here is how I believed it would have played out:

The Universities of Georgia and Oklahoma, stung by losing to the NCAA at the SCOTUS, initiate talks with major money center banks like CitiCorp, J.P. Morgan and others to raise funds to attempt a hostile takeover of the NCAA. Figuring that the rebels have a chance to succeed, the College Football Association orders all of it's members to resign from the NCAA to contribute to the revolution efforts. Despite being loyalists to the NCAA during the court case, the Pac-10 and Big Ten join in too.

The battle really heats up in the fall of 1984 when the College Sports Alliance(new name of the CFA) launches a $4 billion dollar takeover of the NCAA. The NCAA refuses to acquiesce to the rebels, but the tide soon turns when of all things, the Ivy League resigns, en masse, from the NCAA and joins the CSA. In Feburary 1985 the deal closes, and with it the CSA rebels(whom by this time included all I-A football playing teams and some high-brow D-III liberal arts colleges) immediately expels any member that didn't belong to the CSA. Immediately thereafter the mass of now former NCAA members are welcomed to the NAIA and the orginaization enjoys a renaissance that continues to this day.

There will be more to this history....