CC97 Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 I've been trying to compile a history of NL franchises (including the 19th century clubs)... this is what I've come up with -- was hoping anyone could provide insight into any errors they spot.Thanks***********************************************************NATIONAL LEAGUE of PROFESSIONAL BASEBALL CLUBS 1876 - PRES***********************************************************=========================================ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS 1998-PRES==================================================================================ATLANTA BRAVES 1871-PRES=========================================Boston Red Stockings (NA) 1871-1875Boston Red Stockings 1876-1882Boston Beaneaters 1883-1906Boston Doves 1907-1910Boston Rustlers 1911-1911Boston Braves 1912-1935Boston Bees 1936-1940Boston Braves 1941-1952Milwaukee Braves 1953-1965Atlanta Braves 1966-Pres=========================================BALTIMORE ORIOLES 1882-1899=========================================Baltimore Orioles (AA) 1882-1891Baltimore Orioles 1892-1899=========================================BROOKLYN HARTFORDS 1874-1877=========================================Hartford Dark Blues (NA) 1874-1875Hartford Dark Blues 1876-1876Brooklyn Hartfords 1877-1877=========================================BUFFALO BISONS 1879-1885==================================================================================CHICAGO CUBS 1871-PRES=========================================Chicago White Stockings (NA) 1871-1875Chicago White Stockings 1876-1889Chicago Colts 1890-1897Chicago Orphans 1898-1901Chicago Cubs 1902-Pres=========================================CINCINNATI RED STOCKINGS 1876-1880==================================================================================CINCINNATI REDS 1882-PRES=========================================Cincinnati Red Stockings (AA) 1882-1889Cincinnati Reds 1890-1953Cincinnati Redlegs 1953-1958Cincinnati Reds 1959-Pres=========================================CLEVELAND BLUES 1879-1884==================================================================================CLEVELAND SPIDERS 1887-1899=========================================Cleveland Spiders (AA) 1887-1888Cleveland Spiders 1889-1899=========================================COLORADO ROCKIES 1993-PRES==================================================================================DETROIT WOLVERINES 1881-1888==================================================================================FLORIDA MARLINS 1993-PRES==================================================================================HOUSTON ASTROS 1962-PRES=========================================Houston Colt .45s 1962-1964Houston Astros 1965-Pres=========================================INDIANAPOLIS BLUES 1878-1878==================================================================================INDIANAPOLIS HOOSIERS 1887-1889==================================================================================KANSAS CITY COWBOYS 1886-1886==================================================================================LOS ANGELES DODGERS 1884-PRES=========================================Brooklyn Atlantics (AA) 1884-1884Brooklyn Grays (AA) 1885-1887Brooklyn Bridegrooms (AA) 1888-1889Brooklyn Bridegrooms 1890-1890Brooklyn Grooms 1891-1895Brooklyn Bridegrooms 1896-1898Brooklyn Superbas 1899-1910Brooklyn Trolley Dodgers 1911-1912Brooklyn Dodgers 1913-1913Brooklyn Robins 1914-1931Brooklyn Dodgers 1932-1957Los Angeles Dodgers 1958-Pres=========================================LOUISVILLE COLONELS 1882-1899=========================================Louisville Eclipse (AA) 1882-1884Louisville Colonels (AA) 1885-1891Louisville Colonels 1892-1899=========================================LOUISVILLE GRAYS 1876-1877==================================================================================MILWAUKEE BREWERS 1969-PRES=========================================Seattle Pilots (AL) 1969-1969Milwaukee Brewers (AL) 1970-1997Milwaukee Brewers 1998-Pres=========================================MILWAUKEE GRAYS 1878-1878==================================================================================NEW YORK METS 1962-PRES==================================================================================NEW YORK MUTUALS 1871-1876=========================================New York Mutuals (NA) 1871-1875New York Mutuals 1876-1876=========================================PHILADELPHIA ATHLETICS 1871-1876=========================================Philadelphia Athletics (NA) 1871-1875Philadelphia Athletics 1876-1876=========================================PHILADELPHIA PHILLES 1883-PRES==================================================================================PITTSBURGH PIRATES 1882-PRES=========================================Pittsburgh Alleghenies (AA) 1882-1886Pittsburgh Alleghenies 1887-1889Pittsburgh Innocents 1890-1890Pittsburgh Pirates 1891-Pres=========================================PROVIDENCE GRAYS 1878-1885==================================================================================ST. LOUIS BROWN STOCKINGS 1875-1877=========================================St. Louis Brown Stockings (NA) 1875-1875St. Louis Brown Stockings 1876-1877=========================================ST. LOUIS CARDINALS 1882-PRES=========================================St. Louis Browns (AA) 1882-1891St. Louis Browns 1892-1898St. Louis Perfectos 1899-1899St. Louis Cardinals 1900-Pres=========================================ST. LOUIS MAROONS 1884-1886=========================================St. Louis Maroons (UA) 1884-1884St. Louis Maroons 1885-1886=========================================SAN DIEGO PADRES 1969-PRES==================================================================================SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS 1883-PRES=========================================New York Giants 1883-1957San Francisco Giants 1958-Pres=========================================SYRACUSE STARS 1879-1879==================================================================================TROY TROJANS 1879-1882==================================================================================WASHINGTON NATIONALS 1886-1889==================================================================================WASHINGTON NATIONALS 1969-PRES=========================================Montreal Expos 1969-2004Washington Nationals 2005-Pres=========================================WASHINGTON SENATORS 1891-1899=========================================Washington Statesmen (AA) 1891-1891Washington Senators 1892-1899=========================================WORCESTER WORCESTERS 1880-1882=========================================Yay --- Chris Creamer Founder/Editor, SportsLogos.Net "The Mothership" • News • Facebook • X/Twitter • Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMMF Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 It might just be the editor in me but it seems like it would be cleaner if you put single years as single years. For example, instead of 1874-1874 just 1874. Baseball is nice in that the season isn't spread over two calendar years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopard88 Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 Three questions/comments --1. Not that I want to start the debate, but what about the Philadelphia Blue Jays?2. Were the Dodgers really known as the Brooklyn Robins for that long a period? I thought it was a much shorter timeframe (not that I have research to back that up, mind you).3. Were the Troy Trojans a different team than the Troy Haymakers? And if so, were the Haymakers an NL or AA team? Again, no research -- just asking/issue-spotting. Most Liked Content of the Day -- February 15, 2017, August 21, 2017, August 22, 2017 ///// Proud Winner of the CCSLC Post of the Day Award -- April 8, 2008 Originator of the Upside Down Sarcasm Smilie -- November 1, 2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 About the Giants, this is the accurate naming through time:New York Gothams (1883?85)New York Giants (1885?1957)San Francisco Giants (1958?present) It's great to be young and a Giant! - Larry Doyle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC97 Posted November 2, 2007 Author Share Posted November 2, 2007 It might just be the editor in me but it seems like it would be cleaner if you put single years as single years. For example, instead of 1874-1874 just 1874. Baseball is nice in that the season isn't spread over two calendar years.T'would be your opinion... fortunately for you this file wasn't created for OMMF Three questions/comments --1. Not that I want to start the debate, but what about the Philadelphia Blue Jays?2. Were the Dodgers really known as the Brooklyn Robins for that long a period? I thought it was a much shorter timeframe (not that I have research to back that up, mind you).3. Were the Troy Trojans a different team than the Troy Haymakers? And if so, were the Haymakers an NL or AA team? Again, no research -- just asking/issue-spotting.1. Unofficially -- After consulting newspaper articles from the time the Blue Jays name was announced it became very clear that they never officially changed their name from Phillies2. According to the Baseball Encyclopedia (but then again they also said the Philadelphia Blue Jays was official)3. No idea, they may have been... it'll give me something to look upAbout the Giants, this is the accurate naming through time:New York Gothams (1883?85)New York Giants (1885?1957)San Francisco Giants (1958?present)Thank you sir --- Chris Creamer Founder/Editor, SportsLogos.Net "The Mothership" • News • Facebook • X/Twitter • Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthStar74 Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 I have been doing some research on that... did have a Excel database with team name, year, record and etc... I have to wonder, since MLB dont even include ties as well.. so is it required to have ties included in the stats or just a informal thing? I'm curious as to that... plus the American League as well that I have done research too... one thing doe bug me, the Boston Red Sox history.. I know they started out as the Boston Americans but I could have swore I saw Pilgrams and Invaders and etc in the the history book but also in Wikipedia as well... so that the main beef I have with the Red Sox history that all.... the rest all good... Ice Hockey International Winnipeg Braves (Bobby Hull Division 18-3-0 1st place as of March 14, 2011)2010-11 O'Brien Trophy for Bobby Hull Division championship & Jack Riley Cup for top team in league regular season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthStar74 Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 Plus this...=========================================ST. LOUIS CARDINALS 1882-PRES=========================================St. Louis Browns (AA) 1882-1891St. Louis Browns 1892-1898St. Louis Perfectos 1899-1899St. Louis Cardinals 1900-PresI know that the St. Louis Cardinals started out as the St. Louis Brown Stockings in 1882 but was mentoined as St. Louis Browns later on in 1893 or so.. also it was mentoined that the Brown Stockings and Browns names have been swtiched around in the first few years of the team history... so hmm..Also this...=========================================PHILADELPHIA PHILLES 1883-PRES=========================================That is incorrect.. the Philadelphia Phillies started out as the Philadelphia Quakers in 1883 and changed to Phillies in 1890 so it would be like thisPhiladelphia Quakers 1883-1889Philadelphia Phillies 1890-presentAlso, this...=========================================PITTSBURGH PIRATES 1882-PRES=========================================Pittsburgh Alleghenies (AA) 1882-1886Pittsburgh Alleghenies 1887-1889Pittsburgh Innocents 1890-1890Pittsburgh Pirates 1891-PresChange the name Alleghenies to Allegheneys and ya have that.... Ice Hockey International Winnipeg Braves (Bobby Hull Division 18-3-0 1st place as of March 14, 2011)2010-11 O'Brien Trophy for Bobby Hull Division championship & Jack Riley Cup for top team in league regular season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 There was word that the Troy Haymakers (later Troy Trojans) were the same NY Gothams (later Giants).I don't think so. Troy was disbanded and some players from that team followed to play in NY.GO GIANTS!!! It always is the nicest sports nickname ever. It's great to be young and a Giant! - Larry Doyle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDR Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 There was word that the Troy Haymakers (later Troy Trojans) were the same NY Gothams (later Giants).I don't think so. Troy was disbanded and some players from that team followed to play in NY.GO GIANTS!!! It always is the nicest sports nickname ever.That picture of Papelbon in your sig looks like he's leve-banging the Invisible Woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 Ah, one question for NJTank or a Mets fan...When the Mets were conceived in the early '60s, there are some nicknames in dance aside of the Metropolitans... which were they? It's great to be young and a Giant! - Larry Doyle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flasah Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 =========================================CHICAGO CUBS 1871-PRES=========================================Chicago White Stockings (NA) 1871-1875Chicago White Stockings 1876-1889Chicago Colts 1890-1897Chicago Orphans 1898-1901Chicago Cubs 1902-PresThe White Stockings did not play in 1872 & 1873 due to the Great Chicago Fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 Yes, Flasah, but it didn't mean that the White Stockings ceased to exist.This thread is supposedly for correct or confirm the naming and periods of the NL teams. It's great to be young and a Giant! - Larry Doyle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjrbaseball Posted November 4, 2007 Share Posted November 4, 2007 Chris:I actually spent quite a bit of time doing this very same project myself a while back (not just for the NL or even baseball, but for all four major North American sports).This is a copy of the baseball section of my history list:[1] Boston Red Stockings (NA 1871~1875); Boston Red Caps (NL 1876~1882); Boston Beaneaters (NL 1883~1906); Boston Doves (NL 1907~1910); Boston Rustlers (NL 1911); Boston Braves (NL 1912~1935); Boston Bees (NL 1936~1940); Boston Braves (NL 1941~1952); Milwaukee Braves (NL 1953~1965); Atlanta Braves (NL 1966~ )[2] Chicago White Stockings (NA 1871~1875, NL 1876~1889); Chicago Colts (NL 1890~1897); Chicago Orphans (NL 1898~1901); Chicago Cubs (NL 1902~ )Cleveland Forest Citys (NA 1871~1872)Fort Wayne Kekiongas (NA 1871)New York Mutuals (NA 1871~1875, NL 1876)Philadelphia Athletics (NA 1871~1875, NL 1876)Rockford Forest Citys (NA 1871)Troy Haymakers (NA 1871~1872)Washington Olympics (NA 1871~1872)Baltimore Lord Baltimores (NA 1872~1874)Brooklyn Atlantics (NA 1872~1875)Brooklyn Eckfords (NA 1872)Middletown Mansfields (NA 1872)Washington Nationals (NA 1872~1873, 1875)Baltimore Marylands (NA 1873)Elizabeth Resolutes (NA 1873)Philadelphia Whites (NA 1873~1875)Hartford Dark Blues (NA 1874~1875, NL 1876~1877)Keokuk Westerns (NA 1875)New Haven Elm Citys (NA 1875)Philadelphia Centennials (NA 1875)St. Louis Brown Stockings (NA 1875, NL 1876~1877)St. Louis Red Stockings (NA 1875)Cincinnati Red Stockings (NL 1876~1877); Cincinnati Reds (NL 1878~1880)Louisville Grays (NL 1876~1877)Indianapolis Hoosiers (NL 1878)Milwaukee Cream Citys (NL 1878)Providence Grays (NL 1878~1885)Buffalo Bisons (NL 1879~1885)Cleveland Blues (NL 1879~1884)Syracuse Stars (NL 1879)Troy Trojans (NL 1879~1882)Worcester Ruby Legs (NL 1880~1882)Detroit Wolverines (NL 1881~1888)Baltimore Orioles (AA 1882~1891, NL 1892~1899)[3] Cincinnati Red Stockings (AA 1882~1889); Cincinnati Reds (NL 1890~1952); Cincinnati Redlegs (NL 1953~1958); Cincinnati Reds (NL 1958~ )Louisville Eclipse (AA 1882~1884); Louisville Colonels (AA 1885~1891, NL 1892~1899)Philadelphia Athletics (AA 1882~1890)[4] Pittsburgh Alleghenys (AA 1882~1886, NL 1887~1890); Pittsburgh Pirates (NL 1891~ )[5] St. Louis Brown Stockings (AA 1882); St. Louis Browns (AA 1883~1891, NL 1892~1898); St. Louis Perfectos (NL 1899); St. Louis Cardinals (NL 1900~ )Columbus Buckeyes (AA 1883~1884)[6] New York Gothams (NL 1883~1884); New York Giants (NL 1885~1957); San Francisco Giants (NL 1958~ )New York Metropolitans (AA 1883~1887)[7] Philadelphia Quakers (NL 1883~1889); Philadelphia Phillies (NL 1890~1943); Philadelphia Blue Jays (NL 1944~1945); Philadelphia Phillies (NL 1946~ )Altoona Mountain Citys (UA 1884)Baltimore Monumentals (UA 1884)Boston Reds (UA 1884)[8] Brooklyn Trolley Dodgers (AA 1884~1888); Brooklyn Bridegrooms (AA 1889, NL 1890~1898); Brooklyn Superbas (NL 1899~1910); Brooklyn Dodgers (NL 1911~1913); Brooklyn Robins (NL 1914~1931); Brooklyn Dodgers (NL 1932~1957); Los Angeles Dodgers (NL 1958~ )Chicago Browns (UA 1884); Pittsburgh Stogies (UA 1884)Cincinnati Outlaw Reds (UA 1884)Indianapolis Hoosiers (AA 1884)Kansas City Unions (UA 1884)Milwaukee Cream Citys (UA 1884)Philadelphia Keystones (UA 1884)Richmond Virginians (AA 1884)St. Louis Maroons (UA 1884, NL 1885~1886)St. Paul Saints (UA 1884)Toledo Blue Stockings (AA 1884)Washington Nationals (AA 1884)Washington Nationals (UA 1884)Wilmington Quicksteps (UA 1884)Kansas City Cowboys (NL 1886)Washington Statesmen (NL 1886~1889)Cleveland Blues (AA 1887~1888); Cleveland Spiders (NL 1889~1899)Indianapolis Hoosiers (NL 1887~1889)Kansas City Cowboys (AA 1888~1889)Columbus Buckeyes (AA 1889~1891)Boston Reds (PL 1890, AA 1891)Brooklyn Gladiators (AA 1890)Brooklyn Wonders (PL 1890)Buffalo Bisons (PL 1890)Chicago Pirates (PL 1890)Cleveland Infants (PL 1890)New York Giants (PL 1890)Philadelphia Quakers (PL 1890); Philadelphia Athletics (AA 1891)Pittsburgh Burghers (PL 1890)Rochester Broncos (AA 1890)Syracuse Stars (AA 1890)Toledo Maumees (AA 1890)Cincinnati Kellys (AA 1891)Milwaukee Brewers (AA 1891)Washington Senators (NL 1892~1899)[9] Baltimore Orioles (AL 1901~1902); New York Highlanders (AL 1903~1912); New York Yankees (AL 1913~ )[10] Boston Somersets (AL 1901~1902); Boston Pilgrims (AL 1903~1906); Boston Red Sox (AL 1907~ )[11] Chicago White Stockings (AL 1901~1903); Chicago White Sox (AL 1904~ )[12] Cleveland Blues (AL 1901~1904); Cleveland Naps (AL 1905~1914); Cleveland Indians (AL 1915~ )[13] Detroit Tigers (AL 1901~ )[14] Milwaukee Brewers (AL 1901); St. Louis Browns (AL 1902~1953); Baltimore Orioles (AL 1954~ )[15] Philadelphia Athletics (AL 1901~1954); Kansas City Athletics (AL 1955~1967); Oakland Athletics (AL 1968~ )[16] Washington Nationals (AL 1901~1956); Washington Senators (AL 1957~1960); Minnesota Twins (AL 1961~ )Baltimore Terrapins (FL 1914~1915)Brooklyn Tip-Tops (FL 1914~1915)Buffalo Buffeds (FL 1914); Buffalo Blues (FL 1915)Chicago Chi-Feds (FL 1914); Chicago Whales (FL 1915)Indianapolis Hoosiers (FL 1914); Newark Peppers (FL 1915)Kansas City Packers (FL 1914~1915)Pittsburgh Rebels (FL 1914~1915)St. Louis Terriers (FL 1914~1915)[17] Los Angeles Angels (AL 1961~1964); California Angels (AL 1965~1996); Anaheim Angels (AL 1997~2004); Los Angeles Angels (AL 2005~ )[18] Washington Senators (AL 1961~1971); Texas Rangers (AL 1972~ )[19] Houston Colt .45s (NL 1962~1964); Houston Astros (NL 1965~ )[20] New York Mets (NL 1962~ )[21] Kansas City Royals (AL 1969~ )[22] Montréal Expos (NL 1969~2004); Washington Nationals (NL 2005~ )[23] San Diego Padres (NL 1969~ )[24] Seattle Pilots (AL 1969); Milwaukee Brewers (AL 1970~1997, NL 1998~ )[25] Seattle Mariners (AL 1977~ )[26] Toronto Blue Jays (AL 1977~ )[27] Colorado Rockies (NL 1993~ )[28] Florida Marlins (NL 1993~ )[29] Arizona Diamondbacks (NL 1998~ )[30] Tampa Bay Devil Rays (AL 1998~ )I e-mailed you the whole thing that I completed in case you want it. 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