ninersdd Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Hell, a trip from Northern California can take like 9-10 hours to Vegas, so that's not exactly close either. On top of that they is pretty much one highway from the LA area to Vegas, and that can get pretty crowded, so is it really worth it to make the trek for one game, unless it's part of a longer vacation? Also, even taking in OITGDNHL, no way would they allow any slot machines/tables in an arena. BEAR DOWN ARIZONA!2013/14 Tanks Picks Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worcat Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Denver is not a reasonable driving distance from Las Vegas even by western standards, bar crowds don't help Nielsen ratings, and you can't rely on out-of-towners and gambling addicts.That was a lot of work to make a post that wasn't any good.EDIT: Oh also,As for Toronto, I strongly disagree with the idea of adding a second team. Not only can Toronto not field a successful team for the last 50 years, why award them with a second franchise?This isn't true, and I see you couldn't even deign to mention the Canadian city that's building an NHL-ready arena right now. It's obvious what you're really about. Take your Canada concern trolling to HFboards where you belong.That's all you have to say about what I posted, show you how much I was correct.Denver is only 11 Hours away. That is completely possible for fans to drive for a weekend getaway for a hockey game and time at Las Vegas. Can't rely on Out of Towners? Are you kidding me? Either way the tickets are purchased by the casinos. Whether the guests show up are their own choice. My point is every week there are going to be, as you put it "gambling addicts" showing up. Ask anyone who has gone to Vegas, if they get a free buffet, they go. If they get free hockey tickets, guess what, they will go. Unlike a buffet, they will spend money on merchandise, food and beverage. I'm not trolling by any means, just stating the facts. Canada could have a decent expansion franchise in Quebec but def not in Toronto. Bleeding Blue since 1986 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worcat Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Hell, a trip from Northern California can take like 9-10 hours to Vegas, so that's not exactly close either. On top of that they is pretty much one highway from the LA area to Vegas, and that can get pretty crowded, so is it really worth it to make the trek for one game, unless it's part of a longer vacation? Also, even taking in OITGDNHL, no way would they allow any slot machines/tables in an arena.It's 8 hours from Detroit to St. Louis and people make that drive all the time for the rivalry. I am comparing going from STL to DET for a weekend for one game to a possible trip to Las Vegas. lmao... people would gladly plan a vacation to Las Vegas for a weekend trip to see an NHL game, plus gambling and prolly a show or two. Just saying... I'm not from Vegas...I'm from STL, just saying, think about the revenue this could generate. Would you rather travel from Minnesota to see the Devils for a weekend or go to Vegas. Nuff Said.... Bleeding Blue since 1986 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Can't rely on Out of Towners? Are you kidding me? Either way the tickets are purchased by the casinos. Whether the guests show up are their own choice. My point is every week there are going to be, as you put it "gambling addicts" showing up. Ask anyone who has gone to Vegas, if they get a free buffet, they go. If they get free hockey tickets, guess what, they will go. If this is such a crackerjack business plan, why hasn't a league that hasn't shut down three times in 19 years done it? Would you rather travel from Minnesota to see the Devils for a weekend or go to Vegas. Nuff Said....Yes, I would rather go to New York City than a cultural wasteland. Nuff said. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worcat Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 I can't speak on behalf of the top 4 leagues obviously. I would imagine their lawyers have advised them in the past to stay away from Sin City due to the legalized gambling. I completely understand where you are coming from, but I would appreciate if you would see where I am coming from as a business point of view. In today's sports world, teams are run from advertisers, investors and sponsors. Vegas is everything about getting people to come, stay and have fun. Casinos don't want to give guests tickets to leave the gambling floor but they want to make the guest feel welcome and above anyone else. So why not offer them a party box tickets for four with their weekend rsvp. They may be gone a few hours at a hockey game but while they are gone, they will be drinking and having a great time feeling like a vip. when they get back to the casino, they will more than likely be highly intoxicated and throw around money like it's nothing. Solid business plan if you ask me... Bleeding Blue since 1986 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worcat Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 ... Bleeding Blue since 1986 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninersdd Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Hell, a trip from Northern California can take like 9-10 hours to Vegas, so that's not exactly close either. On top of that they is pretty much one highway from the LA area to Vegas, and that can get pretty crowded, so is it really worth it to make the trek for one game, unless it's part of a longer vacation? Also, even taking in OITGDNHL, no way would they allow any slot machines/tables in an arena.It's 8 hours from Detroit to St. Louis and people make that drive all the time for the rivalry. I am comparing going from STL to DET for a weekend for one game to a possible trip to Las Vegas. lmao... people would gladly plan a vacation to Las Vegas for a weekend trip to see an NHL game, plus gambling and prolly a show or two. Just saying... I'm not from Vegas...I'm from STL, just saying, think about the revenue this could generate. Would you rather travel from Minnesota to see the Devils for a weekend or go to Vegas. Nuff Said....It seems like the Wing fanbase is more widespread, so not all of them make the trek just from Detroit to STL. (Also isn't Detroit bleeding people anyway?) There is heavy competition for the entertainment dollar in Vegas, and especially with a sport not everyone is a fan of, the NHL there has the earmarks of the disaster. I kinda like Vegas, but it ain't happening. Maybe they can do a one off event at Caesars like in 1993, but that's the limit of what the league should be in the city. BEAR DOWN ARIZONA!2013/14 Tanks Picks Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worcat Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Can't rely on Out of Towners? Are you kidding me? Either way the tickets are purchased by the casinos. Whether the guests show up are their own choice. My point is every week there are going to be, as you put it "gambling addicts" showing up. Ask anyone who has gone to Vegas, if they get a free buffet, they go. If they get free hockey tickets, guess what, they will go.If this is such a crackerjack business plan, why hasn't a league that hasn't shut down three times in 19 years done it?Would you rather travel from Minnesota to see the Devils for a weekend or go to Vegas. Nuff Said....Yes, I would rather go to New York City than a cultural wasteland. Nuff said.Well I'd rather go to New York also, but you actually proved my point. Most people want to go to a place where they have multiple places to have fun. New York, LA, Vegas, Chicago etc. I gave you the option of Minn to NJ, yet you replied to New York. Yes, people want to go to NY. not NJ..... In today's economy, people want more bang for their buck. I for one would never plan a vacation weekend to see the Blues play in Ottawa. However, I would plan a vacation to see the Blues play in LA, NY, Boston, or....Las Vegas Bleeding Blue since 1986 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worcat Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Hell, a trip from Northern California can take like 9-10 hours to Vegas, so that's not exactly close either. On top of that they is pretty much one highway from the LA area to Vegas, and that can get pretty crowded, so is it really worth it to makethe trek for one game, unless it's part of a longer vacation? Also, even taking in OITGDNHL, no way would they allow any slot machines/tables in an arena.It's 8 hours from Detroit to St. Louis and people make that drive all the time for the rivalry. I am comparing going from STL to DET for a weekend for one game to a possible trip to Las Vegas. lmao... people would gladly plan a vacation to Las Vegas for a weekend trip to see an NHL game, plus gambling and prolly a show or two. Justsaying... I'm not from Vegas...I'm from STL, just saying, think about the revenue this could generate.Would you rather travel from Minnesota to see the Devils for a weekend or go to Vegas. Nuff Said....It seems like the Wing fanbase is more widespread, so not all of them make the trek just from Detroit to STL. (Also isn't Detroit bleeding people anyway?) There is heavy competition for the entertainment dollar in Vegas, and especially with a sport not everyone is a fan of, the NHL there has the earmarks of the disaster. I kinda like Vegas, but it ain't happening. Maybe they can do a one off event at Caesars like in 1993, but that's the limit of what the league should be in the city.Vegas is a town where things that normally aren't popular become the best show on earth. When you are in Vegas, people's wallets seem to just open up... People are paying $85 starting to see Britney Spears, $104 to see Jerry Seinfeld.... The money is there and like I said, most tickets would be comp'd by casinos anyway. Merch and F&B sales are the tickets to success.. Bleeding Blue since 1986 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illwauk Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Rochester NY or Rochester MI?Rochester NY had its chance at a big-time team with the Rhinos and it blew it. The Amerks are good enough.Rochester MI is where the Mayo Clinic is, right? Is there anything else to justify putting a team there?I assume you mean Rochester, Minnesota (MN)I also assume Illwauk meant Rochester NY.Rochester MN is just over 100,000 with not too much around it. That the Mayo Clinic (and few other employers) supply some upper-class residents would not make up for that. The Twin Cities is the only market that could support any big-time sport.Definitely meant Rochester, NY. But since we're on the subject of Minnesota, could the Twin Cities support two teams? I wouldn't think of Minneapolis-St. Paul being a two team market in any other sport, but given how huge the market is (the entire state of Minnesota, plus Iowa, the Dakotas, and potentially, Wisconsin) and the interest in hockey in Minnesota, is it so crazy to think the Wild (rebranded as the St. Paul Fighting Saints?) could co-exist with a cross-river rival at the Target Center? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worcat Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Why hasn't anyone brought up Indiana? bring back the Racers? Bleeding Blue since 1986 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Hell, a trip from Northern California can take like 9-10 hours to Vegas, so that's not exactly close either. On top of that they is pretty much one highway from the LA area to Vegas, and that can get pretty crowded, so is it really worth it to make the trek for one game, unless it's part of a longer vacation? Also, even taking in OITGDNHL, no way would they allow any slot machines/tables in an arena.It's 8 hours from Detroit to St. Louis and people make that drive all the time for the rivalry. I am comparing going from STL to DET for a weekend for one game to a possible trip to Las Vegas. lmao... people would gladly plan a vacation to Las Vegas for a weekend trip to see an NHL game, plus gambling and prolly a show or two. Just saying... I'm not from Vegas...I'm from STL, just saying, think about the revenue this could generate. Would you rather travel from Minnesota to see the Devils for a weekend or go to Vegas. Nuff Said.... OK, that extra 3 hours can really take the trip from doable in a day to actively contemplating flying in. Add to that, you are driving through a ing mountain range in the middle of winter. You know, the the Donner Party got caught it. It's one thing to drive across the well-developed 4 lane flatlands to Detroit, another to cross the sparsely inhabited Rockies. As for Vegas itself, the market's economy is about as diversified as Detroit, and was absolutely immolated by the 2008 collapse. These investors of which you speak are fictional constructs pulled out of your fevered dreams. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Hell, a trip from Northern California can take like 9-10 hours to Vegas, so that's not exactly close either. On top of that they is pretty much one highway from the LA area to Vegas, and that can get pretty crowded, so is it really worth it to make the trek for one game, unless it's part of a longer vacation? Also, even taking in OITGDNHL, no way would they allow any slot machines/tables in an arena.It's 8 hours from Detroit to St. Louis and people make that drive all the time for the rivalry. I am comparing going from STL to DET for a weekend for one game to a possible trip to Las Vegas. lmao... people would gladly plan a vacation to Las Vegas for a weekend trip to see an NHL game, plus gambling and prolly a show or two. Just saying... I'm not from Vegas...I'm from STL, just saying, think about the revenue this could generate. Would you rather travel from Minnesota to see the Devils for a weekend or go to Vegas. Nuff Said....It seems like the Wing fanbase is more widespread, so not all of them make the trek just from Detroit to STL. (Also isn't Detroit bleeding people anyway?) There is heavy competition for the entertainment dollar in Vegas, and especially with a sport not everyone is a fan of, the NHL there has the earmarks of the disaster. I kinda like Vegas, but it ain't happening. Maybe they can do a one off event at Caesars like in 1993, but that's the limit of what the league should be in the city.Vegas is a town where things that normally aren't popular become the best show on earth. When you are in Vegas, people's wallets seem to just open up... People are paying $85 starting to see Britney Spears, $104 to see Jerry Seinfeld.... The money is there and like I said, most tickets would be comp'd by casinos anyway. Merch and F&B sales are the tickets to success.. Since you're stuck in 2004, I'll give you a little clue about the future. In 2008, we will experience the worst economic catastrophe since the Great Depression. Money will dry up. Many well-paying jobs will disappear. People will become slightly more frugal. Inflation will still go up anyway. Also, we'll elect a black man President in 2008. Go put all of your money down on that right now in Vegas. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illwauk Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Getting back on topic:How could or would anyone want an NHL franchise in Milwaukee? No one has shown any interest in this or even been in the top ten cities rumored? If any team is moving to the mid-west, I'd rather have Kansas City and bring back the Scouts.If you don't think Milwaukee would crack a hypothetical top ten, I want some of what you're smoking.No, it's not the most attractive market right now because the Bucks are still around, but the possibility of them leaving is very real. And without the Bucks, you have a state with two pro teams that could easily support three. A state that hosts what is arguably the most popular college hockey program in the country, that produces more hockey players than all but two US states, a city that has hosted three successful Frozen Fours in the past 20 years, and a city where the minor league team was out-drawing the local NBA franchise during the IHL days.I will grant you that maybe most of these are better reasons for why UWM (or Marquette, but more likely, UWM) should start a hockey program, but even with the Bucks, you don't think we could do better than friggin' Florida or Phoenix? There's a reason why we were supposed to get a team in the 90s, back when Milwaukee was much worse off economically than it is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Why hasn't anyone brought up Indiana? bring back the Racers? Because Indianapolis struggles to support the two teams it has now. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worcat Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Hell, a trip from Northern California can take like 9-10 hours to Vegas, so that's not exactly close either. On top of that they is pretty much one highway from the LA area to Vegas, and that can get pretty crowded, so is it really worth it to make the trek for one game, unless it's part of a longer vacation? Also, even taking in OITGDNHL, no way would they allow any slot machines/tables in an arena.It's 8 hours from Detroit to St. Louis and people make that drive all the time for the rivalry. I am comparing going from STL to DET for a weekend for one game to a possible trip to Las Vegas. lmao... people would gladly plan a vacation to Las Vegas for a weekend trip to see an NHL game, plus gambling and prolly a show or two. Just saying... I'm not from Vegas...I'm from STL, just saying, think about the revenue this could generate. Would you rather travel from Minnesota to see the Devils for a weekend or go to Vegas. Nuff Said....OK, that extra 3 hours can really take the trip from doable in a day to actively contemplating flying in. Add to that, you are driving through a ing mountain range in the middle of winter. You know, the the Donner Party got caught it. It's one thing to drive across the well-developed 4 lane flatlands to Detroit, another to cross the sparsely inhabited Rockies.As for Vegas itself, the market's economy is about as diversified as Detroit, and was absolutely immolated by the 2008 collapse. These investors of which you speak are fictional constructs pulled out of your fevered dreams.Then Fly if driving isn't an option? Who cares about the Donner party you weirdo?....I used Detroit/St. Louis as an example, would you like me to find another adding in difficult terrain?You realize the casino business is not hurting at all these days? Fictional constructs? you know I see my companies stock prices rise almost every day right? Bleeding Blue since 1986 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worcat Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Getting back on topic:How could or would anyone want an NHL franchise in Milwaukee? No one has shown any interest in this or even been in the top ten cities rumored? If any team is moving to the mid-west, I'd rather have Kansas City and bring back the Scouts.If you don't think Milwaukee would crack a hypothetical top ten, I want some of what you're smoking.No, it's not the most attractive market right now because the Bucks are still around, but the possibility of them leaving is very real. And without the Bucks, you have a state with two pro teams that could easily support three. A state that hosts what is arguably the most popular college hockey program in the country, that produces more hockey players than all but two US states, a city that has hosted three successful Frozen Fours in the past 20 years, and a city where the minor league team was out-drawing the local NBA franchise during the IHL days.I will grant you that maybe most of these are better reasons for why UWM (or Marquette, but more likely, UWM) should start a hockey program, but even with the Bucks, you don't think we could do better than friggin' Florida or Phoenix? There's a reason why we were supposed to get a team in the 90s, back when Milwaukee was much worse off economically than it is now.I haven't seen any reports by tsn, espn, yahoo or crazy larry about Milwaukee even being considered for an expansion team. I don't smoke - I'm drug free sir...Just because you have a great college system doesn't mean you should have pro teams - look at the state of Florida. Yikes. Bleeding Blue since 1986 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worcat Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Why hasn't anyone brought up Indiana? bring back the Racers?Because Indianapolis struggles to support the two teams it has now.Colts are on their way up and Pacers were considered top 3 East team before George blew out his knee. Are you high? Please stop talking... Bleeding Blue since 1986 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Hell, a trip from Northern California can take like 9-10 hours to Vegas, so that's not exactly close either. On top of that they is pretty much one highway from the LA area to Vegas, and that can get pretty crowded, so is it really worth it to make the trek for one game, unless it's part of a longer vacation? Also, even taking in OITGDNHL, no way would they allow any slot machines/tables in an arena.It's 8 hours from Detroit to St. Louis and people make that drive all the time for the rivalry. I am comparing going from STL to DET for a weekend for one game to a possible trip to Las Vegas. lmao... people would gladly plan a vacation to Las Vegas for a weekend trip to see an NHL game, plus gambling and prolly a show or two. Just saying... I'm not from Vegas...I'm from STL, just saying, think about the revenue this could generate. Would you rather travel from Minnesota to see the Devils for a weekend or go to Vegas. Nuff Said....OK, that extra 3 hours can really take the trip from doable in a day to actively contemplating flying in. Add to that, you are driving through a ing mountain range in the middle of winter. You know, the the Donner Party got caught it. It's one thing to drive across the well-developed 4 lane flatlands to Detroit, another to cross the sparsely inhabited Rockies.As for Vegas itself, the market's economy is about as diversified as Detroit, and was absolutely immolated by the 2008 collapse. These investors of which you speak are fictional constructs pulled out of your fevered dreams.Then Fly if driving isn't an option? Who cares about the Donner party you weirdo?....I used Detroit/St. Louis as an example, would you like me to find another adding in difficult terrain?You realize the casino business is not hurting at all these days? Fictional constructs? you know I see my companies stock prices rise almost every day right?Stocks go up because demand is stimulated by mandatory 401k related cash infusions. Las Vegas Casinos have 20% lower revenues, much worse profitability, and fewer people are gambling nowadays. The ones that do, don't go to Vegas anymore.Fewer people have the kind of disposable income you're talking about nowadays.Why hasn't anyone brought up Indiana? bring back the Racers?Because Indianapolis struggles to support the two teams it has now.Colts are on their way up and Pacers were considered top 3 East team before George blew out his knee. Are you high? Please stop talking...On field performance has little relationship to off-field troubles. Or the empty seats in the arena. The Pacers spent most of the 2000s in deep financial . Like, "the team threatened to move" . On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worcat Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 If that's your argument, then why would Milwaukee EVER be considered for anything but a state fair. LMAO. Bleeding Blue since 1986 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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