Sanic Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Vegas will move to Portland in '18.I guarantee it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DnBronc Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 The heck with Vegas. They need one in Milwaukee, for crying out loud. Then, the Bucks should move to KC, forfeit the Buck's history, and rename the team the Scouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbadefense1990 Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Quebec City and Seattle are the only plausible options out there for new NHL markets, and that should be saved for the inevitable relocations of the Coyotes and Panthers.You could put up an argument for a 2nd team in GTA. But Las Vegas? Does the NHL realize what a cataclysmic deathtrap of a region Vegas is to set residency in? Lake Mead is drying up because of the region's overpopulation, over-urban development and piss-poor allocation of water and other resources. The housing market today is still a shrew from its over-speculation days of the mid-2000s, which for homeowners were just a financial illusion of quick cash made from toxic, sub-prime loans. There's the state-wide gambling and brothel problems which will probably cost the Vegas NHL team from attracting families to come to their games.Then there's the issue of the arenas currently in the city. If there's evidence of the Thomas & Mack Center being too small and dangerous for the NBA (as evident by Paul George's injury from the backboard's stanchion being closer than in normal NBA arenas because of the T&MC's arena design), God only knows how cramped it'll be for the NHL. While the MGM Grand has hosted hockey games in the past (preseason Kings games), how will you make the hockey game the more marquee event at the casino? How will the franchise be able to lure people away from the poker games, nightclubs, live shows and hotels to see a sport not suitable for the region in the 1st place?The NHL in Vegas on a full-time basis? Did Gary Bettman and his suit men ingest a concoction of cough syrup and crystal meth, and base their decisions on how high they were for the night while ordering Sonic's Coney Dogs at 4am? That's the only rationale I can think of for those people to come to this possible franchise-expansion conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwabel Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 4 teams is a bit overkill. Don't add 2 more teams until the conferences are balanced out already.This shows that Bettman doesn't know what the f% he is doing.Bettman works for 30 people who feed him ideas or demand that they want a ROI.NJ, NYI, DAL, ,BUF, AZ, STL, FL, EDM, MTL, and MIN have all changed hands since 2008. They all want "free money" through expansion fees. A UW professor thought that Seattle was "sports saturated" already, so I am not sure how much demand there is for season tickets or TV eyeballs in Seattle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cajunaggie08 Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Does Toronto really need a second team? I've never been there, so I hardly know the landscape and all that, but will any Maple Leafs fan really become a fan of some random new team? To me, it'd be like the NBA adding a second team in Boston.I've visited Toronto once and attended a game there and it blew me away how much the tickets were. Toronto has one of the highest ticket prices in the league with over 100% of stadium capacity sold with a mediocre team playing. It would seem either demand is there to have an even larger arena, or have a 2nd team. But to answer your question of will any Toronto hockey fans be willing to support a new NHL over the Leafs? I have no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Needschat Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 I can't see Vegas with a team, but if some billionaire has money to blow, it will happen.I'd love to see Hartford return, and if so, the Whalers have better primary colors than blah green and blah blue. Oh what could have been.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorinK92 Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Does Toronto really need a second team? I've never been there, so I hardly know the landscape and all that, but will any Maple Leafs fan really become a fan of some random new team? To me, it'd be like the NBA adding a second team in Boston.I've visited Toronto once and attended a game there and it blew me away how much the tickets were. Toronto has one of the highest ticket prices in the league with over 100% of stadium capacity sold with a mediocre team playing. It would seem either demand is there to have an even larger arena, or have a 2nd team. But to answer your question of will any Toronto hockey fans be willing to support a new NHL over the Leafs? I have no idea. Seeing even how Maple Leaf fans in Ottawa have still not 50% switched over to the Sens, I'd say no. It would take a couple new generations to build a solid fanbase there. However, any team will have fans, and a hockey game in Toronto, no matter the team, will draw crowds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerslionspistonshabs Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Does Toronto really need a second team? I've never been there, so I hardly know the landscape and all that, but will any Maple Leafs fan really become a fan of some random new team? To me, it'd be like the NBA adding a second team in Boston.I've visited Toronto once and attended a game there and it blew me away how much the tickets were. Toronto has one of the highest ticket prices in the league with over 100% of stadium capacity sold with a mediocre team playing. It would seem either demand is there to have an even larger arena, or have a 2nd team. But to answer your question of will any Toronto hockey fans be willing to support a new NHL over the Leafs? I have no idea. Seeing even how Maple Leaf fans in Ottawa have still not 50% switched over to the Sens, I'd say no. It would take a couple new generations to build a solid fanbase there. However, any team will have fans, and a hockey game in Toronto, no matter the team, will draw crowds.Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeypower Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 http://www.thestar.com/#/article/sports/hockey/2014/08/27/second_nhl_team_could_be_on_its_way_to_toronto_report.htmlNHL has denied the rumors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still MIGHTY Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 http://www.thestar.com/#/article/sports/hockey/2014/08/27/second_nhl_team_could_be_on_its_way_to_toronto_report.htmlNHL has denied the rumors.Well of course. | ANA | LAA | LAR | LAL | ASU | CSULB | USMNT | USWNT | LAFC | OCSC | MAN UTD | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illwauk Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 The heck with Vegas. They need one in Milwaukee, for crying out loud. Then, the Bucks should move to KC, forfeit the Buck's history, and rename the team the Scouts.I've said often on this board, all an NHL team would have to do is be mildly successful, and they'd enjoy a better following than the Bucks.Despite all of my excitement for the Bucks right now, part of me is hoping they do leave town and open up the possiblility of the NHL coming here. I was pleasantly surprised to see so many calls for a team in Milwaukee in the facebook comments on Deadspin's post about this (non) story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 4 teams is a bit overkill. Don't add 2 more teams until the conferences are balanced out already. This shows that Bettman doesn't know what the f% he is doing.Bettman works for 30 people who feed him ideas or demand that they want a ROI. NJ, NYI, DAL, ,BUF, AZ, STL, FL, EDM, MTL, and MIN have all changed hands since 2008. They all want "free money" through expansion fees. A UW professor thought that Seattle was "sports saturated" already, so I am not sure how much demand there is for season tickets or TV eyeballs in Seattle. I know most modern American capitalists are dip s who believe "a year in the future" constitutes long range planning, but has anyone suggested to them that after the initial cash infusion, Las Vegas, possibly Seattle, and even potentially GTA2 could become revenue-sharing leaches who take money away from them? On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnythingChicago Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Kansas City and Portland are much better NHL expansion markets than Las Vegas and a second Toronto team, IMO. The NHL would have to surpass all OITGDNHL levels of stupidity displayed ever before to expand in Las Vegas. Phoenix, Miami, Raleigh, Nashville, and Dallas all have larger metro area populations than Las Vegas and those franchises all struggle to draw a sufficient crowd. Las Vegas in the NHL would be absolutely catastrophic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCap Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 A second NHL team in Toronto would certainly cut into the Sens' fanbase...You'd have all the hallmarks of the Clippers. A fanbase comprised of contrarians and fans of the other team looking to get tickets to see a game. Only without the benifits the Clippers get merely by playing in the Staples Centre. I mean it's NHL hockey and it's Toronto so it won't be a clusterf***. Still not sure it's a good idea though. PotD 26/2/12 1/7/15 2020 BASS Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal Regular Season Champion 2021 BASS NFL Pick'em Regular Season Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrodsep Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Seattle Metros/Thunder Birds and Quebec Nordiques for expansion....Portland Pirates and KC Scouts if any teams wants to relocate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sodboy13 Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Here, read this thing I wrote, if you want to. Or you can just keep babbling about this "34 teams in 2017" thing as if it were anything resembling a fact.http://hockeybrunch.blogspot.com/2014/08/numbers-games.html On 1/25/2013 at 1:53 PM, 'Atom said: For all the bird de lis haters I think the bird de lis isnt supposed to be a pelican and a fleur de lis I think its just a fleur de lis with a pelicans head. Thats what it looks like to me. Also the flair around the tip of the beak is just flair that fleur de lis have sometimes source I am from NOLA. PotD: 10/19/07, 08/25/08, 07/22/10, 08/13/10, 04/15/11, 05/19/11, 01/02/12, and 01/05/12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Here, read this thing I wrote, if you want to. Or you can just keep babbling about this "34 teams in 2017" thing as if it were anything resembling a fact. http://hockeybrunch.blogspot.com/2014/08/numbers-games.html LOL at "Toronto's own Joliet" and calling the Whalers the Coyotes with a better logo and catchy goal song. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthStar74 Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Just expand to 2 of the choices.. .Seattle and Quebec City or Portland.. the other can be used as relocation as well.. enough said.. Ice Hockey International Winnipeg Braves (Bobby Hull Division 18-3-0 1st place as of March 14, 2011)2010-11 O'Brien Trophy for Bobby Hull Division championship & Jack Riley Cup for top team in league regular season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Here, read this thing I wrote, if you want to. Or you can just keep babbling about this "34 teams in 2017" thing as if it were anything resembling a fact. http://hockeybrunch.blogspot.com/2014/08/numbers-games.html Great stuff, but I'm not 100% with you on Hartford being worse now than it was then. Brian in Boston is free to haughtily tell me I'm wrong, of course, but I was under the impression that the Springfield-Hartford-New Haven corridor was starting to get a pretty good thing going with a coordinated white-collar knowledge sector, which is of course the NHL's demographic sweet spot. Also, I've read that high school and college hockey have both grown in Connecticut over the last twenty years. And on top of that, there's the Hair-Metal Cinderella Effect (you don't know what you got till it's gone). I'll concede that Hartford is still a non-starter as long as there's not a new arena, which I don't think they're interested in building any time soon, and we haven't seen a potential owner step up who isn't Howard Baldwin and his magic beans, but I hardly think it's an inhospitable place for the NHL. It's still better than where the Whalers wound up. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lights Out Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 You'd have all the hallmarks of the Clippers. A fanbase comprised of contrarians and fans of the other team looking to get tickets to see a game. POTD: 2/4/12 3/4/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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