Cujo Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 The league just renamed and redesigned and created some new awards Michael Jordan Trophy: MVP Hakeem Olajuwon Trophy: DPOY Wilt Chamberlain Trophy: ROY Jerry West Trophy: Clutch Player of Year (whatever that is) John Havlicek Trophy: Sixth Man of Year George Mikan Trophy: Most Improved Player of the Year 2 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSU151 Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Olajuwon as the DPOY? One could make the argument that Rudy Gobert has a stronger case than Hakeem. 2 1 Quote Smart is believing half of what you hear. Genius is knowing which half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Discogod Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 1 minute ago, WSU151 said: Olajuwon as the DPOY? One could make the argument that Rudy Gobert has a stronger case than Hakeem. Yes, but that would be an incredibly stupid argument. 7 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSU151 Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 31 minutes ago, Discogod said: Yes, but that would be an incredibly stupid argument. Gobert has more Defensive Player of the Year awards (3) than Hakeem (2) and Gobert was elected to the All-Defensive First Team six times (in 9 seasons) compared to Hakeem's five (over 18 seasons). So maybe it's not as stupid as some people's poorly thought out edgy takes on a message board. Hell, Mutombo (who has the most) would be a better choice. Quote Smart is believing half of what you hear. Genius is knowing which half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eszcz21 Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Just now, WSU151 said: Gobert has more Defensive Player of the Year awards than Hakeem. So maybe it's not as stupid as some people's poorly thought out edgy takes on a message board. Hell Mutombo (who has the most) would be a better choice. Mutombo is tied for the most with Ben Wallace, who would be a better choice, him or Rodman. No Detroit bias here though. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSU151 Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Eszcz21 said: Mutombo is tied for the most with Ben Wallace, who would be a better choice, him or Rodman. No Detroit bias here though. I love Hakeem as a player and he had great defensive stats...but defense is not what I remember him for, as I would for Wallace or Mutombo. 4 Quote Smart is believing half of what you hear. Genius is knowing which half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Akronite- Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Can't really argue against any of the choices, but I don't think they need to be adding names to the trophies. Naming the Finals MVP for Russell made sense because he played before the award existed and would otherwise have the most given all of his championships as the centerpiece of the leagues first great dynasty. In 50-100 years, IMO, there will be players more synonymous with these labels than the namesakes. If they had waited 10 years, for instance, I could see LeBron and Steph being the East & West Conference MVP trophies, as a for instance. But again, the choices aren't bad. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinsUp1214 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 10 hours ago, WSU151 said: I love Hakeem as a player and he had great defensive stats...but defense is not what I remember him for, as I would for Wallace or Mutombo. That’s where I’m thrown off on this too. Hakeem is obviously one of the greatest players ever, and he was indeed a great defender, but defense is never the first thing that comes to mind when I think of him. I almost feel like naming DPOY after him inadvertently puts him in the wrong box. If you’re going to name a specialty award after a player, then that player ought to be known and remembered clearly for that specialty. Not that they were one-dimensional players by any means, but that they were one of the all-time greatest at thier specialty and role. When it comes to defense? Gary Payton, Ben Wallace, Dikembe Mutumbo, Dennis Rodman…each of those would have made perfect sense to me (Gobert’s in that group too, but he’s still active and awards should be named after retired/retiring players). Hakeem, as great as a defender as he was, doesn’t make the same amount of sense to me. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Akronite- Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 1 hour ago, FinsUp1214 said: That’s where I’m thrown off on this too. Hakeem is obviously one of the greatest players ever, and he was indeed a great defender, but defense is never the first thing that comes to mind when I think of him. I almost feel like naming DPOY after him inadvertently puts him in the wrong box. If you’re going to name a specialty award after a player, then that player ought to be known and remembered clearly for that specialty. Not that they were one-dimensional players by any means, but that they were one of the all-time greatest at thier specialty and role. When it comes to defense? Gary Payton, Ben Wallace, Dikembe Mutumbo, Dennis Rodman…each of those would have made perfect sense to me (Gobert’s in that group too, but he’s still active and awards should be named after retired/retiring players). Hakeem, as great as a defender as he was, doesn’t make the same amount of sense to me. Obviously the Dream Shake comes to mind for Hakeem, and there are guys more singularly known for their defense, but just to make the case: All time blocks leader (I feel like this is the big one, but obivously there is more to that side of the ball) Only center in the top ten in steals (and among the top 30 basically) 2 time DPOY, of course More versatile than most centers Ben Wallace would probably be my choice if you're going by greatest defensive player ever, but I think they wanted to honor their biggest stars with these awards. Hakeem fits that bill and is truly one of the great defenders in the game's history. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont care Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 These all look like middle school JV participation trophies. Plastic little gold men and all 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MellowTheMyth Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 I don't mind the players attached to these awards at all, my problem is the uniformity of them all. It sucks. They are traveling down the path of generic standardization, like the NFL and their Playoff and Super Bowl logos. And it's prevalence in the NBA has been creeping in within the last decade, with how they've had the terrible NBA Finals patch (and horrible placement on the back of the jerseys), the generic All-Star Game logos and lacking ASG uniforms, and the less decorative Playoff and Finals logos. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJWalker45 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 6 minutes ago, Jay_Mellowed said: I don't mind the players attached to these awards at all, my problem is the uniformity of them all. It sucks. They are traveling down the path of generic standardization, like the NFL and their Playoff and Super Bowl logos. And it's prevalence in the NBA has been creeping in within the last decade, with how they've had the terrible NBA Finals patch (and horrible placement on the back of the jerseys), the generic All-Star Game logos and lacking ASG uniforms, and the less decorative Playoff and Finals logos. If all of the trophies look like the person they are named after I'm fine with it. It's weird the amount of detail that went into Jordan's MVP trophy. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 On 12/13/2022 at 9:37 AM, WSU151 said: Olajuwon as the DPOY? One could make the argument that Rudy Gobert has a stronger case than Hakeem. Defended his teammates from covid by licking microphones and getting the entire league shut down On 12/13/2022 at 9:46 AM, -Akronite- said: In 50-100 years, IMO, there will be players more synonymous with these labels than the namesakes. If they had waited 10 years, for instance, I could see LeBron and Steph being the East & West Conference MVP trophies, as a for instance. But again, the choices aren't bad. Well, I'm sure the LeBron James trophy for most people reported to authority figures will stand the test of time. 1 4 1 Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 On 12/16/2022 at 6:06 AM, Jay_Mellowed said: I don't mind the players attached to these awards at all, my problem is the uniformity of them all. It sucks. They are traveling down the path of generic standardization, like the NFL and their Playoff and Super Bowl logos. And it's prevalence in the NBA has been creeping in within the last decade, with how they've had the terrible NBA Finals patch (and horrible placement on the back of the jerseys), the generic All-Star Game logos and lacking ASG uniforms, and the less decorative Playoff and Finals logos. Not to mention sticking KIA on everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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