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Bad form by this clown if he didn't get SyPhi's permission on it..

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Bad form by this clown if he didn't get SyPhi's permission on it..

Something tells me this clown and bad form have been friends since conception.

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This is a very interesting bit of conversation. My thoughts are, Syphi created nothing new and the logo isn't his. Using an existing duck head image and simply placing a shape behind it probably took him 5 minutes. So based on that how valid is the © information on the image. If I was a representative of the Ducks I might question Syphi and ask why he is placing © information on something that isn't his. That's like taking a story and just rewriting the last couple of pages and calling it my own story.

BUT I don't see any of this as a big deal since it's a concept and it's for a fantasy hockey league. Do any of use ask permission of the big clubs to place their logos on concepts or uni ideas? I say let it pass, the kid didn't market the image for profit.

just my $0.02...

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the kid didn't market the image for profit.

I think that's key. There's nothing stopping anyone from taking an existing pro team's logo, jersey, wordmarks, etc. and painting it on your wall or making your own jersey to wear, or putting the images on your website. After all, sportslogos.net does the exact same thing and doesnt get permission from the NHL, MLB or any other league for the use of the logos. The key is that Chris isn't making money off of it AND he keeps copyright signs where they are supposed to be.

Nevertheless, I do agree its bad etiquette to not ask for permission when using a fellow board member's logos.

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Actually, I'm sure Chris Creamer has logos supplied by the leagues themselves in a lot of cases.

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So does this mean that everyone on this board has to get permision to use trademarked logos as their avatars or signatures? I know there's quite a few members that have 3 or 4 trademarked logos as their signatures. What's the difference between that and using it as a logo for your fantasy team? They are both being used in basically the same context, an image to represent yourself on a webpage. I'm not saying it's right or wrong but if you think it's wrong than a bunch of people on this board are guilty of the same exact thing.

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Exactly Meet, this is not a case of copyright infringment on the fantasy owners part. Syphi owns no rights to that logo. As discussed in my business law course, SyPhi simply improved an existing peice of work...that work belongs to the Mighty Ducks. So, if there is case for infringement it would be the Mighty Ducks v. SyPhi.

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You guys are hilarious. Who's to say that he didn't get permission from the creator? Who's to say he didn't PAY for the use of the logo? You have NO idea. Call him guilty first, then figure out the actual facts later if you get around to it. Oh, and it's freaking FANTASY HOCKEY on a web page that was probably intended for himself and his 5 friends. Stop taking yourselves so damn seriously.

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It's still wrong of that asshat to mooch off SyPhi like that.  It's the principle.

Well then in that case you are "mooching" off the Flyers and Penn State. I doubt you got their permission either.

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Did SyPhi contact the Might Ducks? Not likely, so he "ass hat mooched" off the federally registered Ducks logo. Im not saying SyPhi is wrong, but I also believe that this guy has a right to an image, that for all intents and purposes, is registered fully under copyright law to the Anahiem Mighty Ducks.

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Well then in that case you are "mooching" off the Flyers and Penn State. I doubt you got their permission either.

Actually, I have permission to use any Penn State mark as I am a student there and do design work for them. I display the Flyers logo in accordance with the "fair use" policy.

Stealing somebody's personal graphics is a different story.

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But you are doing the exact same thing. There is no real Minnesota Mighty Ducks. He's got it displayed as his fantasy graphic. What I'm asking you is what's the difference between having it as a graphic for a fantasy sports website and as your avatar? It's the same exact thing.

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It's not the same thing. I am displaying it under fair use, just like all the logos featured here on CC's site. I am not laying claim to it and using it to brand something, as the fantasy kid is doing with SyPhi's graphic.

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Branding it? Come on dude, I don't think you are going to start seeing Minnesota Mighty Ducks jerseys at the Mall of America anytime soon. He's used it to represent a fake team in a fake league that probably 10 other people are a part of.

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The internet age has made really easy to "get stuff for free", and for some reason it seems to lead to folks rationalizing all kinds of things to excuse actions that are, by definition, simply wrong. "He didn't make money off it", "Its just a fantasy logo", "he stole it first so my stealing is exused", etc. etc. etc. Regardless, it is someone else's intellectual property we are talking about here, and I can almost guarantee its a lot more valuable to the artist then the one who takes it for a "worthless" use. Jeez, that's not only stealing, its insulting too.

LT

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Actually, I have permission to use any Penn State mark as I am a student there and do design work for them. I display the Flyers logo in accordance with the "fair use" policy.

Stealing somebody's personal graphics is a different story.

Technically he is using SyPhi's image under Fair Use also. Considering the four points of fair use (Purpose and Character, Nature of the Copied Work, Amount and Sustainability, and Effect on Work's Value), a case against the person in question wouldn't stand, especially considering the purpose and character (The person in question, unless evidence is provided otherwise, has made no attempt to say the logo in question is their own design, and has in fact kept the copyright statement on the logo) and effect on the work's value clauses. Being a bit in bad taste by assuming he didn't ask SyPhi first before using the image (since we don't even know that)? Yeah. Enough to get your knickers in a twist because of "alleged" theft? Nope.

Easy there getting off your high horse there, mate, you may hurt yourself.

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