CC97 Posted March 7, 2007 Author Share Posted March 7, 2007 Also I think that they've started using the footprint as the primary logo.I hate you sooooooo much right nowClearly, "Blue Jays" was an alternate team nickname, never intended to actually replace "Phillies."http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/exhibits...amp;Entryid=708http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/exhibits...amp;Entryid=724Why is that "clearly" the case? Why would the official MLB Encyclopedia list it as such? I need more proof. --- Chris Creamer Founder/Editor, SportsLogos.Net "The Mothership" • News • Facebook • X/Twitter • Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 I obviously wasn't around back then, and really can't provide more proof. All I can go by is the baseball history books I read in the library when I was in grade school in the 80s, the team's website, and the references that have already been provided. I understand wanting to use the MLBE as the official source, and honestly can't give you a good argument why you shouldn't, though my feeling is that it isn't accurate in this case. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC97 Posted March 7, 2007 Author Share Posted March 7, 2007 I'll do some searches through the sporting news archives (which has already proven my "Boston Pilgrims" idea wrong) and post the results --- Chris Creamer Founder/Editor, SportsLogos.Net "The Mothership" • News • Facebook • X/Twitter • Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC97 Posted March 7, 2007 Author Share Posted March 7, 2007 I'll do some searches through the sporting news archives (which has already proven my "Boston Pilgrims" idea wrong) and post the resultsAlright, I lose!Fight, Color and Noise - Not Phils, but Blue JaysStan Baumgartner, The Sporting News - March 9, 1944Woman wins bond and pass in fans' contest; 634 names suggestedPHILADELPHIA, PA -- The Phillies have acquired a new emblem -- Blue Jay -- and the winning fan, who received a $100 war bond and a season pass for the best letter that accompanied the suggestion, is Mrs. John L. Crooks, a demure little woman, who, with her husband, is caretaker at the Odd Fellows Grand Lodge at 1516 North Sixteenth Street, Philadelphia.Six other fans, Thomas Halloway, Robert Treat, Richard Ludwig, Burt Reynolds, C.H. Horner, and C.K. Decker were awarded seasons passes.To win the final award, Mrs. Crooks suggested Blue Jay, "because the Blue Jay will reflect a new team spirit. The blue jay is colorful in personality and plumage. His fighting, aggressive spirit never admits defeat. He defends his home grounds fiercely and in his flights afar his constancy of purpose never wavers."The adoption of the Blue Jay as an insignia does not mean that 'Phillies' will be discarded. It is merely an additional nickname.Bob Carpenter, president of the club, expressed satisfaction with the new nickname. --- Chris Creamer Founder/Editor, SportsLogos.Net "The Mothership" • News • Facebook • X/Twitter • Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 I'll do some searches through the sporting news archives (which has already proven my "Boston Pilgrims" idea wrong) and post the resultsAlright, I lose!Fight, Color and Noise - Not Phils, but Blue JaysStan Baumgartner, The Sporting News - March 9, 1944Woman wins bond and pass in fans' contest; 634 names suggestedPHILADELPHIA, PA -- The Phillies have acquired a new emblem -- Blue Jay -- and the winning fan, who received a $100 war bond and a season pass for the best letter that accompanied the suggestion, is Mrs. John L. Crooks, a demure little woman, who, with her husband, is caretaker at the Odd Fellows Grand Lodge at 1516 North Sixteenth Street, Philadelphia.Six other fans, Thomas Halloway, Robert Treat, Richard Ludwig, Burt Reynolds, C.H. Horner, and C.K. Decker were awarded seasons passes.To win the final award, Mrs. Crooks suggested Blue Jay, "because the Blue Jay will reflect a new team spirit. The blue jay is colorful in personality and plumage. His fighting, aggressive spirit never admits defeat. He defends his home grounds fiercely and in his flights afar his constancy of purpose never wavers."The adoption of the Blue Jay as an insignia does not mean that 'Phillies' will be discarded. It is merely an additional nickname.Bob Carpenter, president of the club, expressed satisfaction with the new nickname.You may have been proved wrong, but it was worth it. Look at that Burt Reynolds shout out. Sexy sexy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 Why is that "clearly" the case? Why would the official MLB Encyclopedia list it as such? I need more proof.Well, I hate to pile on an argument that I've already won, but the fact that they never bothered to take "Phillies" off the front of the uniforms always seemed pretty compelling evidence to me that they weren't discarding the nickname. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC97 Posted March 7, 2007 Author Share Posted March 7, 2007 Why is that "clearly" the case? Why would the official MLB Encyclopedia list it as such? I need more proof.Well, I hate to pile on an argument that I've already won, but the fact that they never bothered to take "Phillies" off the front of the uniforms always seemed pretty compelling evidence to me that they weren't discarding the nickname. Yeah but teams were really weird back then with that sorta thing! --- Chris Creamer Founder/Editor, SportsLogos.Net "The Mothership" • News • Facebook • X/Twitter • Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadSeed84 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 http://www.sportslogos.net/logo.php?lo=37e4zx7zjl6h3fs70ekhThe Phillies BP jerseys have an all blue side panel, no gray, I know its probably how it was gonna be originally, but alas now its all blue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogoHound Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 http://www.sportslogos.net/logo.php?lo=37e4zx7zjl6h3fs70ekhThe Phillies BP jerseys have an all blue side panel, no gray, I know its probably how it was gonna be originally, but alas now its all blueIt's their home batting practice uni too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iowahoo Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 Bowling Green's new logo set debuted in 2004- the new falcon head and the wordmarks.THey are currently listed as 2006-present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadSeed84 Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 http://www.sportslogos.net/logo.php?lo=37e4zx7zjl6h3fs70ekhThe Phillies BP jerseys have an all blue side panel, no gray, I know its probably how it was gonna be originally, but alas now its all blueIt's their home batting practice uni too.Yea I know, their away bp jersey is blue with red side panels.Thank god that gray part is gone, as thats not a phollies color and wouldve been stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris86saw Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 lets just hope that the blue jays never adopt the nickename, "phillies" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 lets just hope that the blue jays never adopt the nickename, "phillies"lol... I'm thinking about how history would be different if the Phillies had officially adopted the Blue Jays moniker. The change in attitude would undoubtedly have resulted in several world championships.What would Toronto's nickname have been if Blue Jays was taken?Thanks for making the change, CC.Why is that "clearly" the case? Why would the official MLB Encyclopedia list it as such? I need more proof.Well, I hate to pile on an argument that I've already won, but the fact that they never bothered to take "Phillies" off the front of the uniforms always seemed pretty compelling evidence to me that they weren't discarding the nickname. Yeah but teams were really weird back then with that sorta thing!Yeah.. the Giants never officially changed their name to World's Champions! "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinMcD Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 -You probably havn't had time to update it yet, but some of the MLB teams still have the old BP jerseys listed as present.-The Jamestown Jammers of the NYPL still has their old logo there and it is listed at present. I don't have thier new one but here is their website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogoHound Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 For the Raptors you still have the jerseys with the purple on them listed as the home and away, and you have the red jersey listed as an alt. Also I think that they've started using the footprint as the primary logo.Their 06-07 style guide says that the footprint is the secondary. In the case of the Suns, they refuse to accept their designated primary. So they use the secondary as a primary whenever possible. So I guess it's possible that Toronto is doing the same, but it's a pretty weak logo to be used as the primary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldogbarks55 Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 The font on the Leafs '67 Cup logo (Canadian flag leaf) is wrong. Check out the Leafs' own site to see the correct version. Thank you for your most kind attention to this matter. But after all, it involves the Leafs! Totally unacceptable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 The font on the Leafs '67 Cup logo (Canadian flag leaf) is wrong. Check out the Leafs' own site to see the correct version. Thank you for your most kind attention to this matter. But after all, it involves the Leafs! Totally unacceptable!As is winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC97 Posted March 8, 2007 Author Share Posted March 8, 2007 The font on the Leafs '67 Cup logo (Canadian flag leaf) is wrong. Check out the Leafs' own site to see the correct version. Thank you for your most kind attention to this matter. But after all, it involves the Leafs! Totally unacceptable!A lot of the old NHL logo problems are from their own 'vinatge' line of logos, they reproduced them incorrectly -- i'm trying to go back and fix their errors. --- Chris Creamer Founder/Editor, SportsLogos.Net "The Mothership" • News • Facebook • X/Twitter • Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 MLB does that as well - really bothers me.Most of the logos in their "Cooperstown Collection" were never used by the teams, but were created recently in the retro style.Then there's their enshrining of the variant Dodgers "B", where they take a version worn once, for one year, and ignore the proper B worn for decades.... The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEWJ Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 Cleveland Indians Alternate Uniform Descriptions should to be switched. | BROWNS | BUCKEYES | CAVALIERS | INDIANS | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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