gingerbreadmann Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 My problem with taking Runs and RBIs into too much consideration is they are too dependent on what is around you. If you put an MVP on a team surrounded by league average players, their RBIs and runs take a nose dive because both of those require people either getting on in front of you or behind you.Not saying they shouldn't count, but to me the RBI total holds as much value as the Win total does for the Cy Young. Typically the best players are at the top, but to order the top players with that stat isn't very fair in regards to the team's around them.I realize you already said you'd vote for Pujols but I just wanted to throw my thoughts on RBIs out there. As my years go up in age, I'm starting to pay attention to OPS, Slugging, Runs Created, AVG, HRs, much more than RBIs. However if I remember previous threads, you're a SABR guy as well...Use BaseRuns. More structurally sound. I like to look at Justin Inaz' all-around (including defense, positional adjustments based on the defensive spectrum, etc.) ratings, found at his site jinaz-reds.blogspot.com. He has a great 8-or-so part series explaining the ratings (Runs above replacement, but not VORP-cluster:censored:ed) in pretty simple terms for the most part, linked on the left side, and it is a really really great read. I think what he has done is given the basis of a true MVP. Same for pitchers. I think you should all at least check it out.As of now, Sizemore is leading in the AL and Pujols, by a mile, in the NL. I think Lee and Lincecum are winning the CY races.And as far as RBI and R are concerned, I believe you are right on.Gah. I basically spent a good part of my summer studying sabermetrics (I know, typical teenager right), and now I feel like a real nerd.Tank, that is so wrong on so many levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerbreadmann Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 Mariotti is convinced that K-Rod should be MVP. Ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boshalladay Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 AL MVP: Josh HamiltonAL Cy Young: Roy HalladayAL ROY: Evan LongoriaAL Manager of the Year: Joe MaddonNL MVP: Ryan HowardNL Cy Young: C.C. SabathiaNL ROY: Geovany SotoNL Manager of the Year: Lou Pinella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinyHubCaps Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 OK, all the K-Rod talk, I'll change my AL MVP to Justin Morneau. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baseballking99 Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 AL MVP: Josh HamiltonAL Cy Young: Roy HalladayAL ROY: Evan LongoriaAL Manager of the Year: Joe MaddonNL MVP: Ryan HowardNL Cy Young: C.C. SabathiaNL ROY: Geovany SotoNL Manager of the Year: Lou PinellaWhat about Cliff Lee? 21-2 can't get you nothing anymore i guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarsofthumper Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 AL MVP: Francisco RodriguezAL Cy Young: Cliff LeeAL ROY: Evan LongoriaAL Manager of the Year: Joe MaddonNL MVP: Carlos DelgadoNL Cy Young: Tim LincecumNL ROY: Geovany SotoNL Manager of the Year: Lou Pinella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJBerthiaume Posted September 14, 2008 Author Share Posted September 14, 2008 Now that Quentin is hurt, I think my AL MVP would have to be between Morneau and Pedroia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarsofthumper Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Now that Quentin is hurt, I think my AL MVP would have to be between Morneau and Pedroia.ESPN will be shoving Pedroiah the Destroyah down everyone's throats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cujo Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 NL MoY: Ned Yost, MilwaukeeGood job getting the Brewers back into the playoffs for the first time since I was 2 months oldOh really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJTank Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Now when Yost goes to down his sorrows does he drink Bud to piss off his ex bosses. www.sportsecyclopedia.com For the best in sports history go to the Sports E-Cyclopedia at http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Now when Yost goes to down his sorrows does he drink Bud to piss off his ex bosses.WTF? "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcgd Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Now when Yost goes to down his sorrows does he drink Bud to piss off his ex bosses.WTF?Although the Brewers aren't owned by the Miller Brewing company, I think that's what Tank was trying to joke about.Instead of drinking a Lite tonight, he'll have a Light instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC97 Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 NL MoY: Ned Yost, MilwaukeeGood job getting the Brewers back into the playoffs for the first time since I was 2 months oldOh really? I wonder if a fired manager is eligible for Manager of the Year... I still think he was the best in the NL this season. --- Chris Creamer Founder/Editor, SportsLogos.Net "The Mothership" • News • Facebook • X/Twitter • Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJTank Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Ask Joe Girardi in 2006 www.sportsecyclopedia.com For the best in sports history go to the Sports E-Cyclopedia at http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cujo Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Ask Joe Girardi in 2006I don't think Girardi counts.He was canned after the season concluded -- and his firing was because he couldn't see eye-to-eye with Florida's idiot owner and had nothing to do with his on the field managerial skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC97 Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Fun!NJITs MLB MVPs/Cy Young Formula sorta --- Chris Creamer Founder/Editor, SportsLogos.Net "The Mothership" • News • Facebook • X/Twitter • Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJTank Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Fun!NJITs MLB MVPs/Cy Young Formula sortaNJIT is in Newark I think that discredits it www.sportsecyclopedia.com For the best in sports history go to the Sports E-Cyclopedia at http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC97 Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Fun!NJITs MLB MVPs/Cy Young Formula sortaNJIT is in Newark I think that discredits it Yeah but so are you --- Chris Creamer Founder/Editor, SportsLogos.Net "The Mothership" • News • Facebook • X/Twitter • Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJTank Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Fun!NJITs MLB MVPs/Cy Young Formula sortaNJIT is in Newark I think that discredits it Yeah but so are you Actually Im in Belleville www.sportsecyclopedia.com For the best in sports history go to the Sports E-Cyclopedia at http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoughRiders9 Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 AL MVP: Justin MorneauAL Cy Young: Cliff LeeAL Rookie: Evan LongoriaAL Manager: Joe MaddonNL MVP: Albert PujolsNL Cy Young: Tim LincecumNL Rookie: Geovany SotoNL Manger: Lou Piniella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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