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that’s all true, so I guess “important” is subjective. I hardly notice the helmet bumpers, and I don’t really focus much on the end zones (except when they look terrible in the super bowl like the Eagles did a few years ago). So you’re right that they’re still very visible, but just to me, not in a way that really affects the visual identity of the team too much. the Steelers, Patriots (the cursive style from the 90s-00s), Packers, and I guess now the 49ers have “important” word marks that would (or did) have a negative impact if/when changed. Maybe some other team that I’m missing. But I’m not sure how many others do. I’m sure I’m missing a couple. the Eagles 80s word mark would fall under that category, but it ain’t coming back so I just have to accept it.

I’d be ok with it (but just ok, nothing higher) if the E had a more pronounced spike on the upper left, and maybe also the S on upper right. That would at least keep it consistent with previous word marks, even if the rest is pretty generic. at the end of the day, NFL word marks aren’t super important. Baseball and basketball matter most. Then a large gap, then football. Hockey word marks barely matter at all since they really only appear on helmets, and even then, it’s usually logos.

^^ that’s not new. They’ve used bright green along with the midnight green for years. In other news, they may not be able to replace the wordmark on the jerseys till 2024(!) according to a beat writer. So they’ll potentially have an unofficial logo on their uniform for up to two seasons.

It’ll at least fix the “issue” that the now-former word mark has when it’s painted in the end zone. I wonder when they’re going to update the retail jerseys since they’ve been (presumably) selling tons of new ones.

From that article: "Matters of this nature can also become an effective mechanism for free publicity, whether a given company is the party responding to or issuing the cease-and-desist letter. For example, many who will become aware of this dispute likely had never heard of Togethxr." Yeah it could be one of those things where it's just process so they can say that they have a track record of defending their marks just in case there's a situation where there's a more clear-cut infringement. What's the phrase - if you don't defend your marks then you can lose the rights to?

That would be a nice base for a redesign for the Astros. The only things I hate about it is "space city" and the "Astros" patch on the cap, but I get that's what they do for these. Even the gradient looks great here, though I'd prefer for gradually changing blocks of color (kinda like the tequila sunrise uniforms) rather than a gradient. I also like the way they did the placket piping here, though if this was a full-time jersey, I'd rather it be more symmetrical. I'm also pleased that they went mono navy. I really think that monochrome looks can work in MLB, and some teams (SFG, CSX, maybe CLE?) could pull it off as a full time road look. Overall, for what it is, it's a home run, though there are definitely some things holding it back from looking like a major-league-ready uniform.

Once the balanced schedule takes effect, expect Phillies fans to take over OPACY every other year too. It's a perfect easy road trip, except after the game is over you're in Baltimore.

I don't know if the style guide allows for abbreviated versions of the logo, but they could go with just the "X" under the collar. At the end of the day, the league branding isn't that critical to its initial success or failure, so the fact that it looks like the logo for software that used to be sold at Babbages shouldn't be a big deal.

When the Phillies won, I was hoping they'd simply recolor their stars from blue to gold.

In general, I like this tradition, but it's silly that players that are brand new to the team are wearing the celebratory uniform.

Here you can see the nameplate overlapping the seam. Later versions had it in line with the seam - but I don't think they ever wore it above the seam, unless they did in that weird 1995 season where they had twill numbers and smaller outlines and looked like crap. There were two moments in my life when I realized I was a uni-nerd and not normal. The day as a kid that I realized that there were subtle differences in the Eagles NOB font and nameplate placement, and decided to draw out each team's jersey (based on football cards) - including nameplate and seam pattern - was one of those. Also here you can see the unique NOB font. It's kind of like standard block, but condensed or stretched? The letters seem to be more squared off than regular block.

Dude is putting in the work! You can tell how exhausted he is from a long day of research and study. It's like he's a scientist! LOL J/K. It's not that complicated. These guys make me laugh. He probably broke out in laughter as soon as the photo was taken. Doesn't matter how many he posts, none of them will make the black jersey look good or make sense, regardless of helmet or pants. They'll screw it up somehow. The 6s and 9s have little angled notches on their hooks, and I'm sure Nike will miss that. Also, they'll look totally different on NIke fabric and skin tight. They also had a unique NOB font that you have to be super uni-aware to notice. I had an authentic Seth Joyner jersey from '92, but jerseys back then didn't come lettered. I had it lettered by Gold Medal Sports, who (I am pretty sure) was the Eagles supplier at the time (and was eventually bought out by one of the chains... Modells?) and they used standard block, and it pissed me off to no end. They also put the nameplate above the back seam, which would normally be right, but the Eagles actually wore their nameplate over the seam for some reason.

You're missing the point. The teams are making up fake reasons why they can't have the jerseys in 2022, when the real reason (regardless of any legitimate supply issues) is because the NFL said they couldn't because of the lead-time rule. I"m not saying there's not legit issues - just that they're moot, because the league said on day one of the new helmet rule that they couldn't wear new jerseys in 2022 unless they were already planned two or more years ago.

Others have already answered, but I'll chime in. When they lifted the 1-helmet rule, the league opened a short window for teams to "declare" they would have a 2nd helmet for 2022. HOWEVER, the deadline for declaring a new jersey for 2022 had already passed, so unless a team already had throwbacks in the style guide (and theoretically ready to go for both retail and on-field use) they'd have to hurry up and declare for 2023. Any excuses about fabric matching or supply chains is simply not accurate, because it was stated by factual sources (the league itself!) that 2023 would be the earliest for most throwback jerseys. Some teams - possibly Patriots? - may have kept their throwbacks in their catalog just in case, so assuming they met the deadline to declare a 2nd helmet for 2022, they'd be able to do the throwbacks this year.

More BS. We KNEW that 2023 would be the earliest for them. They even said so themselves in the stories when the helmet rule was changed! Now these teams want to blame "supply chain", and "green is too hard to make", and I'm just waiting before one of these teams finds a way to blame Obama for the delay. They're not going back to kelly green. They've been consistent in saying it's just something they wanted to test out for a couple of seasons before even thinking about contemplating a full-fledged change back. I'm personally not looking forward to it because I don't think the uniforms will look anything like the OGs given the current Nike fabrics. I grew up in the Cunningham, Reggie White, Seth Joyner, Eric Allen, etc. era, so these are "my" uniforms, but they were of a certain era and we're way past that now. The brighter green from the 2010 throwback game would look great in the new materials (but I'm also one of the minority of us that prefers the dazzle / mesh combo.)

is that real? Source?

That was my exact thought before even seeing your post. They're fine for what they are, and they'll look fine on most of the draft picks, but I'm not going to get one. EDIT: the Raiders one is questionable. I'm not sure how anyone wears a cap with a silver or white brim. Unless you keep your fingers spotless, isn't that going to have all kinds of spots on it from taking it on/off?

The pinstripe through the middle of the 8 bothers me way more than it should.

For anyone who cares, Castellanos will be switching to #8.

'12 and '13 they still expected to be good, and for years after that, they were too loyal to their aging players and held on too long. The "righting the ship" didn't really start to happen until '16 or '17 when they hired some 30-year-old analytics dbag as GM, who destroyed the team and the farm system even worse than it was. Then they signed Harper and decided to trade basically the only minor league talent they had left to get JT Realmuto, and then the cupboard was truly bare. They've gotten lucky that a few guys that weren't prospects got called up out of necessity and ended up playing OK, but they're totally in a situation where they have to buy their way out of a mess that was born out of 1) their willingness to trade prospects to pick up stars to keep their 07-11 run going (which I'm cool with), and 2) their unwillingness to accept that it was over until 5 years after it was over.

It's pathetic that the Phillies are one of only what - 3 teams? - over the luxury tax and are probably 3rd in their division and will be fighting for a spot in the expanded playoffs. Their halcyon days were fueled by young-controllable (relatively cheap) talent, now they've developed so few players that they're paying >$230M to field a team that's not even a lock for the 6th seed.

I don't get why it takes so long to get these guys into camp. Castellanos was signed on Friday, but isn't going to be in camp till at least Wednesday. Schwarber was a similar situation. I get they need physicals before the deals can be made official, but that shouldn't take long, and since they were FAs, they should have their affairs in order since they knew they were going to be moving. Basically, I just want to know what numbers the new guys are going to be wearing, and that desire outweighs any needs that they have on their end. Schwarber took 12, which is a lousy number in the Phillies font. I'm assuming Castellanos is going to go with 22 since 2 is taken by an established player. Also, it really bothers me that all the uncultured Philly dolts are already calling him "Caste la nos", rather than "Caste ya nos". Just like when some idiot named Vince Velasquez played here, and they'd call him "Velas qwez". It's embarassing. Living in a very multi cultural area, understanding common digraphs shouldn't require a graduate degree.

Are any NFL TV broadcasters also full-time baseball guys?

and it's probably worse than you even think. They have among the worst defensive LF, CF, 3B, 1B, and SS in the league. When they announced the DH in the NL, everyone was rejoicing that they could hide some of these guys at DH, then they sign these two guys. Guess they're counting on winning every non-Zack Wheeler start by a score of 11-10.

Someone asked in the MLB thread why would a company actually buy an ad on a uniform, because nobody has ever seen a jersey ad and decided to buy that product. My response was that "because if they don't, their competitor will". I honestly don't even know if Safelite has any competitors, mostly because they advertise all the time. I guess just regular body shops are their competitors? But if they do have a competitor that's struggling for recognition, getting that ad space would be priceless for them. So for Safelite, it doesn't really help them pick up sales, but it keeps their competition down, which probably makes it worth while. It's more of a defensive move.