FrutigerAero Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 I think Sacramento A's would be cool. We'll see though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 On 6/10/2024 at 12:19 PM, Sec19Row53 said: Do they have an owner with deep pockets? Venues? Then why is it a concern to you? I may be misunderstanding the posts leading up to this comment, so disregard if so. I'd say it's a concern to all baseball fans because there's not much worse than watching a game on TV in front of an empty crowd in a place where nobody cares, and it sucks to have teams like the Marlins that are simply never going to try, despite having the venue and deep-pocketed owner. Simply as a fan of the sport, I care. I absolutely hate when the Phillies are in Miami, because the broadcasts remind me of 2020, and it's more fun when the park is at least 50% full. I'm not saying he's right about Vegas' ability to support a MLB team - I have no idea. But I think that even though on paper, support and finances aren't the concern of 99% of us, simply as fans of the game it is. 4 1 Quote "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCall Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 4 hours ago, FrutigerAero said: I think Sacramento A's would be cool. We'll see though. They're not gonna be the "Sacramento A's", just the "A's/Athletics". Quote https://dribbble.com/MakaioCall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sec19Row53 Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 On 4/4/2024 at 2:39 PM, Sec19Row53 said: You've got that backwards. The Triple-A team will need to schedule around the MLB team. Since Triple-A doesn't play on Mondays, just (routinely) Tuesday to Sunday, it will require a re-formatting of the schedule. Let's hang a big L on this post of mine. MLB is giving the A's a travel advantage, IMO. Quote It's where I sit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDAWG Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 The Rays Stadium saga is about to come to an end. 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
who do you think Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBGKon Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 On 7/18/2024 at 3:53 PM, GDAWG said: The Rays Stadium saga is about to come to an end. It wasn't my preferred location, but whatever keeps my team in my area I fully support. Cant wait for 2028! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 If the problem with Rays attendance has always been more about geographical considerations than fan interest--after all, the Bolts and Bucs have no problem drawing a crowd--then how are the Rays' perennial woes going to be solved by building a new stadium in the parking lot of the existing one? or do they not think they can solve that problem, which is why they're going to spend billions of dollars on a baseball stadium whose capacity is closer to the Lightning's arena than to other ballparks? 2 Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBGKon Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 5 minutes ago, The_Admiral said: If the problem with Rays attendance has always been more about geographical considerations than fan interest--after all, the Bolts and Bucs have no problem drawing a crowd--then how are the Rays' perennial woes going to be solved by building a new stadium in the parking lot of the existing one? or do they not think they can solve that problem, which is why they're going to spend billions of dollars on a baseball stadium whose capacity is closer to the Lightning's arena than to other ballparks? Because they're also getting development rights on the area around the new stadium to be something like The Battery in Atlanta. Tampa proper (and by that matter Hillsborough County as a whole) didn't seem to have strong interest and possibly for good reason. The unofficial rumblings seem to point that the Buccaneers may be looking towards major renovations to Raymond James Stadium (a la the Dolphins and Jaguars) or a new stadium next door outright within the next 5-10 years. Hillsborough may be better off putting funds towards that rather than splitting any available funds between the Rays and Bucs. Also, a 30k capacity new Rays stadium is just about as far in size from the Lightning arena (19,092 capacity) as the last MLB ballpark to open in Arlington (40,300 capacity) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 It still doesn't compute. It's such a terrible location for people that live on either side... why would anyone want to live in whatever is developed near the stadium? Wouldn't it be just as awful for them to go to their jobs in Tampa and then back to St Pete? I know people want this to be great, but it really doesn't sound like any improvement in any way other than the actual physical structure. They're still not going to sell out playoff games, still not going to fill 30k, and will still be one of the "takers" of the revenue sharing. 1 Quote "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sec19Row53 Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 2008 to 2010 would like a word. Quote It's where I sit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 7 minutes ago, Sec19Row53 said: 2008 to 2010 would like a word. where they were 12th, 11th, and 9th out of 14 AL teams despite being a WS team? Where it was cheaper for fans to buy a plane ticket, hotel, and a game ticket to see a WS game there because of complete lack of demand? Quote "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sec19Row53 Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 Just now, BBTV said: where they were 12th, 11th, and 9th out of 14 AL teams despite being a WS team? Where it was cheaper for fans to buy a plane ticket, hotel, and a game ticket to see a WS game there because of complete lack of demand? I get all that. But they still drew 1.8 Million in each of those three years. 2.5 in their first year. People don't WANT to go, except that they DID. It makes no sense to me. Quote It's where I sit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 8 hours ago, TBGKon said: Because they're also getting development rights on the area around the new stadium to be something like The Battery in Atlanta. You can put An Exciting Mixed-Use Retail Development™ up my dad's ass; nobody's going there. 1 Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCall Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 7 hours ago, The_Admiral said: You can put An Exciting Mixed-Use Retail Development™ up my dad's ass; nobody's going there. Then he hasn't met the right woman yet. 1 1 6 Quote https://dribbble.com/MakaioCall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raz Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 On 7/22/2024 at 12:28 PM, TBGKon said: Because they're also getting development rights on the area around the new stadium to be something like The Battery in Atlanta. The Coyotes tried that in Glendale. Apparently, didn't work. Yes it's next to the football stadium. All of 8/9 dates a year. Dead otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBGKon Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 2 minutes ago, raz said: The Coyotes tried that in Glendale. Apparently, didn't work. Yes it's next to the football stadium. All of 8/9 dates a year. The difference is that the Coyotes did not own the Westgate City Center complex, nor did their ownership develop that area. I believe the Coyotes were strictly a tenant. From what I understand, the new Rays stadium is part of a development partnership between the Rays and Hines, a leading global real estate investment manager. The new Historic Gas Plant District in St. Pete will be owned and operated by the Rays, much like the Braves ownership owns The Battery in Atlanta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raz Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 9 minutes ago, TBGKon said: The difference is that the Coyotes did not own the Westgate City Center complex, nor did their ownership develop that area. I believe the Coyotes were strictly a tenant. From what I understand, the new Rays stadium is part of a development partnership between the Rays and Hines, a leading global real estate investment manager. The new Historic Gas Plant District in St. Pete will be owned and operated by the Rays, much like the Braves ownership owns The Battery in Atlanta. The Coyotes owner at the time (Steve Ellman) built the center. Most believe that was his sole interest in getting hold of the hockey team, so he could build around it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 26 minutes ago, raz said: The Coyotes owner at the time (Steve Ellman) built the center. Most believe that was his sole interest in getting hold of the hockey team, so he could build around it. There's nothing wrong with using a hockey team as an anchor for a larger development. I would contend that it's the only way that owning an NHL team makes sense--at the very least, you need to control your arena's master lease. The Blackhawks just announced a huge plan to build on the parking lots that surround the United Center. (Westsidegate!) The thing is, you have to enjoy owning the hockey team and be sort of good at it or it doesn't work. Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 3 hours ago, TBGKon said: The difference is that the Coyotes did not own the Westgate City Center complex, nor did their ownership develop that area. I believe the Coyotes were strictly a tenant. From what I understand, the new Rays stadium is part of a development partnership between the Rays and Hines, a leading global real estate investment manager. The new Historic Gas Plant District in St. Pete will be owned and operated by the Rays, much like the Braves ownership owns The Battery in Atlanta. But again, if the stadium is located in a terrible location for people that work in either Tampa or Clearwater, why would they want to live near it? Unless I’m misunderstanding the issue, which is possible. The Defence of the rays poor attendance has always been the location of the stadium. With real estate, it’s “location location location”, so how’s this going to work out? 3 Quote "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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