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16 hours ago, MJWalker45 said:

I'd say it's on the Loyal for not wanting to join up with the bid. We all knew this was the likeliest to occur.

 

Were they given the option to join? I don't know either way. Seems on par for current MLS to say thanks for laying the groundwork while they shove you aside. But also on par for USL to be naive and stubborn and precious about it. So I dunno who's more to blame.

 

Best color scheme, worst name. RIP Loyal.

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2 hours ago, Digby said:

 

Were they given the option to join? I don't know either way. Seems on par for current MLS to say thanks for laying the groundwork while they shove you aside. But also on par for USL to be naive and stubborn and precious about it. So I dunno who's more to blame.

 

Best color scheme, worst name. RIP Loyal.

I dont think the Loyal themselves were invited to join but I believe they were given the option to partner with the expansion club but they declined.

 

But take a look at some of the other USL cities MLS moved into

 

Atlanta Silverbacks folded a nearly a year after the United were announced.

Austin Bold played for one season alongside Austin FC, but then went on hiatus attempting to move to Fort Worth. The team has not resurfaced and presumed dead.

Charlotte Independence dropped down to USL League 1 and moved into a renovated American Legion Stadium. They average under 2,000 a game.

Miami FC (who unlike Inter Miami actually play in Miami) continue to play infront of less than 1,500 a game

Saint Louis FC folded a season before St Louis City began play ceding the market to MLS

Cincinnati, Minnesota, Montreal, Nashville, Orlando, Portland, Seattle, and Vancouver all moved their lower league teams up to MLS.

 

So basically, Atlanta and St Louis didnt even want to try to compete against the MLS. Austin tried and failed. Charlotte and Miami play to near empty stadiums.  Honestly it wouldnt be feasible for the Loyal to continue in San Diego.

 

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FC Cincinnati now 17-0-3 across all competitions at The Tickle this season (although two of the draws were being eliminated from tournaments on penalties, so on a technicality they are draws). A huge 3-0 victory over NYCFC tonight keeps them atop the Supporters Shield table. Its their 3rd game in 7 days and their 3rd of 5 in 14 days. On to Atlanta

 

As for Messi, im just laughing at anyone who is unhappy that he didnt start tonight and only played 30 minutes. You spend all this money to see him play in New Jersey and he doesnt even start. Hah. Dude is human. He's tired from carrying Miami through the Leagues Cup and US Open Cup. He needs rest too. At the same time its sad that more than likely 2/3 of Red Bull Arena was there to see Messi and not the Red Bulls. NYRB is such a pathetic organization.

 

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On 8/26/2023 at 10:42 PM, Dilbert said:

FC Cincinnati now 17-0-3 across all competitions at The Tickle this season (although two of the draws were being eliminated from tournaments on penalties, so on a technicality they are draws). A huge 3-0 victory over NYCFC tonight keeps them atop the Supporters Shield table. Its their 3rd game in 7 days and their 3rd of 5 in 14 days. On to Atlanta

 

As for Messi, im just laughing at anyone who is unhappy that he didnt start tonight and only played 30 minutes. You spend all this money to see him play in New Jersey and he doesnt even start. Hah. Dude is human. He's tired from carrying Miami through the Leagues Cup and US Open Cup. He needs rest too. At the same time its sad that more than likely 2/3 of Red Bull Arena was there to see Messi and not the Red Bulls. NYRB is such a pathetic organization.

 

If Red Bulls wanted to be taken seriously they could have grabbed a big name years ago. Their last true big name player that contributed was Thierry Henry.

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On 8/28/2023 at 7:17 AM, MJWalker45 said:

If Red Bulls wanted to be taken seriously they could have grabbed a big name years ago. Their last true big name player that contributed was Thierry Henry.

NYRB definitely gave up years ago and are just using the team as a very weak advertising vehicle and not too interested in running a successful club. Especially with NYCFC in the mix. They really should've pivoted to being New Jersey's team, the way the Devils have always been, and work on the support that way. They realy do feel like Chivas USA. A team that doesn't really represent their home market trying to rep another area that doesn't care much about them and already has a team to support.

 

Sure NYCFC came after NYRB where LAG came before CDCUSA... it still is pretty close. And both are doomed to failure.

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Just now, Sykotyk said:

NYRB definitely gave up years ago and are just using the team as a very weak advertising vehicle and not too interested in running a successful club. Especially with NYCFC in the mix. They really should've pivoted to being New Jersey's team, the way the Devils have always been, and work on the support that way. They rally do feel like Chivas USA. A team that doesn't really represent their home market trying to rep another area that doesn't care much about them and already has a team to support.

 

Sure NYCFC came after NYRB where LAG came before CDCUSA... it still is pretty close. And both are doomed to failure.

At least NYCFC seems to actually exist to their parent organization too. 

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19 minutes ago, MJWalker45 said:

At least NYCFC seems to actually exist to their parent organization too. 

Yeah. I was afraid that NYCFC was going to be another NYRB. But they've seemed to really put a lot of effort into it, and make NYCFC its own thing, and not just a cheap shoestring budget operation.

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FC Cincinnati came back down 1-0 with goals from Acosta in the 75th and Vazquez in the 80th to steal their first ever victory in Atlanta 2-1, and become the first team to clinch a spot in the MLS Cup playoffs this season.

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On 8/30/2023 at 11:42 AM, Sykotyk said:

NYRB definitely gave up years ago and are just using the team as a very weak advertising vehicle and not too interested in running a successful club. Especially with NYCFC in the mix. They really should've pivoted to being New Jersey's team, the way the Devils have always been, and work on the support that way. They realy do feel like Chivas USA. A team that doesn't really represent their home market trying to rep another area that doesn't care much about them and already has a team to support.

 

Sure NYCFC came after NYRB where LAG came before CDCUSA... it still is pretty close. And both are doomed to failure.

 

Even the NY/NJ MetroStars days were plagued by on-field playing and coaching inconsistencies.  Overall, the club has had some success in the regular season and a fluke playoff run in 2008, but other than that they've been disappointing. I was at the NY/NJ MetroStars' first-ever home game in 1996, aka the "Curse of Caricola", and that match has been the unfortunate epitome of the club.

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On 2023-08-26 at 11:42 PM, Dilbert said:

As for Messi, im just laughing at anyone who is unhappy that he didnt start tonight and only played 30 minutes. You spend all this money to see him play in New Jersey and he doesnt even start. Hah. Dude is human. He's tired from carrying Miami through the Leagues Cup and US Open Cup. He needs rest too. At the same time its sad that more than likely 2/3 of Red Bull Arena was there to see Messi and not the Red Bulls. NYRB is such a pathetic organization.

 

 

In fairness I think you're going to get this Messi-chaser ratio at every away game the guy plays...

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8 hours ago, Digby said:

 

In fairness I think you're going to get this Messi-chaser ratio at every away game the guy plays...

So far he has been booed in Nashville and Cincinnati. I think both teams supporters did what they could to keep Messistans out of their stadiums.

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FC Cincinnati suffer their first loss (the Leagues and Open Cup were technically draws, eliminated in penalties) in 11 months at TQL Stadium (October 1, 2022 loss 3-2 to Chicago). They fall to Orlando 1-0 in a game that saw a lot of time with Orlando participating in a diving competition. (7 minutes first half stoppage, 8 that turned into 11 for the second half). The good news for FCC is New England drew against Austin and St Louis is trailing as of this typing to keep a 10 point lead in the supporters shield over NE, STL and ORL

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