CaolinaJoe Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Notre Dame fired Ty Willingham even though he has a winning record. If the University expects any coach to return ND to the national powerhouse status it once held it will have to relax the academic standards they have in place. Not that that is a good idea, but they a recruiting at a disadvantage. It will be impossible for any coach they hire to achieve what the boosters want. "It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of thepress. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom ofspeech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given usthe freedom to demonstrate. And it is the soldier who salutes theflag, serves beneath the flag, whose coffin is draped by the flag, andwho allows the protester to burn the flag."Marine Chaplain Dennis Edward O' Brien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMMF Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Notre Dame fired Ty Willingham even though he has a winning record. If the University expects any coach to return ND to the national powerhouse status it once held it will have to relax the academic standards they have in place. Not that that is a good idea, but they a recruiting at a disadvantage. It will be impossible for any coach they hire to achieve what the boosters want. I miss the good old days when colleges and universities were for educating people and having a great intercollegiate athletics department was just a bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaolinaJoe Posted November 30, 2004 Author Share Posted November 30, 2004 Notre Dame fired Ty Willingham even though he has a winning record. If the University expects any coach to return ND to the national powerhouse status it once held it will have to relax the academic standards they have in place. Not that that is a good idea, but they a recruiting at a disadvantage. It will be impossible for any coach they hire to achieve what the boosters want. I miss the good old days when colleges and universities were for educating people and having a great intercollegiate athletics department was just a bonus. I agree with you. But, he wasn't fired for his graduation rate. "It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of thepress. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom ofspeech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given usthe freedom to demonstrate. And it is the soldier who salutes theflag, serves beneath the flag, whose coffin is draped by the flag, andwho allows the protester to burn the flag."Marine Chaplain Dennis Edward O' Brien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMMF Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Notre Dame fired Ty Willingham even though he has a winning record. If the University expects any coach to return ND to the national powerhouse status it once held it will have to relax the academic standards they have in place. Not that that is a good idea, but they a recruiting at a disadvantage. It will be impossible for any coach they hire to achieve what the boosters want. I miss the good old days when colleges and universities were for educating people and having a great intercollegiate athletics department was just a bonus. I agree with you. But, he wasn't fired for his graduation rate. Oh I know. And I know you know how I feel. It just blows my mind how much of a precedence sports takes. One need to look no further than the Cincinnati Bearcat basketball graduation rate to see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WJMorris3 Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Willingham did not do anything that really made him deserve to be fired. He just has impossible standards to live up to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaolinaJoe Posted November 30, 2004 Author Share Posted November 30, 2004 The NBA & NFL need to start a farm system for kids out of HS and stop using the NCAA for that purpose, especially the NFL.The NBA at least now takes kids straight out of HS. While not good, at least a student/athlete who cares about an education can now get that scholarship. "It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of thepress. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom ofspeech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given usthe freedom to demonstrate. And it is the soldier who salutes theflag, serves beneath the flag, whose coffin is draped by the flag, andwho allows the protester to burn the flag."Marine Chaplain Dennis Edward O' Brien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapshot Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Why does Notre Dame even have to return to "be a national powerhouse"? They get a bowl invite every year, and they barely have to win 5 games. Notre Dame, at 6-5, will be given a bowl invitation (not sure which one, mid-tier I think) over an 8-3 team, simply because it's "Notre Dame".If the NCAA wants to bring back its standards of academic excellence, it needs to stop letting athletic organizations award schools money for name recognition over academic (and in some cases, athletic) achievement. Back-to-Back Fatal Forty Champion 2015 & 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL FANATIC Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Illinois's AD said he expected a 3-4 week interviewing process, but I really hope there's some chance Willingham might end up coaching the Illini. JUSTIN STRIEBEL | PORTFOLIO | RESUME | CONTACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez Street Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 I bet Mizzou fans would take Willingham over Stinkel.......... @DavidStreeter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL FANATIC Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 I bet Mizzou fans would take Willingham over Stinkel.......... Probably, but sounds like Pinkel's gonna be given a chance to get things fixed.My Illini on the other hand have an opening... JUSTIN STRIEBEL | PORTFOLIO | RESUME | CONTACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yh Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Why does Notre Dame even have to return to "be a national powerhouse"? They get a bowl invite every year, and they barely have to win 5 games. Notre Dame, at 6-5, will be given a bowl invitation (not sure which one, mid-tier I think) over an 8-3 team, simply because it's "Notre Dame". Well, the difference between a mid tier bowl's monetary take and a BCS calibre game's can differ as much as tenfold and with no other conference schools to share the loot, I can see how maintaining a powerhouse program would be relevant to the golden domers. And ordinarily you'd have a point regarding ND's ability to leapfrog a team with a better record to get into a better bowl, but this isn't the year to be using that example. Because the major conferences have so few bowl-eligible teams this year, the non-BCS conferences which are usually limited to one guaranteed invite are finding more teams getting asked to play in bowls. Even the Sun Belt is going to have two teams bowling this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yh Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 I bet Mizzou fans would take Willingham over Stinkel.......... Hell, I'd take you over Pinkel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez Street Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 I bet Mizzou fans would take Willingham over Stinkel.......... Hell, I'd take you over Pinkel. yeah but I would some how lose to Kansas and Kansas St. each year..........damn the luck @DavidStreeter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waffles Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Man...if Hanukkah Harry would bring Ty Willingham to Syracuse...I might actually soil myself...damn...too late Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paynomind Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Georgia Tech is at a similar disadvantage.. you barely have to read to get into "State Name" schools like Tennesee, Georgia, Florida, etc, etc... but at places like Notre Dame and Georgia Tech, etc.. you have to be a student. Colleges need to realize what they are - a stepping stone to the pros. Most kids dont make it, but quite a few are only there to try and go pro.Now, once they realize it, what should they do? Well.. many choices, relax standards, create "science of sports field maintenance" degrees, get out of 1-A competition, get out of sports alltogether, etc.Shame there were such unrealistic expecations on Willingham. I'd be glad to have him at my university. NCFA Sunset Beach Tech - Octopi ΓΔΒ! Going to college gets you closer to the real world, kind of like climbing a tree gets you closer to the moon. "...a nice illustration of what you get when skill, talent, and precedent are deducted from 'creativity.' " - James Howard Kunstler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaolinaJoe Posted November 30, 2004 Author Share Posted November 30, 2004 They are playing in the Insight Bowl. Against the #4 Pac-10 team, whomever that is(looks like Oreegon State or ASU).They got selected over the #3 Team in the Big East, whomever that is(at the moment looks like Pitt). If I were a Bowl Committee, I would want what ND fans bring financially to a bowl game over what the #3 Big East team can bring. Afterall the game is in Arizona.Alumni and National Fan base is why ND was locked into the BCS. They generate the dollars that the Bowl sites are looking for. Not to mention the ratings that sponsors want. "It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of thepress. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom ofspeech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given usthe freedom to demonstrate. And it is the soldier who salutes theflag, serves beneath the flag, whose coffin is draped by the flag, andwho allows the protester to burn the flag."Marine Chaplain Dennis Edward O' Brien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesCraven Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 If you ask me, it's another case of The Man keeping the brothers down. "I better go take a long walk off a short pier or something."Some people on this bolard have told me to do just that.My "Ron Mexico" alias is "Jon Tobago". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
See Red Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 As long as Notre Dame's students are required to take Calculus during freshman year, whether they're a football player or not, and require the classes and perfomance in those classes in High School to show that they could be successful in a freshman year calculus class, Notre Dame football will not be in the top 10 any time soon.Look at the top 3 teams, how many football players on USC, Auburn, and Oklahoma took, or are taking, calculus as a freshman?Personally, I'm suprised that Willingham was fired -- I heard somewhere that Notre Dame has never gotten rid of a coach before his contract is up, or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEAD! Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 As long as Notre Dame's students are required to take Calculus during freshman year, whether they're a football player or not, and require the classes and perfomance in those classes in High School to show that they could be successful in a freshman year calculus class, Notre Fame football will not be in the top 10 any time soon.Look at the top 3 teams, how many football players on USC, Auburn, and Oklahoma took, or are taking, calculus as a freshman?Personally, I'm suprised that Willingham was fired -- I heard somewhere that Notre Dame has never gotten rid of a coach before his contract is up, or something like that. So the downfall of all football programs is Calculus? I guess algebra would make things easier for football players, huh? About, Notre Dame's record. With the record that they had, I'd say it's reasonable considering Notre Dame's schedule is insane. Could you really blame Willingham for that? They had what? USC, Michigan, Tennessee, Boston College etc. etc. I'd like to see how Utah would fare with the schedule that Notre Dame has to put up with every year. I saw, I came, I left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
See Red Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 As long as Notre Dame's students are required to take Calculus during freshman year, whether they're a football player or not, and require the classes and perfomance in those classes in High School to show that they could be successful in a freshman year calculus class, Notre Fame football will not be in the top 10 any time soon.Look at the top 3 teams, how many football players on USC, Auburn, and Oklahoma took, or are taking, calculus as a freshman?Personally, I'm suprised that Willingham was fired -- I heard somewhere that Notre Dame has never gotten rid of a coach before his contract is up, or something like that. So the downfall of all football programs is Calculus? I guess algebra would make things easier for football players, huh? About, Notre Dame's record. With the record that they had, I'd say it's reasonable considering Notre Dame's schedule is insane. Could you really blame Willingham for that? They had what? USC, Michigan, Tennessee, Boston College etc. etc. I'd like to see how Utah would fare with the schedule that Notre Dame has to put up with every year. My point wasn't referring directly to calculus, it was to prove a point -- I didn't say the 'downfall of all programs is calculus' -- my point was that Notre Dame expects to have high academic standards, and a winning football program -- it's going to be very tough finding top football players who are even qualified to attend Notre Dame. And if there's a top football player who expects to go pro, some day and isn't just using football to get a scholarship at a good college -- do you think they'll choose the school with the extremely high academic standards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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