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why are the Dodgers trading away a bunch of key players?

Possibly traded Ishii with the aquisition of Lowe in the offseason, and probably got a catcher, because they felt they needed one after dealing Lo Duca in the offseason.

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This is a great trade for LAD.

They got rid of a pitcher that walks guys like crazy and compensated with no strikeouts, and they acquired a catcher that they've needed.

Ishii and Zambrano walk guys like crazy, the Marlins and the patient hitters (5) will have fun.

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You can certainly say it's a bad trade for the Mets if you like, though I personally like it, but how can you say it's a good trade for the Dodgers? Before trading Ishii, the Dodgers had Penny, Lowe, Weaver, Ishii and Perez as their five starters. They had the best starting staff in the entire NL West. Now, you take out Ishii, and the Dodgers really don't have anyone better than him taking his spot. And by the way, good luck with Philips, Dodgers fans - he did zero for the Mets offensively last season, and he let his fair share of pitches get away from him. Actually, given the Mets luck, he'll be a superstar in Dodgertown.

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This is a great trade for LAD.

You're joking, right?

:blink:

Please...Jason Phillips is not that good...ask any Mets fan about this...

I'm glad he's gone, personally....he can take his goofy goggles and go hit around .200 for the Dodgers.

Then again, the Dodgers wouldn't have been in this mess if they hadn't have dealt LoDuca away last year.

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Before trading Ishii, the Dodgers had Penny, Lowe, Weaver, Ishii and Perez as their five starters. They had the best starting staff in the entire NL West.

excuse me. :huh: i dunno. i like the look of Schmidt Williams Tomko and Rueter. although maybee not the best starting staff in the west, they are on the best overall team

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Lowe should do well in a pitchers ballpark.

Weaver is gutless? :blink: How is a pitcher gutless? He walked 67 guys in 220 IP, Bonds was 11 of those walks. Weaver is coming into his prime, I like what he has to offer. Oh yeah, you must be a Yankee fan.

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How do you let go of Beltre, Green, Finley, Cora, Ishii, and LoDuca...and replace them with Lowe, Phillips, Kent, Valentin and Choi...and expect to do as well?

Hmmm position by position:

C - Phillips, Hernandez, Matheny...edge Padres

Matheny and Hernandez are both great defensively but Hernandez is a MUCH better hitter)

1B - Choi, Nevin, Snow...edge Giants

Nevin's better offensively overall but Snow's a .300+ hitter with superior defense

2B - Kent, Loretta, Durham...edge Padres

Kent hit .289/27/107, Loretta .335/16/76, Durham .282/17/65 so Kent drives in runs but Loretta's a better overall hitter. Loretta I believe is also far superior to the other two defensively. Kent has no range and Durham has far too many errors.

3B - Valentin, Burroughs, Alfonzo...edge Giants easily

Burroughs can hit for average but Alfonzo is great defensively and beats the other two offensively overall

SS - Izturis, Greene, Vizquel...edge Padres easily

Izturis and Vizquel have had their best years. Greene hasn't come close to his best year yet and .273/15/65 from a number eight hitter isn't anything to scoff at. These are three great defensive shortstops I think. Izturis perhaps not so much I guess.

LF - Werth, Klesko, Bonds...DUH! Giants

If Bonds plays this year it's a no contest. If not, It'll be Tucker and Klesko and Werth are both better than him. I'd then give the edge to Klesko because he's healthy and Werth isn't.

CF - Bradley, Roberts, Grissom...edge Giants

Bradley can hit but his numbers weren't impressive for an outfielder last year. Grissom hit 20+ homers both years as a Giant and .300 and .279. Not bad. Roberts gives the Padres the speed they need but he's rarely healthy and can't seem to get on base to USE his speed.

RF - Encarnacion, Giles, Alou...edge Giants

Giles is a superstar but his numbers at PETCO won't be what they were at PNC. Alou will hit anywhere with or without Bonds/Sosa.

Rotation: Weaver, Lowe, Penny, Perez; Williams, Peavy, Eaton, Lawrence; Schmidt, Williams, Lowry, Reuter...edge Padres.

I think the Giants young arms are strong but I still think they finish third here. The Dodgers rotation is a big question mark. Penny's career could be over. Lowe had a high ERA last year but in years past you put him in Dodger Stadium and he's lights out. How will he do? Perez and Weaver proved themselves last year. The Padres have potential Cy Young candidate in Peavy, a new pitcher in Eaton who I think will have a breakout year, Williams who could see a large improvement in his numbers at PETCO and Lawrence who will be improved from last year.

Bullpen: Alvarez, Dreifort, Brazoban, Carrara; Hammond, Linebrink, Otsuka, Seanez; Christiansen, Herges, Eyre, Brower...edge Padres

I don't think there's a better bullpen in the majors than the one the Padres have. That could prove the difference in a close NL West.

Closer: Gagne, Hoffman, Benitez...edge Dodgers

Does any other division have a trio of closer like we do? I can't think of one. The Central has Lidge and Isringhausen, the East has Wagner. The AL West has K-Rod. The AL Central has Percival. The AL East has Foulke and Rivera. Nope. No trios like this one. Benitez can still be a gascan at times. Hoffman isn't the Hoffman of the mid-late 90s. Gagne starts the season on the DL but overall he'll be better than these other two.

Bench: Bako, Saenz, Grabowski, Ledee; Young, Sweeney, Blum, Ojeda; Torrealba, Feliz, Cruz, Tucker...edge Giants

Sweeney is one of the best pinch-hitters in the game and Grabowski has a nack for the incredible but overall the Giants have the best bench. Cruz was their starting Shortstop last year and Tucker their starting right fielder. Not bad.

Giants: 6 (goes to 5 if Bonds can't play)

Padres: 5 (goes to 6 if Bonds can't play)

Dodgers: 1

The Rockies and Diamondbacks I don't think beat all these teams at any of these positions. Glaus can't beat Alfonzo at third. Green doesn't beat Alou OR Giles in right. Left Field is Bonds and even with him out Klesko is better overall than Gonzalez though my grandma is a better defensive outfielder than Klesko. Helton can't beat Nevin or Snow at first. That's the closest anyone gets to the top from those two teams.

Hence:

NL West without Bonds until June or Later

Padres

Giants

Dodgers

Diamondbacks

Rockies

NL West if Bonds comes back within the first 6-8 weeks

Giants

Padres

Dodgers

Diamondbacks

Rockies

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Before trading Ishii, the Dodgers had Penny, Lowe, Weaver, Ishii and Perez as their five starters.  They had the best starting staff in the entire NL West.

excuse me. :huh: i dunno. i like the look of Schmidt Williams Tomko and Rueter. although maybee not the best starting staff in the west, they are on the best overall team

I really wonder about that. My particular point was on the starting staff. But really, the best team? I think with Bonds out, it's the Padres - and even BEFORE he got hurt, I had plenty of people telling me the Padres were taking the division - team I hear them most compared to are the 2003 Marlins, and that CAN'T be a bad thing.

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