maz Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Why would they play the 1812 Overture? What does Russia smashing the French have to do with the Patriots? Many people in America associate the 1812 Overture with the war of 1812. The historical illiteracy of my fellow Americans can be shocking sometimes. Yinz callin us abunch of idyots? Seriously, who in America would know {or Care} about the failed French invasion of Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiasco! Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Why would they play the 1812 Overture? What does Russia smashing the French have to do with the Patriots? Many people in America associate the 1812 Overture with the war of 1812. The historical illiteracy of my fellow Americans can be shocking sometimes. Yinz callin us abunch of idyots? Seriously, who in America would know {or Care} about the failed French invasion of Russia. the millions of history majors that care about such things. LinkedIn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopard88 Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Why would they play the 1812 Overture? What does Russia smashing the French have to do with the Patriots? Many people in America associate the 1812 Overture with the war of 1812. The historical illiteracy of my fellow Americans can be shocking sometimes. Yinz callin us abunch of idyots? Seriously, who in America would know {or Care} about the failed French invasion of Russia. the millions of history majors that care about such things.Yinz is missin' a lot of stuff that's goin' on places besides Dahntahn, so grab a pawp outta da icebawx and turn on da History Channel for awhahl. Most Liked Content of the Day -- February 15, 2017, August 21, 2017, August 22, 2017 ///// Proud Winner of the CCSLC Post of the Day Award -- April 8, 2008 Originator of the Upside Down Sarcasm Smilie -- November 1, 2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred T. Jane Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Seriously, who in America would know {or Care} about the failed French invasion of Russia. I would, because I've done research on Napoleon's campaigning in Russia.Simply put, despite my Anglophillic tendencies, Napoleon's campaign in Russia was the downfall of the French Empire. Napoleon's Grand Armée was the largest army field in history until World War I. It was also a conglomeration of French, Italian, Austrian, German, Polish, Dutch, Czech, Hungarian, and other European soldiers hurled against the only monarchy that Napoleon could touch with his army (thanks to Trafalgar, Napoleon had no option to take the war to the British). The Grand Armée was something not seen in Europe since Roman times, as east and west European stood side by side against the "Russian Menace," as Napoleon called them.However, because the Russians had not only had enough land to buy time to get a decisive blow in on Napoleon, and Napoleon's indecisiveness (Early in the campaign, Napoleon had the Russian Army, including Czar Alexander I in his grasp, but never gave battle), Napoleon's quick victory vanished, and the Russian Campaign became a series of bloody brawls, neaching its zenith at Borodino. Napoleon finally did take Moscow, but because of Russian raiding, and problems in Spain (Where Wellington was beating Napoleon's Second String like an early season college football game), he began his costly retreat. By the time the force reached its starting point, the Grand Armée had suffered approximately 90% losses. In the Spring of 1813, Russia came at the French in the Grand Duchy of Warsaw, but this time, Napoleon's former suitors turned on him. In hindsight, defeat was inevitable, but it soon became apparent after the French were defeated at leipzig (The Battle of the Nations), and the British swept aside the French in the Pyrennes, and began marching on paris itself.So yeah, there's at least 1 American who knows/cares about Napoleon's invasion of Russia.Back to the mentioning of the 1812 Overture, I don't think it would work, as the celebration of victory over an extremely democratic (for its day) regime by an oppressive absolute monarchy just wouldn't work for a team named "Patriots." [Croatia National Team Manager Slavan] Bilic then went on to explain how Croatia's success can partially be put down to his progressive man-management techniques. "Sometimes I lie in the bed with my players. I go to the room of Vedran Corluka and Luka Modric when I see they have a problem and I lie in bed with them and we talk for 10 minutes." Maybe Capello could try getting through to his players this way too? Although how far he'd get with Joe Cole jumping up and down on the mattress and Rooney demanding to be read his favourite page from The Very Hungry Caterpillar is open to question. --The Guardian's Fiver, 08 September 2008 Attention: In order to obtain maximum enjoyment from your stay at the CCSLC, the reader is advised that the above post may contain large amounts of sarcasm, dry humour, or statements which should not be taken in any true sort of seriousness. As a result, the above poster absolves himself of any and all blame in the event that a forum user responds to the aforementioned post without taking the previous notice into account. Thank you for your cooperation, and enjoy your stay at the CCSLC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred T. Jane Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Yinz is missin' a lot of stuff that's goin' on places besides Dahntahn, so grab a pawp outta da icebawx and turn on da History Channel for awhahl. You mean the Hitlerly Channel? I mean, I never thought you could shoehorn in something about the Nazis on a program about farming in Medieval times until I turned on the History Channel... [Croatia National Team Manager Slavan] Bilic then went on to explain how Croatia's success can partially be put down to his progressive man-management techniques. "Sometimes I lie in the bed with my players. I go to the room of Vedran Corluka and Luka Modric when I see they have a problem and I lie in bed with them and we talk for 10 minutes." Maybe Capello could try getting through to his players this way too? Although how far he'd get with Joe Cole jumping up and down on the mattress and Rooney demanding to be read his favourite page from The Very Hungry Caterpillar is open to question. --The Guardian's Fiver, 08 September 2008 Attention: In order to obtain maximum enjoyment from your stay at the CCSLC, the reader is advised that the above post may contain large amounts of sarcasm, dry humour, or statements which should not be taken in any true sort of seriousness. As a result, the above poster absolves himself of any and all blame in the event that a forum user responds to the aforementioned post without taking the previous notice into account. Thank you for your cooperation, and enjoy your stay at the CCSLC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopard88 Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Yinz is missin' a lot of stuff that's goin' on places besides Dahntahn, so grab a pawp outta da icebawx and turn on da History Channel for awhahl. You mean the Hitlerly Channel? I mean, I never thought you could shoehorn in something about the Nazis on a program about farming in Medieval times until I turned on the History Channel... It's easy, Fred.The Jews controlled the land and the means of farming production throughout medieval Europe. It was during this period of time that they began to exploit the innocent Aryan peasants from whom Hitler was descended, control world banking and set up a secret world government financed by farm revenue. From there, it was inevitable that a fascist movement would arise to subjugate and attempt to exterminate the Jews of central Europe during the first half of the 20th Century.How is that shoehorning? Most Liked Content of the Day -- February 15, 2017, August 21, 2017, August 22, 2017 ///// Proud Winner of the CCSLC Post of the Day Award -- April 8, 2008 Originator of the Upside Down Sarcasm Smilie -- November 1, 2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Back to the mentioning of the 1812 Overture, I don't think it would work, as the celebration of victory over an extremely democratic (for its day) regime by an oppressive absolute monarchy just wouldn't work for a team named "Patriots." BUT C'MON DUDE ITS COOL BECAUSE IT'S LIKE DADADADADADADADADADAAAAAAABOOOOOOOMDADADADADADADADADADAAAAAAABOOOOOOOM ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maz Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Let me explain...I meant everyday americans, not history majors, historians, anything like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopard88 Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Let me explain...I meant everyday americans, not history majors, historians, anything like that. I think we all knew what you meant. I can't speak for everybody else, but my response was directed at the horrendous lack of knowledge that average Americans have about the rest of the world. You just happened to open the door that we all charged through, so it really wasn't meant to be personal (except the Pittsburgh accent was too much to pass up).You're right that most Americans don't know about the Napoleonic wars. However, it is something they should know and care about because their outcome ultimately reshaped European history (and, by extension, American history). Most Liked Content of the Day -- February 15, 2017, August 21, 2017, August 22, 2017 ///// Proud Winner of the CCSLC Post of the Day Award -- April 8, 2008 Originator of the Upside Down Sarcasm Smilie -- November 1, 2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaperAirplane31 Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 I'd go with Song #2. It's got something you can sing along to. But taking away that song is like taking away turkey on Thanksgiving, or Fireworks on the 4th of July. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HedleyLamarr Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 This is crazy insane. What does someone's personal life have to do with the greatest stadium anthem of all-time? Nothing. Grow up, NFL. Simple - the NFL doesn't want a pedophile receiving royalties due to their use of his music. It might be perceived as tarnishing the squeaky-clean, corporate image. And yet songs done by alcoholics, wife-beaters, or drug addicts is just fine by them?A bit of a hypocricy here I would think.If the NFL banned all songs done by artists who've had a checkered past I think the only music they'd have left would be James Taylor and Huey Lewis........I've just been told James Taylor is also an ex-junkie and his songs will also be banned by the NFL moral police. And then, if there's time, work on clearing out the players who've committed crimes..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJTank Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 What a joke how many people even know who Gary Glitter is all there is is that song. www.sportsecyclopedia.com For the best in sports history go to the Sports E-Cyclopedia at http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred T. Jane Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 What a joke how many people even know who Gary Glitter is all there is is that song. Yeah, what a joke. How many people know about Napoleon's invasion of Russia...Man, that was almost too easy! [Croatia National Team Manager Slavan] Bilic then went on to explain how Croatia's success can partially be put down to his progressive man-management techniques. "Sometimes I lie in the bed with my players. I go to the room of Vedran Corluka and Luka Modric when I see they have a problem and I lie in bed with them and we talk for 10 minutes." Maybe Capello could try getting through to his players this way too? Although how far he'd get with Joe Cole jumping up and down on the mattress and Rooney demanding to be read his favourite page from The Very Hungry Caterpillar is open to question. --The Guardian's Fiver, 08 September 2008 Attention: In order to obtain maximum enjoyment from your stay at the CCSLC, the reader is advised that the above post may contain large amounts of sarcasm, dry humour, or statements which should not be taken in any true sort of seriousness. As a result, the above poster absolves himself of any and all blame in the event that a forum user responds to the aforementioned post without taking the previous notice into account. Thank you for your cooperation, and enjoy your stay at the CCSLC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapshot Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 This is crazy insane. What does someone's personal life have to do with the greatest stadium anthem of all-time? Nothing. Grow up, NFL. Simple - the NFL doesn't want a pedophile receiving royalties due to their use of his music. It might be perceived as tarnishing the squeaky-clean, corporate image. And yet songs done by alcoholics, wife-beaters, or drug addicts is just fine by them?A bit of a hypocricy here I would think.If the NFL banned all songs done by artists who've had a checkered past I think the only music they'd have left would be James Taylor and Huey Lewis........I've just been told James Taylor is also an ex-junkie and his songs will also be banned by the NFL moral police. And then, if there's time, work on clearing out the players who've committed crimes..... So, what do you do with the other 31 teams?And who plays in Paul Brown Stadium? Back-to-Back Fatal Forty Champion 2015 & 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentomushi5150 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 I may be in the minority here, but I have zero problem with the Patriots not using rock and roll part 2. For one, the guys a pedarest, and that's just not cool. I know musicians often do illegal things, but child porn is way past the realm of getting drunk in your hotel room or getting with a groupie here or there. Secondly, that song is just lame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclopsis Joe Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Let me explain...I meant everyday americans, not history majors, historians, anything like that. I'm from the Southern United States, I watch NASCAR and I hate anyone who's from north of Virginia.And I know about Napoleon's fall in Russia and how it was creepy that Hitler got stopped basically the same way. Russia just used the elements against them. (And wave after wave of soldiers)So there, y'all. I don't speak for democrats, democrats don't speak for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardsfan124 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 That sucks. The Chiefs (and maybe some other teams) always chant "We're gonna beat the hell outta you" during the song.Thunderstruck is more of a song that gets you pumped up (like before the kickoff). It doesn't work for a touchdown celebration. Don't the Rams play a BTO song (I forget what it's called) for their touchdowns, because it sounds pretty cool.the rams started using the budweiser jingle "Here comes the king" this season after they score. a song made famous by the St.Louis Cardinals Organist Ernie Hays and which is played at Busch Stadium and Savvis Center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockchalk Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Okay, so am I the only one to think about it this way...Gary Glitter is in Vietnamese jail for kiddie porn charges. Is there a worst possible combination? As for the song, understandable for the reasoning, but honestly, how many people knew that he was in jail or even cared? Just a blanket statement from a scared corporation afraid someone might say something somewhere down the line. I've decided to give up hope for all sports teams I follow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopard88 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 What a joke how many people even know who Gary Glitter is all there is is that song. Yeah, what a joke. How many people know about Napoleon's invasion of Russia.... . . all there is the pastry and the movie about the dorky kid from Idaho with the weird family. Most Liked Content of the Day -- February 15, 2017, August 21, 2017, August 22, 2017 ///// Proud Winner of the CCSLC Post of the Day Award -- April 8, 2008 Originator of the Upside Down Sarcasm Smilie -- November 1, 2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korkie Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 What a joke how many people even know who Gary Glitter is all there is is that song. Yeah, what a joke. How many people know about Napoleon's invasion of Russia.... . . all there is the pastry and the movie about the dorky kid from Idaho with the weird family. And the ice cream flavor... ( ) "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed."Dr. Kelso: My son is a big baseball fan. Not so much playing it, but more the designing and sewing of uniforms.Tyler: That's neat.Dr. Kelso: No, it's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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