IceCap Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 they caught him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintsfan Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 as an opponent of the war, let me say what good news this is! I have never been in favour of Saddam and view him as one of the world's nastier leaders. However, the USA and the UN still have to provide a stable and lasting alternative, if Iraq is not going to suffer greater damage! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEAD! Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Yeah! Great news. I woke up, turn on the TV and there he was, with a beard that would make Osama jealous! I just hope his capture does not deter from the real problems that ordinary Iraqis face everyday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JQK Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Some fantastic ... This will help in getting peace to that area, as Saddam's thugs don't have their leader anymore.What a way to wake up!Merry Christmas, Iraq..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habsfannova Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 It's a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-kj Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 So, after many months of war, the U.S. finally did capture the leader of a previously sovereign nation. Whee. Let the colonization continue post haste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clyon81 Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 However, the USA and the UN still have to provide a stable and lasting alternative, if Iraq is not going to suffer greater damage!The UN has provided nothing. I hope that you guys will wake up and realize the true nature of the United Nations. And those of you who bow down to them, in time, Saddam will seem like a puppy compared to what this body is going to unleash on all of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJTank Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Amen Cylon the UN is not only ineffective at taking care of dictators and ethnic clensing they are apotental dange to liberty and freedom if they ever get to contorl the whole world which I belive is their ultimate goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintsfan Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Amen Cylon the UN is not only ineffective at taking care of dictators and ethnic clensing they are apotental dange to liberty and freedom if they ever get to contorl the whole world which I belive is their ultimate goal.Yeah and its not the goal of the USA????? The UN may not be perfect but its a dam sight nearer a good organisation for stabilizing the world and producing a peaceful and safe world than the current US government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habsfannova Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 You guys are on cocaine......The UN is just a peacemaking body. It's not trying to take over the world..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkrdevil Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 This is great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!By looking at the video it seems that the citizens of Iraq are happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clyon81 Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Yeah and its not the goal of the USA????? The UN may not be perfect but its a dam sight nearer a good organisation for stabilizing the world and producing a peaceful and safe world than the current US government.My guess is you didnt feel this way in somollia. You have to wake up and realize that even though you have Bush, for whichever reason, it's better to be governed by an American President, then by a non-elected, over funded, beauracracy.Your answer seems to be, instead of waiting 4 years for your chance at control, you want our government to answer to yet another body of government. I think I can speak for most, when I say that we allready have too much. A government body that recognizes countries like Cuba and North Korea for human rights, while excusing the United States from being a role player in the same area. They have also told Canada to stop spanking their children, and for the United States to implement a stronger Gun control.The United nations, on the face represents many countries, but they really want to represent ALL of them. It scares me when I hear the dem. presidential candidates all unanimously talking about turning over power of the war, on a global scale, to a government body, not by, of, or for the people. Im afraid, it's inevitable, that you will get your wish. Right now there are tons of UN military equipment stationed around the United States, in places like Montana, and other remote areas. We are seeing the early stages of their effort to "globalize" many things. Ultimately governing the world. This nation is not an empire. If it were, just about everybody on the planet would be waving the star spangled banner. It's very selfish to think that because you have the freedom to do as you wish, we should ignore the plea of those in pain and suffering. Our main goal was to, yes, watch out for number one, as are most agendas, but it doesnt hurt to know that we will give others a chance at governing themselves, though no nation, even this one, can last as a "democracy". We were a republic. Since we have "become" a democracy, we have eaten away at our own rights by making wrong "interpretations" of our unaleinable rights, and new "laws" to govern the "new age"I don't want to go on a rant. It just makes me sick to think that you would rather answer to all the nations of the world, like China, Russia, Germany, France. Which one of these have proven throughout history to be a peaceful nation? But like most issues, you don't want to move to those places that represent your socialist ideals, but you want to force those upon me, in my home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clyon81 Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 You guys are on cocaine......The UN is just a peacemaking body. It's not trying to take over the world.....Would you put your money run in a bank full of bank robbers? What have they done, other then pass laws and "resolutions" on paper? They depend on countries like the US for financial support, and for doing all the dirty work. Now they want to come in and take control. They could at least stick to their script. Against the war? Ok, but now they think they can take over to establish peace. What country has the UN governed? They have no experience governing. They are a body made up of ambassadors, appointed by the people who represent their countries. You want tot give the ambassadors, and the people they have elected authority over all things. The UN does nothing but take credit for the good, and write things down on paper. You will see what their objective is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habsfannova Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 The United States-->Killing PeopleThe United Nations--->Not Killing PeopleThe UN doesn't support Dictators any more then they support the United States. THat's the whole Idea: Everyone with a different voice.It was a good thing Sadaam is captured, but the ends certainly did not justify the means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clyon81 Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 There is not a nation without blood on their hands. Be it foreign, or domestic. What law(s) do you use to govern what is right, and what is not? If its what you feel, then you must understand that other people see things differently then yourself. If you say by the law of man, Hitler declared jews not persons in Nazi Germany. So what unalienable law do you think we should be governed by? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habsfannova Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 You misunderstand me. I'm only stating that the UN does not want power, it is merley a peace orginization, made so that fellow nations can talk out their difficulties and allow others to judge. I mean, what would have happened in the Cuban Missle Crisis in 1962, when the US embarassed the Soviet Union and showed their errors? What about the Suez Crisis? Without UN intervention, Britain and France would have started a huge war there with the USSR. It is EXTREMLEY ludicrous to think that the "United Nations wants to dominate the world". It's just a forum for international voices.War is wrong, war is obsolete, war is a human disgrace. There are other methods to solve problems, even when they seem unstopable.War is also STUPID when combatting Terrorism. Terrorism is the weapon of those who do NOT have a voice to get attention. It is the poor against the weak. A war is only going to inflame terror. The only thing that can solve terrorism is the United States coming to grips with the geo-political situation and figuring how to prevent wronging others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintsfan Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 The United nations, on the face represents many countries, but they really want to represent ALL of them. We are seeing the early stages of their effort to "globalize" many things. Ultimately governing the world. This nation is not an empire. If it were, just about everybody on the planet would be waving the star spangled banner. I don't want to go on a rant. It just makes me sick to think that you would rather answer to all the nations of the world, like China, Russia, Germany, France. Which one of these have proven throughout history to be a peaceful nation? But like most issues, you don't want to move to those places that represent your socialist ideals, but you want to force those upon me, in my home.Wow! What cr*p!Thw whole point of the UN is to represent all the nations of the world, not just those with the power and money to go bullying there way around the globe. How does the UN want to goven the world exactly? Do you have any examples? No because you are talking BS.The US is an empire. It may act very differently from previous empires, but the way the US is trying to export its values and ideals to all parts of the globe is entirely imperial. And the USA can hardly claim to be a peaceful nation. I doubt any other country has invaded as many countries (Grenada, Panama, heck Iraq even for instance) in the last 20 years. And what about Vietnam and the most recent war in Iraq, as examples of the US starting wars on very questionable grounds. I am British and really don't care if you live under socialist ideals or not, I just think that the rule of law should count when dealing with international conflict! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlucas4092 Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 You know what, I'm against this war, I'm not a fan of the president here, and I'm supporting the cantidate that is the most anti-war out there (Howard Dean).That said, today is not a day for politics. Today is a day to celebrate the fact that Saddam is out of power COMPLETELY. HIs sons are dead, and he is in the most secure prison ever built. This thing is going to be more secure than the "Federal Pound Me In The Ass" prisons in "Office Space". Debate the UN vs USA crap tomorrow guys. Just enjoy today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notch Novelty Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Bin Your Next!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusebazell Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 You know what, I'm against this war, I'm not a fan of the president here, and I'm supporting the cantidate that is the most anti-war out there (Howard Dean).WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA! Dean supported the war in congress. Now he changes his mind and doesn't support. Even though I can't stand Bush, this guy is a flip flopper and I don't want him in office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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