SabreGuy Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 HA! What happened to the days of fat shoe laces and break dancin'?I actually think fat shoe laces and break dancin' are back in style again. I could be wrong, but I swear I saw a guy break dancing on a commercial the other day. "You could put an empty orange helmet on the 50-yard line at Cleveland Browns Stadium and 50,000 fans would show up to stare at it."-Terry Pluto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powersurge Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 HA! What happened to the days of fat shoe laces and break dancin'?I actually think fat shoe laces and break dancin' are back in style again. I could be wrong, but I swear I saw a guy break dancing on a commercial the other day.I'm having that very same feeling right now that my parents probably had when the bell bottom fashions came back in style again for like two minutes back in the 90's. Should have kept the old threads.....damn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamikel Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 2. Whatever happened to the days when gangsters tried to show their status by dressing up instead of down? Tailored suits, silk shirts, ties ... gangsters used to want to look like the richest guy in the room, like the mayor or Frank Sinatra, not like the poorest guy in the room. And it's not a race thing. Your average Italian, Russian, and other white gangsters dress like unemployed slobs these days too. At least the sociopaths of old had some style. ("Say what you will about the tenets of National Socialism, at least it was an ethos.")Well, the average gang member is a low-level peon who makes less than minimum wage, so i don't think that tailored suits are really an option. If you want to learn more about it, read the book "Freakonomics." It has a really interesting chapter on gang life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leedsunited Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Corporations like New Era looking to profit on the gang lifestyle are the lowest of the low. Anything for a buck, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG_ThenNowForever Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Corporations like New Era looking to profit on the gang lifestyle are the lowest of the low. Anything for a buck, eh?New Era, Paramount Pictures, Sony Music, Viacom, NBC Universal, YouTube, Xbox, and the list goes on. I think a distinction, however, is that New Era is almost (maybe not even) openly selling gang paraphernalia. 1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said: and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
So_Fla Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 It's all about the Benjamin's baby!New Era knows that the hats will not have the brim sticker taken off of it. The brim never curved and left as flat a possible. It will only be worn a few times before it is discarded and another one will be purchased at $32.00.It is about product turn-over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leedsunited Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Corporations like New Era looking to profit on the gang lifestyle are the lowest of the low. Anything for a buck, eh?New Era, Paramount Pictures, Sony Music, Viacom, NBC Universal, YouTube, Xbox, and the list goes on. I think a distinction, however, is that New Era is almost (maybe not ever) openly selling gang paraphernalia.I don't think there's an almost about it, it's clear that they are pandering to that certain demographic.Quite different from a movie studio producing entertainment, or even the video game industry (sometimes no less reprehensible in its marketing, however). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallWonk Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 2. Whatever happened to the days when gangsters tried to show their status by dressing up instead of down? Tailored suits, silk shirts, ties ... gangsters used to want to look like the richest guy in the room, like the mayor or Frank Sinatra, not like the poorest guy in the room. And it's not a race thing. Your average Italian, Russian, and other white gangsters dress like unemployed slobs these days too. At least the sociopaths of old had some style. ("Say what you will about the tenets of National Socialism, at least it was an ethos.")Well, the average gang member is a low-level peon who makes less than minimum wage, so i don't think that tailored suits are really an option. If you want to learn more about it, read the book "Freakonomics." It has a really interesting chapter on gang life.Even better on that subject and the wider cultural setting than the fascinating Freakonomics chapter is Off the Books: The Underground Economy of the Urban Poor, by Sudhir Alladi Venkatesh. One of the truly important books of the decade.But the thesis that the cost of apparel, rather than social mores, drives the gang member or gangster-wannabe's choice of clothing style doesn't stand up even to casual scrutiny. It costs no more to dress in upwardly mobile aspirational business attire than it does to dress in today's latest street fashion. I mean, the fact that some are opting to pay, what, $33 or so for New Era's simulated bandana as opposed to the $2 or so that an actual colored bandana costs is evidence enough right there that this is a matter of fashion preference, not budget-counscioiusness. And that says nothing of the price of socially acceptable athletic jerseys, pants, and shoes in this case, both of which tend to have significantly higher pricetags than the average hep-cat outfit. I mean, I have bespoke jackets that cost less than an authentic numbered jersey. Price is a neutral factor in an individual's choice between a tailored jacket and a Michael Vick jersey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 When I worked at Lids in Santa Ana and Westminister we had similar problems with the "Bandito" (Yeah, thats great. Not only make a hat that promotes the gangster lifestyle and sell it in a highly hispanic area, but also give it a Spanish name, you know, be conspicious about it too) hat.Thats a bit unfair, no? I'm sure they sell the hat in most areas and not just stocking them in locations with higher Hispanic residents.Yeah, good point. It just seemed quite coincidental to me. Sorry for over generalizing. On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred T. Jane Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Even better on that subject and the wider cultural setting than the fascinating Freakonomics chapter is Off the Books: The Underground Economy of the Urban Poor, by Sudhir Alladi Venkatesh. One of the truly important books of the decade.Point for the uninformed: Venkatesh introduced Levitt to the topic and contributed immensely to that chapter in Freakonomics. [Croatia National Team Manager Slavan] Bilic then went on to explain how Croatia's success can partially be put down to his progressive man-management techniques. "Sometimes I lie in the bed with my players. I go to the room of Vedran Corluka and Luka Modric when I see they have a problem and I lie in bed with them and we talk for 10 minutes." Maybe Capello could try getting through to his players this way too? Although how far he'd get with Joe Cole jumping up and down on the mattress and Rooney demanding to be read his favourite page from The Very Hungry Caterpillar is open to question. --The Guardian's Fiver, 08 September 2008 Attention: In order to obtain maximum enjoyment from your stay at the CCSLC, the reader is advised that the above post may contain large amounts of sarcasm, dry humour, or statements which should not be taken in any true sort of seriousness. As a result, the above poster absolves himself of any and all blame in the event that a forum user responds to the aforementioned post without taking the previous notice into account. Thank you for your cooperation, and enjoy your stay at the CCSLC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJTank Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Corporations like New Era looking to profit on the gang lifestyle are the lowest of the low. Anything for a buck, eh?Yes MLB should demand they stop doing this or find a new hat maker. www.sportsecyclopedia.com For the best in sports history go to the Sports E-Cyclopedia at http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Corporations like New Era looking to profit on the gang lifestyle are the lowest of the low. Anything for a buck, eh?Yes MLB should demand they stop doing this or find a new hat maker.Considering just how much the MLB has invested in New Era, and considering just how much New Era makes off of their product, I highly doubt either entity cares all that much. Sad but probably true. On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M59 Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Yet another trip to the intersection of Unbridled Capitalism Boulevard and Moron Lane.Such refreshing a.m. reading! BTW, when did this forum turn into a book club? Now I'm going to have to run to the library! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powersurge Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Yet another trip to the intersection of Unbridled Capitalism Boulevard and Moron Lane.Such refreshing a.m. reading! BTW, when did this forum turn into a book club? Now I'm going to have to run to the library!How would you like your tea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfen29 Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Wow, this is unbelievable. Anything for a buck, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winters in buffalo Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 That settles it... I'm going back to bed. Wake me when common sense makes a comeback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M59 Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Yet another trip to the intersection of Unbridled Capitalism Boulevard and Moron Lane.Such refreshing a.m. reading! BTW, when did this forum turn into a book club? Now I'm going to have to run to the library!How would you like your tea?No milk, plenty of sugar, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 2. Whatever happened to the days when gangsters tried to show their status by dressing up instead of down? Tailored suits, silk shirts, ties ... gangsters used to want to look like the richest guy in the room, like the mayor or Frank Sinatra, not like the poorest guy in the room. And it's not a race thing. Your average Italian, Russian, and other white gangsters dress like unemployed slobs these days too. At least the sociopaths of old had some style. ("Say what you will about the tenets of National Socialism, at least it was an ethos.")Well, the average gang member is a low-level peon who makes less than minimum wage, so i don't think that tailored suits are really an option. If you want to learn more about it, read the book "Freakonomics." It has a really interesting chapter on gang life.Even better on that subject and the wider cultural setting than the fascinating Freakonomics chapter is Off the Books: The Underground Economy of the Urban Poor, by Sudhir Alladi Venkatesh. One of the truly important books of the decade.But the thesis that the cost of apparel, rather than social mores, drives the gang member or gangster-wannabe's choice of clothing style doesn't stand up even to casual scrutiny. It costs no more to dress in upwardly mobile aspirational business attire than it does to dress in today's latest street fashion. I mean, the fact that some are opting to pay, what, $33 or so for New Era's simulated bandana as opposed to the $2 or so that an actual colored bandana costs is evidence enough right there that this is a matter of fashion preference, not budget-counscioiusness. And that says nothing of the price of socially acceptable athletic jerseys, pants, and shoes in this case, both of which tend to have significantly higher pricetags than the average hep-cat outfit. I mean, I have bespoke jackets that cost less than an authentic numbered jersey. Price is a neutral factor in an individual's choice between a tailored jacket and a Michael Vick jersey.youre right, i mean if these guys had to choose between a mitchell and ness and a tailored suit to at least look classy at your neighborhood drive by they would choose the mitchell anyday. not to mention your everyday gangster may be making minimum wage the legit way however they have other ways of making income. "I don't understand where you got this idea so deeply ingrained in your head (that this world) is something that you must impress, cause I couldn't care less"http://keepdcunited.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallWonk Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 not to mention your everyday gangster may be making minimum wage the legit way however they have other ways of making income.To clarify: what the recent generation of serious economics research into criminal activity shows is that most full-time members of criminal enterprises, such as your average low-level drug dealer or enforcer or whatever, actually make less than the legal minimum wage on a per-hour basis. Factor in the relatively short periods of earning time available due to arrests, prison time, injuries, death, and whatnot, and it's a fantastically bad way to earn a living. Simply put, the average joe would be much better off, from a basic cash-in-the-wallet standpoint, working the counter at McDonald's than joining a gang and selling drugs. Very counterintuitive: You'd think that the criminal lifestyle would at least offer more ready cash than entry-level unskilled shift-work. But no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powersurge Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 That settles it... I'm going back to bed. Wake me when common sense makes a comeback.see ya in 2160. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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