rams80 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 I would say BuffaloNo, no, no. If a tournament to find Loserville, USA were actually held, Buffalo would be the favorite that breezed to the finals, only to be upset by Cleveland on a controversial call that failed to bring the Browns' pre-Super Bowl NFL championships into account. Buffalo citizens, outraged that they can't even win at losing, would be bitter and angry at ESPN for decades to come.Well why cant Buffalo's back to back AFL titles count?Buffalo won an 8-team league in 1964 and 1965. Compared to today's standards, that feat would be like making the Conference Title Game in back-to-back years.Same goes with Cleveland counting AAFC Titles.I think not.The Browns won 4 stright AAFC titles then backed it up by winning the NFL championship in there first year in the NFL.Has any other team won an NFL title their first year of joining the NFL?No, and it will never happen again.I seem to recall that particular edition of the Cleveland Browns being less "The Cleveland Browns" and more "The AAFC All Star team". I'd hope your all star team would win a league title. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infrared41 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 I would say BuffaloNo, no, no. If a tournament to find Loserville, USA were actually held, Buffalo would be the favorite that breezed to the finals, only to be upset by Cleveland on a controversial call that failed to bring the Browns' pre-Super Bowl NFL championships into account. Buffalo citizens, outraged that they can't even win at losing, would be bitter and angry at ESPN for decades to come.Well why cant Buffalo's back to back AFL titles count?Buffalo won an 8-team league in 1964 and 1965. Compared to today's standards, that feat would be like making the Conference Title Game in back-to-back years.Same goes with Cleveland counting AAFC Titles.I think not.The Browns won 4 stright AAFC titles then backed it up by winning the NFL championship in there first year in the NFL.Has any other team won an NFL title their first year of joining the NFL?No, and it will never happen again.I seem to recall that particular edition of the Cleveland Browns being less "The Cleveland Browns" and more "The AAFC All Star team". I'd hope your all star team would win a league title.You seem to recall? How old are you 85? So it shouldn't count then? If that's the case, I say we take away The Yankees titles in '77 & '78, and The Marlins win in '97. I'm sure there are more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 There is one big, huge, glaring omission from the cities that have been nominated on this thread so far.Milwaukee.The Packers don't count - they haven't even played a game in Milwaukee in about 15 years. The Brewers have been to exactly one World Series in franchise history, and lost it. The Bucks haven't had a sniff of the NBA Finals since the '70s. Marquette was once a college basketball powerhouse but their heyday is long gone. UW-Milwaukee is, well, UW-Milwaukee. Did I miss anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 I would say BuffaloNo, no, no. If a tournament to find Loserville, USA were actually held, Buffalo would be the favorite that breezed to the finals, only to be upset by Cleveland on a controversial call that failed to bring the Browns' pre-Super Bowl NFL championships into account. Buffalo citizens, outraged that they can't even win at losing, would be bitter and angry at ESPN for decades to come.Well why cant Buffalo's back to back AFL titles count?Buffalo won an 8-team league in 1964 and 1965. Compared to today's standards, that feat would be like making the Conference Title Game in back-to-back years.Same goes with Cleveland counting AAFC Titles.I think not.The Browns won 4 stright AAFC titles then backed it up by winning the NFL championship in there first year in the NFL.Has any other team won an NFL title their first year of joining the NFL?No, and it will never happen again.I seem to recall that particular edition of the Cleveland Browns being less "The Cleveland Browns" and more "The AAFC All Star team". I'd hope your all star team would win a league title.You seem to recall? How old are you 85? So it shouldn't count then? If that's the case, I say we take away The Yankees titles in '77 & '78, and The Marlins win in '97. I'm sure there are more.OK...should have added "reading".That said, the justification for factoring in the Browns' AAFC titles was their subsequent NFL title. If its a different crew that won the NFL title, said justification falls flat. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infrared41 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 I would say BuffaloNo, no, no. If a tournament to find Loserville, USA were actually held, Buffalo would be the favorite that breezed to the finals, only to be upset by Cleveland on a controversial call that failed to bring the Browns' pre-Super Bowl NFL championships into account. Buffalo citizens, outraged that they can't even win at losing, would be bitter and angry at ESPN for decades to come.Well why cant Buffalo's back to back AFL titles count?Buffalo won an 8-team league in 1964 and 1965. Compared to today's standards, that feat would be like making the Conference Title Game in back-to-back years.Same goes with Cleveland counting AAFC Titles.I think not.The Browns won 4 stright AAFC titles then backed it up by winning the NFL championship in there first year in the NFL.Has any other team won an NFL title their first year of joining the NFL?No, and it will never happen again.I seem to recall that particular edition of the Cleveland Browns being less "The Cleveland Browns" and more "The AAFC All Star team". I'd hope your all star team would win a league title.You seem to recall? How old are you 85? So it shouldn't count then? If that's the case, I say we take away The Yankees titles in '77 & '78, and The Marlins win in '97. I'm sure there are more.OK...should have added "reading".That said, the justification for factoring in the Browns' AAFC titles was their subsequent NFL title. If its a different crew that won the NFL title, said justification falls flat.How so? Rosters change every season. I guess we'd better take away The Celtics title this season because the look of the team was so much different from last year. Let's face it, without Allen and Garnett there's no way that team wins it all. So they added new, better players and won. What's the difference? The number of new players? How many does it take before we decide that it's too many for a title to count? A win is a win period. The Browns won that title regardless of who was playing for them or where they came from. If we're going to start qualifying titles based on subjective criteria such as who is new on the roster from the year before then we're going to be here a while arguing every title since the first World Series. Just saying... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PittsburghSucks Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 I would say BuffaloNo, no, no. If a tournament to find Loserville, USA were actually held, Buffalo would be the favorite that breezed to the finals, only to be upset by Cleveland on a controversial call that failed to bring the Browns' pre-Super Bowl NFL championships into account. Buffalo citizens, outraged that they can't even win at losing, would be bitter and angry at ESPN for decades to come.Well why cant Buffalo's back to back AFL titles count?Buffalo won an 8-team league in 1964 and 1965. Compared to today's standards, that feat would be like making the Conference Title Game in back-to-back years.Same goes with Cleveland counting AAFC Titles.I think not.The Browns won 4 stright AAFC titles then backed it up by winning the NFL championship in there first year in the NFL.Has any other team won an NFL title their first year of joining the NFL?No, and it will never happen again.I seem to recall that particular edition of the Cleveland Browns being less "The Cleveland Browns" and more "The AAFC All Star team". I'd hope your all star team would win a league title.You seem to recall? How old are you 85? So it shouldn't count then? If that's the case, I say we take away The Yankees titles in '77 & '78, and The Marlins win in '97. I'm sure there are more.OK...should have added "reading".That said, the justification for factoring in the Browns' AAFC titles was their subsequent NFL title. If its a different crew that won the NFL title, said justification falls flat.It wasn't "a different crew". The Browns AAFC teams were mostly the same players that joined the NFL in the 1950 season. I believe that any of those 4 AAFC Browns teams could have contended and or won an NFL title. They also went into Philly and beat the defending NFL champs for their first NFL game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 I would say BuffaloNo, no, no. If a tournament to find Loserville, USA were actually held, Buffalo would be the favorite that breezed to the finals, only to be upset by Cleveland on a controversial call that failed to bring the Browns' pre-Super Bowl NFL championships into account. Buffalo citizens, outraged that they can't even win at losing, would be bitter and angry at ESPN for decades to come.Well why cant Buffalo's back to back AFL titles count?Buffalo won an 8-team league in 1964 and 1965. Compared to today's standards, that feat would be like making the Conference Title Game in back-to-back years.Same goes with Cleveland counting AAFC Titles.I think not.The Browns won 4 stright AAFC titles then backed it up by winning the NFL championship in there first year in the NFL.Has any other team won an NFL title their first year of joining the NFL?No, and it will never happen again.I seem to recall that particular edition of the Cleveland Browns being less "The Cleveland Browns" and more "The AAFC All Star team". I'd hope your all star team would win a league title.You seem to recall? How old are you 85? So it shouldn't count then? If that's the case, I say we take away The Yankees titles in '77 & '78, and The Marlins win in '97. I'm sure there are more.OK...should have added "reading".That said, the justification for factoring in the Browns' AAFC titles was their subsequent NFL title. If its a different crew that won the NFL title, said justification falls flat.How so? Rosters change every season. I guess we'd better take away The Celtics title this season because the look of the team was so much different from last year. Let's face it, without Allen and Garnett there's no way that team wins it all. So they added new, better players and won. What's the difference? The number of new players? How many does it take before we decide that it's too many for a title to count? A win is a win period. The Browns won that title regardless of who was playing for them or where they came from. If we're going to start qualifying titles based on subjective criteria such as who is new on the roster from the year before then we're going to be here a while arguing every title since the first World Series. Just saying...I'm not saying their NFL title shouldn't count. I'm saying that because of the changes, we don't know if the Cleveland Browns that won 4 straight AAFC titles would have actually won the NFL title. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illwauk Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 There is one big, huge, glaring omission from the cities that have been nominated on this thread so far.Milwaukee.The Packers don't count - they haven't even played a game in Milwaukee in about 15 years. The Brewers have been to exactly one World Series in franchise history, and lost it. The Bucks haven't had a sniff of the NBA Finals since the '70s. Marquette was once a college basketball powerhouse but their heyday is long gone. UW-Milwaukee is, well, UW-Milwaukee. Did I miss anyone?Milwaukee is still subject to the same blackout laws as Green Bay when it comes to the Packers... they're a Milwaukee team.Marquette made the Final Four in 2003... not exactly yesterday, but not what I would consider "long gone" by any means.The Bucks made the ECF in 2001. And in light of recent evidence may have literally had their chance at the NBA Finals stolen from them.UWM made the Sweet Sixteen in 2005, which is really as far as you can realistically expect a Horizon League team to go.The Brewers... well... if one of the criteria for "loserville" is lack of fan support, then the fact that the Brewers have never been at the bottom of MLB in attendance (despite some TERRIBLE teams in the past 15 years) bumps them off the list.And if we're including minor league teams, then Milwaukee has 2 indoor soccer titles, an AHL title, and a USL title all in the 21st century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luigi74 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 The Browns may have had the best team in all of football during the AAFC years but the rest of the league was garbage.Folks from Burning River City need to come to grips with the fact that of the cities with three or more Major League pro teams they are at the top of the list for Loser-Ville. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infrared41 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 I'm not saying their NFL title shouldn't count. I'm saying that because of the changes, we don't know if the Cleveland Browns that won 4 straight AAFC titles would have actually won the NFL title.We don't know that they wouldn't have either so your argument still falls flat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infrared41 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 The Browns may have had the best team in all of football during the AAFC years but the rest of the league was garbage.Folks from Burning River City need to come to grips with the fact that of the cities with three or more Major League pro teams they are at the top of the list for Loser-Ville.Cute. Did you think of that one all by yourself? Or did you dust it off from the 70's and simply hope you could fool people into thinking it was an original? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maz Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 The Browns may have had the best team in all of football during the AAFC years but the rest of the league was garbage.Folks from Burning River City need to come to grips with the fact that of the cities with three or more Major League pro teams they are at the top of the list for Loser-Ville.Cute. Did you think of that one all by yourself? Or did you dust it off from the 70's and simply hope you could fool people into thinking it was an original?...or maybe he just wanted to use the phrase?just sayin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infrared41 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 The Browns may have had the best team in all of football during the AAFC years but the rest of the league was garbage.Folks from Burning River City need to come to grips with the fact that of the cities with three or more Major League pro teams they are at the top of the list for Loser-Ville.Cute. Did you think of that one all by yourself? Or did you dust it off from the 70's and simply hope you could fool people into thinking it was an original?...or maybe he just wanted to use the phrase?just sayin......or maybe I was being sarcastic? just sayin'... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-kj Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Ahem. Civility please, gentlemen. Buy some t-shirts and stuff at KJ Shop! KJ Branded | Behance portfolio POTD 2013-08-22 On 7/14/2012 at 2:20 AM, tajmccall said: When it comes to style, ya'll really should listen to Kev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 I'm not saying their NFL title shouldn't count. I'm saying that because of the changes, we don't know if the Cleveland Browns that won 4 straight AAFC titles would have actually won the NFL title.We don't know that they wouldn't have either so your argument still falls flat.True.Of course, since the NFL champion at the time also won a scarcely larger 10 team league, maybe I should conceed defeat and call it "moot". On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infrared41 Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 I'm not saying their NFL title shouldn't count. I'm saying that because of the changes, we don't know if the Cleveland Browns that won 4 straight AAFC titles would have actually won the NFL title.We don't know that they wouldn't have either so your argument still falls flat.True.Of course, since the NFL champion at the time also won a scarcely larger 10 team league, maybe I should conceed defeat and call it "moot".Or we could both concede and call it what it is...our opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luigi74 Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 The Browns may have had the best team in all of football during the AAFC years but the rest of the league was garbage.Folks from Burning River City need to come to grips with the fact that of the cities with three or more Major League pro teams they are at the top of the list for Loser-Ville.Cute. Did you think of that one all by yourself? Or did you dust it off from the 70's and simply hope you could fool people into thinking it was an original?Hey it's what the Cleveland Roller Derby team call's itself.http://www.burningriverrollergirls.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infrared41 Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 The Browns may have had the best team in all of football during the AAFC years but the rest of the league was garbage.Folks from Burning River City need to come to grips with the fact that of the cities with three or more Major League pro teams they are at the top of the list for Loser-Ville.Cute. Did you think of that one all by yourself? Or did you dust it off from the 70's and simply hope you could fool people into thinking it was an original?Hey it's what the Cleveland Roller Derby team call's itself.http://www.burningriverrollergirls.com/Roller Derby? We have a Roller Derby team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luigi74 Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 The Browns may have had the best team in all of football during the AAFC years but the rest of the league was garbage.Folks from Burning River City need to come to grips with the fact that of the cities with three or more Major League pro teams they are at the top of the list for Loser-Ville.Cute. Did you think of that one all by yourself? Or did you dust it off from the 70's and simply hope you could fool people into thinking it was an original?Hey it's what the Cleveland Roller Derby team call's itself.http://www.burningriverrollergirls.com/Roller Derby? We have a Roller Derby team?Yes a all GIRL roller derby team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usahockeyrube Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 Minnesota- other than the Twins and Gopher Hockey, we got nothin'Vikes- 4 super bowls, 15-1, 41-0, losing the NFC north title on the last play of the season in 2003, the Herschel Walker trade, love boat.Gophers- football hasn't been revelant since the 1960's. 1997 Final Four team cheatedT-Wolves- too many to mention, trading away KG.North Stars- leave and win a Stanley Cup in DallaCleveland is the only city I can put in our league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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