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If so, I hope his plane crashes into Fenway park.

That would be hilarious

Gosh I hope this isn't true.

GO TO THE NATS TEX!!!

I thought the SAME thing.

Amen to that guys!

If true (which I do think will eventually be), that will completely do it for my interest in the MLB....I said it before in another thread...Until they wise up and put a salary cap in place to curb damn near all the league's stars being courted by (and some going to) the Yankess, Red Sox, Mets, and other insanely high payroll teams...Then I want nothing to do with their product....

Why? The Red Sox payroll could be less this year than it was last year -- even with Teixeira. In fact, it probably will be less this year than last. Besides, would you rather these owners pocket all the money? Besides, creating an all-star team is probably the least effective way of building a Championship team.

With a salary cap, the Yankees and Red Sox would just find other ways to use their biggest advantage.

Would your tone be a tad different if the report was Tex to the Yankees? I'd bet so....

Try being a Blue Jays or Orioles fan. With the Rays having a young World Series caliber team, it doesn't look good for a couple more years for Baltimore and Toronto.

Or a Nats fan, like myself...And right there is where I am coming from...My team has ZERO chance of landing quality free agents when the aforementioned teams pay way above market value. The Marlins GM had it right a few weeks ago when he called out Yanks GM Cashman saying his spending tactics "irresponsible".....And as a result of all this...The Nats will stink for a LONG time....and this is the case for alot of teams...The O's....The Jays...The Pirates....and the list goes on and on....

Right, that's where I'm coming from. And quite frankly in 5 years or so the Rays (unfortunately) will be back to the bottom unless they lay down the money to keep all of these guys. It's stupid how a team can spend 6x as much money as another team.

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Let me put it this way, Nats fans, you don't really WANT Teixeira. He's a cancer, who alienates clubhouses and doesn't hit in April. The 20-something million would be much better off going into other hands.

we can use the extra $20m per year for a new rotation, invest in the minor teams, and potentially pickup a more affordable 1B unless an act of god has cured Nick Johnson of all injuries now and forever.

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If so, I hope his plane crashes into Fenway park.

That would be hilarious

Gosh I hope this isn't true.

GO TO THE NATS TEX!!!

I thought the SAME thing.

Amen to that guys!

If true (which I do think will eventually be), that will completely do it for my interest in the MLB....I said it before in another thread...Until they wise up and put a salary cap in place to curb damn near all the league's stars being courted by (and some going to) the Yankess, Red Sox, Mets, and other insanely high payroll teams...Then I want nothing to do with their product....

Why? The Red Sox payroll could be less this year than it was last year -- even with Teixeira. In fact, it probably will be less this year than last. Besides, would you rather these owners pocket all the money? Besides, creating an all-star team is probably the least effective way of building a Championship team.

With a salary cap, the Yankees and Red Sox would just find other ways to use their biggest advantage.

Would your tone be a tad different if the report was Tex to the Yankees? I'd bet so....

Try being a Blue Jays or Orioles fan. With the Rays having a young World Series caliber team, it doesn't look good for a couple more years for Baltimore and Toronto.

Or a Nats fan, like myself...And right there is where I am coming from...My team has ZERO chance of landing quality free agents when the aforementioned teams pay way above market value. The Marlins GM had it right a few weeks ago when he called out Yanks GM Cashman saying his spending tactics "irresponsible".....And as a result of all this...The Nats will stink for a LONG time....and this is the case for alot of teams...The O's....The Jays...The Pirates....and the list goes on and on....

Right, that's where I'm coming from. And quite frankly in 5 years or so the Rays (unfortunately) will be back to the bottom unless they lay down the money to keep all of these guys. It's stupid how a team can spend 6x as much money as another team.

BINGO....I call it now...When Longoria becomes a free agent...Who will jack up his price? The Yanks? Perhaps the Red Sox? Mets maybe? They'd be my guess....

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If true (which I do think will eventually be), that will completely do it for my interest in the MLB....I said it before in another thread...Until they wise up and put a salary cap in place to curb damn near all the league's stars being courted by (and some going to) the Yankess, Red Sox, Mets, and other insanely high payroll teams...Then I want nothing to do with their product....

I'm gonna have to agree with you to an extent. Boston is a World Series quality team without Tex, with him it's starting to become just plain unfair. And don't give me that crap about how you can't buy a title. When you're a World Series quality team without an MVP quality guy, what do you think you are with him? Uggh. Thank god for AAA baseball.

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If so, I hope his plane crashes into Fenway park.

That would be hilarious

Gosh I hope this isn't true.

GO TO THE NATS TEX!!!

I thought the SAME thing.

Amen to that guys!

If true (which I do think will eventually be), that will completely do it for my interest in the MLB....I said it before in another thread...Until they wise up and put a salary cap in place to curb damn near all the league's stars being courted by (and some going to) the Yankess, Red Sox, Mets, and other insanely high payroll teams...Then I want nothing to do with their product....

Why? The Red Sox payroll could be less this year than it was last year -- even with Teixeira. In fact, it probably will be less this year than last. Besides, would you rather these owners pocket all the money? Besides, creating an all-star team is probably the least effective way of building a Championship team.

With a salary cap, the Yankees and Red Sox would just find other ways to use their biggest advantage.

Would your tone be a tad different if the report was Tex to the Yankees? I'd bet so....

Try being a Blue Jays or Orioles fan. With the Rays having a young World Series caliber team, it doesn't look good for a couple more years for Baltimore and Toronto.

Or a Nats fan, like myself...And right there is where I am coming from...My team has ZERO chance of landing quality free agents when the aforementioned teams pay way above market value. The Marlins GM had it right a few weeks ago when he called out Yanks GM Cashman saying his spending tactics "irresponsible".....And as a result of all this...The Nats will stink for a LONG time....and this is the case for alot of teams...The O's....The Jays...The Pirates....and the list goes on and on....

Right, that's where I'm coming from. And quite frankly in 5 years or so the Rays (unfortunately) will be back to the bottom unless they lay down the money to keep all of these guys. It's stupid how a team can spend 6x as much money as another team.

BINGO....I call it now...When Longoria becomes a free agent...Who will jack up his price? The Yanks? Perhaps the Red Sox? Mets maybe? They'd be my guess....

Exactly.

Of course, which will draw more people to Nationals Park, Mark Texiera or 2-3 smaller role-playing guys?

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Exactly.

Of course, which will draw more people to Nationals Park, Mark Texiera or 2-3 smaller role-playing guys?

Neither UNLESS Tex is on the Red Sox then The Red Sox, Mets, Phillies, Brewers and Cubs will draw more fans to the stadium :P

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Exactly.

Of course, which will draw more people to Nationals Park, Mark Texiera or 2-3 smaller role-playing guys?

Neither UNLESS Tex is on the Red Sox then The Red Sox, Mets, Phillies, Brewers and Cubs will draw more fans to the stadium :P

I................don't know.....That huge Daniel Cabrera signing has gotta be worth 4.....maybe 5 more fans a game in DC..... :rolleyes:

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Exactly.

Of course, which will draw more people to Nationals Park, Mark Texiera or 2-3 smaller role-playing guys?

Neither UNLESS Tex is on the Red Sox then The Red Sox, Mets, Phillies, Brewers and Cubs will draw more fans to the stadium :P

I................don't know.....That huge Daniel Cabrera signing has gotta be worth 4.....maybe 5 more fans a game in DC..... :rolleyes:

Maybe some O's fans too who were just captivated by his pitching dynamics and strikeout accuracy :D

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Exactly.

Of course, which will draw more people to Nationals Park, Mark Texiera or 2-3 smaller role-playing guys?

Neither UNLESS Tex is on the Red Sox then The Red Sox, Mets, Phillies, Brewers and Cubs will draw more fans to the stadium :P

I................don't know.....That huge Daniel Cabrera signing has gotta be worth 4.....maybe 5 more fans a game in DC..... :rolleyes:

Maybe some O's fans too who were just captivated by his pitching dynamics and strikeout accuracy :D

Yeah... I think the government should bailout the Nationals so they can buy talent and help the Washington economy :P

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Exactly.

Of course, which will draw more people to Nationals Park, Mark Texiera or 2-3 smaller role-playing guys?

Neither UNLESS Tex is on the Red Sox then The Red Sox, Mets, Phillies, Brewers and Cubs will draw more fans to the stadium :P

I................don't know.....That huge Daniel Cabrera signing has gotta be worth 4.....maybe 5 more fans a game in DC..... :rolleyes:

Maybe some O's fans too who were just captivated by his pitching dynamics and strikeout accuracy :D

Yeah... I think the government should bailout the Nationals so they can buy talent and help the Washington economy :P

Maybe the Nats can workout a deal for Obama in the starting rotation; of course, he can only pitch when the team is at home but hey, it's been done before.

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Exactly.

Of course, which will draw more people to Nationals Park, Mark Texiera or 2-3 smaller role-playing guys?

Neither UNLESS Tex is on the Red Sox then The Red Sox, Mets, Phillies, Brewers and Cubs will draw more fans to the stadium :P

I................don't know.....That huge Daniel Cabrera signing has gotta be worth 4.....maybe 5 more fans a game in DC..... :rolleyes:

Maybe some O's fans too who were just captivated by his pitching dynamics and strikeout accuracy :D

Yeah... I think the government should bailout the Nationals so they can buy talent and help the Washington economy :P

Maybe the Nats can workout a deal for Obama in the starting rotation; of course, he can only pitch when the team is at home but hey, it's been done before.

That could work...

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No...they really aren't...The only difference...One spends like mad and has won a couple titles....The other spends like mad and craps the bed...Eventually the roles will reverse...The constant? Over spending and damn near putting lowly clubs out of business

This (thread in general but I'll keep the focus here) is some of the dumbest :censored: I have read in a while, especially the last part. Yes, I'm a Red Sox fan. Attack me because my favorite team has a lot of money and they have been winning recently, go ahead. I'm not saying this because I am in denial about the spending power of the Red Sox; I'm saying it because it is total crap.

You really think that not signing big name FAs is putting the bad clubs out of business? Well, no, signing them is actually probably just a dumb, desperate, and short-sighted move. So great, you get Mark Teixeira for 10 years. One of the best players in the league. Your #8 TV market might fill the seats for a year or two but before you can correctly spell "Teixeira" they're out of there. Why? Because your team is still crap. And they stay away, for 8 more years, because you're still paying $22 million per year to an old superstar lug. You think Nick Johnson is your problem? Well, he's not. He's part of the problem but the entire Nationals team is the problem. Johnson is actually playing better than most of the players when he's healthy. Everyone else just mostly sucks.

So what to do? How about the Tampa Bay Rays. I hate the bastards but they go through a decade of being the laughingstock of the entire league, quietly accumulating a :censored:-load of stud #1 picks and cheap young talent. While in their first few years they piled up old, overpaid players like Greg Vaughn, Vinny Castilla, Wade Boggs, and and Fred McGriff to fill seats, they paid dearly for it and started to wisen up. The drafted guys like Carl Crawford and BJ Upton with these great picks, completely jacked Scott Kazmir from the Mets, and once Friedman came to town this continued even more. they raped the Twins so far in taking Matt Garza for Delmon Young and all this time have built up the absolute scariest farm system, from top to bottom, at every position, I can imagine, which finally this year spilled into the majors. One of the lowest-spending teams in the league, and guess what? They used their money to build up young, cost-controllable players who they can lock up and perennially compete. And I'll believe it when I see it but according to most of their fans, ticket sales will skyrocket this year and presumably for years to come. Or how about the Marlins, who always spend $20 million on payroll but are scheduled to win their 3rd world series (kidding) in 12 years this year. They let their big overrated free agents they don't need walk and use that to build another young, contending team and somehow they never even fall below .500. There is something wrong with their fans but even without the supposedly taken-for-granted principle that people come to see winners (which your Nats should follow) they take their tiny payroll and what do they do? Win! Every freaking year! Now they can even build a new stadium, which your Nats just did, so you should be ahead of them, no?

Or, you can spend $2.6 million on flameouts like Daniel Cabrera, acquire washed up ex-Reds like Austin Kearns and Wily Mo Pena and dangle $200 million to Mark Teixeira so he can come and rescue your franchise single-handedly. Guess what? It won't freaking happen! The Nationals don't have the team around him to compete for a title, and this would at most be a few-year attendance stopgap. Instead, you could take all that boatload of money we know you have and invest it in the lower levels of the organization to build a winning program from the ground up, and one that eventually will compete year-in and year-out, and what do you know, fulfill your desired goal of filling asses into the seats of that shiny new stadium.

That's why you're wrong. The Yankees spend $243 million on risky free agents who get old and end up spending bajillions of dollars on washed up egos. They have these stud prospects at SP, Hughes and Kennedy, but after 1 blip in their development they sign two FAs to monstrous contracts that should push at least one of them out of the rotation, and it damages their farm system as a result. Which is why I'm okay with the endless cycle of spending the Yankees are, because it always hurts them. It's why I'm so proud to support the Red Sox, who are no angels but if you take a look, cost-controlled homegrown talent is starting everywhere. One just won MVP and another came in 3rd, and another is Jon Lester. It's a great luxury to be able to gamble on a free agent and lose (e.g. Julio Lugo, Mark Teixeira maybe even), but you know what? I don't mind if we don't get Teixeira because there's always a Lars Anderson waiting in the wings. Theo has built this system so that we are loaded with always-developing young talent which can always produce for the big club, get traded for bigger talent or other young talent, and let us gamble on a big free agent once in a while. And once that free agent is washed up, we will always have some young player there to replace him. The replenishing factor. The money is a bonus. THAT's the difference.

Back to your last point though, again, it is complete bull crap. What higher payroll teams can do is afford to gamble on these bigtime players. I won't lie, it is most definitely an advantage. And hey, they lose on those gambles more often than you think. But losing out on these free agents is driving these lowly teams out of business? No, teams like the Marlins and Rays are living damn proof why those lowly teams are only killing themselves.

Yes, this was a rant but I'm pretty sure I meant all of it.

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No...they really aren't...The only difference...One spends like mad and has won a couple titles....The other spends like mad and craps the bed...Eventually the roles will reverse...The constant? Over spending and damn near putting lowly clubs out of business

This (thread in general but I'll keep the focus here) is some of the dumbest :censored: I have read in a while, especially the last part. Yes, I'm a Red Sox fan. Attack me because my favorite team has a lot of money and they have been winning recently, go ahead. I'm not saying this because I am in denial about the spending power of the Red Sox; I'm saying it because it is total crap.

You really think that not signing big name FAs is putting the bad clubs out of business? Well, no, it's actually probably a dumb, desperate, and short-sighted move. So great, you get Mark Teixeira for 10 years. One of the best players in the league. Your #8 TV market might fill the seats for a year or two but before you can correctly spell "Teixeira" they're out of there. Why? Because your team is still crap. And they stay away, for 8 more years, because you're still paying $22 million per year to an old superstar lug. You think Nick Johnson is your problem? Well, he's not. He's part of the problem but the entire Nationals team is the problem. Johnson is actually playing better than most of the players when he's healthy. Everyone else just mostly sucks.

So what to do? How about the Tampa Bay Rays. I hate the bastards but they go through a decade of being the laughingstock of the entire league, quietly accumulating a :censored:-load of stud #1 picks and cheap young talent. While in their first few years they piled up old, overpaid players like Greg Vaughn, Vinny Castilla, Wade Boggs, and and Fred McGriff to fill seats, they paid dearly for it and started to wisen up. The drafted guys like Carl Crawford and BJ Upton with these great picks, completely jacked Scott Kazmir from the Mets, and once Friedman came to town this continued even more. they raped the Twins so far in taking Matt Garza for Delmon Young and all this time have built up the absolute scariest farm system, from top to bottom, at every position, I can imagine, which finally this year spilled into the majors. One of the lowest-spending teams in the league, and guess what? They used their money to build up young, cost-controllable players who they can lock up and perennially compete. And I'll believe it when I see it but according to most of their fans, ticket sales will skyrocket this year and presumably for years to come. Or how about the Marlins, who always spend $20 million on payroll but are scheduled to win their 3rd world series (kidding) in 12 years this year. They let their big overrated free agents they don't need walk and use that to build another young, contending team and somehow they never even fall below .500. There is something wrong with their fans but even without the supposedly taken-for-granted principle that people come to see winners (which your Nats should follow) they take their tiny payroll and what do they do? Win! Every freaking year! Now they can even build a new stadium, which your Nats just did, so you should be ahead of them, no?

Or, you can spend $2.6 million on flameouts like Daniel Cabrera, acquire washed up ex-Reds like Austin Kearns and Wily Mo Pena and dangle $200 million to Mark Teixeira so he can come and rescue your franchise single-handedly. Guess what? It won't freaking happen! The Nationals don't have the team around him to compete for a title, and this would at most be a few-year attendance stopgap. Instead, you could take all that boatload of money we know you have and invest it in the lower levels of the organization to build a winning program from the ground up, and one that eventually will compete year-in and year-out, and what do you know, fulfill your desired goal of filling asses into the seats of that shiny new stadium.

That's why you're wrong. The Yankees spend $243 million on risky free agents who get old and end up spending bajillions of dollars on washed up egos. They have these stud prospects at SP, Hughes and Kennedy, but after 1 blip in their development they sign two FAs to monstrous contracts that should push at least one of them out of the rotation, and it damages their farm system as a result. Which is why I'm okay with the endless cycle of spending the Yankees are, because it always hurts them. It's why I'm so proud to support the Red Sox, who are no angels but if you take a look, cost-controlled homegrown talent is starting everywhere. One just won MVP and another came in 3rd, and another is Jon Lester. It's a great luxury to be able to gamble on a free agent and lose (e.g. Julio Lugo, Mark Teixeira maybe even), but you know what? I don't mind if we don't get Teixeira because there's always a Lars Anderson waiting in the wings. Theo has built this system so that we are loaded with young talent which can produce for the big club, get traded for bigger talent or other young talent, and let us gamble on a big free agent once in a while. And once that free agent is washed up, we will always have some young player there to replace him. The replenishing factor. The money is a bonus. THAT's the difference.

Back to your last point though, again, it is complete bull crap. What higher payroll teams can do is afford to gamble on these bigtime players. I won't lie, it is most definitely an advantage. And hey, they lose on those gambles more often than you think. But losing out on these free agents is driving these lowly teams out of business? No, teams like the Marlins and Rays are living damn proof why those lowly teams are only killing themselves.

The things that bother me is you have the Yanks and Sox compete every year, and then there's the Rockies from '07 who just about fell off the map this year, and I really think that sure these low budget teams have the prospects, they won't lay down the money to do so. I'm not going to disagree with you on the Nationals situation, but a major issue is not getting top draft picks signed. Personally, I think if the Nats can sign Tex, they can build a team around him and Zimmermann in the next few years. I really do.

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The vast majority of Red Sox 2009 roster will be made up of players who are a result of the Red Sox drafting well and developing their own talent, and on occasion, trading that talent. Very few of the players were large free agent signings -- Drew, Lugo, and Dice-K is all, I believe, and Lugo's role will be minimal (and they overpayed for Lugo and Drew because it was a bad market). Maybe Teixeira eventually.

Out of the top five payrolls, one of them made the playoffs. So why does everyone complain so much about payroll when it's been proven that a higher payroll =/= success? Successful baseball teams begin with the farm system and mid-level free agent pickups. If throwing money around made such a difference, wouldn't the Yankees have won something recently?

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The things that bother me is you have the Yanks and Sox compete every year, and then there's the Rockies from '07 who just about fell off the map this year, and I really think that sure these low budget teams have the prospects, they won't lay down the money to do so. I'm not going to disagree with you on the Nationals situation, but a major issue is not getting top draft picks signed. Personally, I think if the Nats can sign Tex, they can build a team around him and Zimmermann in the next few years. I really do.

The Rockies I think overachieved in 2007 and had a really unlucky 2008. It was sad to see that kind of collapse. But you're kind of contradicting yourself, if the Nationals spend all this money we didn't know they had to get Teixeira, where's the money to develop a farm system? It's in Tex's pockets. There's maybe your difference between taking a guy who you know will want a huge bonus in the draft and passing him up for a mediocre prospect. Between scouting and signing a hot international prospect and not. And by the time these guys will be MLB ready anyway, Teix will be 33, 34 years old. You have to commit. if you bring in Teixeira, your ability to build a team is inherently hampered. And that's the same with the Red Sox too; they were able to spend a lot on the draft this year because all they did last year was re-sign guys... they did exactly what I just described, take risks on guys who would be hard to sign and signed them. With Teixeira this becomes less of an option.

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