Rockstar Matt Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Wow... that was a rant if I've ever seen one on a comment I made about Minnesota and St. Louis working their stadium situations out. It wasn't made as a slam towards Los Angeles or the West Coast at all, so let me break it down for you. Once again, I'm not trying to talk down to you, but I figure you deserve an explanation on my thoughts about relocation since you didn't resort to getting too personal on your comments.Yes, a lot of my favorite teams are on the East Coast or Midwest, because I grew up in the former and have family in the latter, but I was born in San Antonio. Despite my own distaste of professional basketball and David Stern sometimes, which I'm not going to get into in this thread. I do know what it's like to be born and grow up for a while in a one-team town, or a fan-base that passionately supports one team among many. I don't believe in relocation at all, and you're talking to a person, despite being born in 1983, wishes that the Baltimore Colts, original Cleveland Browns, Los Angeles Rams, as well as Oakland Raiders never moved from their cities. I don't want to see anyone lose their team, and I've lost one of my own in the Seattle Supersonics, who I can't root for in their current incarnation as the Oklahoma City Thunder, because of the fact it was our team at one time. I know it's a business and simply a branch of the entertainment industry, but in my personal opinion, it doesn't make it right, at least not to me. If I had my way, you'd have the Rams back, and only the Rams, while the other moves would be reversed and expansion teams would be given and/or swapped with cities like Indianapolis and St. Louis just to name a few.Yes, corporations have taken the passion out of most sporting events, where the actual stadium is now located in one's living room, with their closest friends, and it will be that way until the end of time probably. Los Angeles deserves a team, not two, not three, just one. Though because I say that, I know that some city will lose their team and that's unfortunate, because even though I harp on the Jacksonville Jaguars for existing. I'm sure there a kid there who loves them and doesn't want to see them move.That's my actual opinion, and if you wish to think I live in the East Coast and only recognize their sports franchises, that's fine. But in reality, it's not the case.Haha, yes sorry. My comment became me replying to your post into me convincing myself that two teams in LA would work. Ugh, the Sonics being the Thunder... That disgusts me more than anything in sports besides the Boston Celtics (Haha, sorry, Laker fan through and through). But, seriously I don't know people think I react personally to comments made by strangers. Take note for all who are reading, I don't take anything personally. I know where to draw the line... I just can get a bit enthusiastic when I state my opinion Cowboys - Lakers - LAFC - USMNT - LA Rams - LA Kings - NUFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockstar Matt Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Rams take Farmers Field as their home stadium, and the Jags take the City of Industry stadium as their home field. Both distinct home fields, and in two separate areas. It could, and will work.Ed Roski, the developer behind the City of Industry stadium plan, can argue all he likes to the contrary, but there won't be a need for two NFL-calibre stadiums - each playing host to a different NFL franchise - in Greater Los Angeles. Part of the reason that NFL executives and owners reportedly prefer AEG's downtown plan is that sources of revenue-generation are increased by having the facility double as both a stadium and part of the adjacent Los Angeles Convention Center. Similarly, by having said stadium house two NFL teams, it immediately goes from hosting at least eight regular-season games a season to hosting 16. Revenues are again increased.Bottom line? If AEG gets Farmers built, Roski's City of Industry plan is dead-in-the-water. Done Kaput. Finis.To me, that's a shame. That stadium looked lovely, albeit, they are planning to build it in a s***hole. Cowboys - Lakers - LAFC - USMNT - LA Rams - LA Kings - NUFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMROWE Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 NHL.Coyotes - WinnipegThrashers - Hamilton\Quebec CityPanthers - Kansas CityExpansion - Quebec City\HamiltonExpansion - Portland\SeattleNFLJaguars - Los AngelesNBA.Kings - AnahiemClippers - Las VegasMLB.Expansion - CharlotteExpansion - VancouverCFL.Expansion - OttawaExpansion - MonctonExpansion - HalifaxExpansion - Quebec CityExpansion - London\WindsorExpansion - VictoriaMLSExpansion - MontrealExpansion - HamiltonExpansion - PhoenixExpansion - Atlanta Expansion - FloridaExpansion - St. Louis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante_X Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 MLS in Montreal is already done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosrs1 Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 NHL.Coyotes - WinnipegThrashers - Hamilton\Quebec CityPanthers - Kansas CityExpansion - Quebec City\HamiltonExpansion - Portland\SeattleNFLJaguars - Los AngelesNBA.Kings - AnahiemClippers - Las VegasMLB.Expansion - CharlotteExpansion - VancouverCFL.Expansion - OttawaExpansion - MonctonExpansion - HalifaxExpansion - Quebec CityExpansion - London\WindsorExpansion - VictoriaMLSExpansion - MontrealExpansion - HamiltonExpansion - PhoenixExpansion - Atlanta Expansion - FloridaExpansion - St. LouisWow you are expansion happy. Sadly (or luckily as your view may be) I think you seriously overestimate future expansion for the CFL, MLS and the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosrs1 Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Bottom line? If AEG gets Farmers built, Roski's City of Industry plan is dead-in-the-water. Done Kaput. Finis.That is absolutely true. But Roski's stadium is much closer to completion, AEG's naming rights deal notwithstanding. There's no guarantee that AEG gets the environmental waivers, and if they don't the new NFL team will be playing in Industry.How do you figure Roski's is closer to completion? The Environmental Review for the Downtown stadium will be finished sooner or later, that's all that is at issue. But either way it will be rubber stamped in the end. Roski on the other hand doesn't have the funding for his stadium in place while AEG for the most part is very close to having it done. Roski's stadium has about as much likelihood of getting built at this point as the "Statue of Responsibility" does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerslionspistonshabs Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 NFLSt. Louis Rams move to L.A. and become the L.A. RamsThe year after, Arizona Cardinals move and become the St. Louis Cardinals once againEveryone is happy.NHLPhoenix Coyotes move to WinnipegAtlanta Thrashers move to Quebec CityMLBArizona Diamondbacks move to PortlandNBASacramento to San JoseNew Orleans to Seattle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 NFLArizona Cardinals move and become the St. Louis Cardinals once againExcept the people in Glendale who just built a state-of-the-art aluminum bean for the Cardinals to play in, and the people in St. Louis who never totally took to the Gridbirds the first time around. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosrs1 Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 NFLMLBArizona Diamondbacks move to PortlandWhy would the Diamondbacks move from their relatively new ballpark in a bigger city to a smaller city with no ballpark and no political capital to get one built? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMac12 Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 NFLMLBArizona Diamondbacks move to PortlandWhy would the Diamondbacks move from their relatively new ballpark in a bigger city to a smaller city with no ballpark and no political capital to get one built?Possibly to rifle me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 NFLArizona Cardinals move and become the St. Louis Cardinals once againExcept the people in Glendale who just built a state-of-the-art aluminum bean for the Cardinals to play in, and the people in St. Louis who never totally took to the Gridbirds the first time around.The people of St. Louis will only come out for a Super Bowl contender, and you propose resurrecting the Bid Dead?! WTF?! On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerslionspistonshabs Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 NFLMLBArizona Diamondbacks move to PortlandWhy would the Diamondbacks move from their relatively new ballpark in a bigger city to a smaller city with no ballpark and no political capital to get one built?Ok ok...Charlotte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 NFLMLBArizona Diamondbacks move to PortlandWhy would the Diamondbacks move from their relatively new ballpark in a bigger city to a smaller city with no ballpark and no political capital to get one built?Ok ok...Charlotte.Why would the Diamondbacks move from their relatively new ballpark in a bigger city to a smaller city with no ballpark and no political capital to get one built? On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerslionspistonshabs Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Actually just move all 4 Phoenix teams to Vegas to play in the new UNLV stadium. It works out well and here's some reasons why:- They can split on moving truck, except the Coyotes because they have no money to spend- There will be no scheduling conflicts as long as the Suns and Coyotes play on alternating days and never on Sundays to allow the Cards to play- Neither team will be in the playoffs in April or May, so only minimal conflict with the D-Backs, possibly only for the first week of April- Diamondbacks won't be in the playoffs in October to conflict with the Suns or Coyotes. No September Sunday games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The_Admiral Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Amusing trolling, but Las Vegas is even more of a real estate nightmare than Phoenix is. The banks are foreclosing on every square inch of that town. I think they foreclosed on a hotel. If Las Vegas can't even pay the mortgages on its hotels, man, you're in a bad place. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosrs1 Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 NFLMLBArizona Diamondbacks move to PortlandWhy would the Diamondbacks move from their relatively new ballpark in a bigger city to a smaller city with no ballpark and no political capital to get one built?Ok ok...Charlotte.Same problem. You're advocating moving a losing team that still draws 25,000 a game from a city of 1.6 million to a city of 750,000 that has no ballpark and no guarantee they'd build one. Same goes for the suggestion above of moving the Cardinals. They sell out every game and in a much bigger city already than Vegas or St. Louis. There is a Phoenix team that needs to be moved, but they don't play on grass... (well they may play on grass based on how bad they are but they're feet aren't on grass). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwabel Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Amusing trolling, but Las Vegas is even more of a real estate nightmare than Phoenix is. The banks are foreclosing on every square inch of that town. I think they foreclosed on a hotel. If Las Vegas can't even pay the mortgages on its hotels, man, you're in a bad place.+1. People are just naming major U.S. cities and that poster likes to re-post those mock logos on any thread.Correct, a minor group investor in the Hard Rock Hotel attempted to force a foreclosure, but they reached an agreement on Monday. However, the Harmon Hotel in the CityCenter project is incomplete and may be demolished. Same goes for the Fontainebleau.Sands Corp. (The Ventian) is cutting comps to lower and mid-level players, and the chairman of the Nevada Gaming Control Board says he expects more casino bankruptcies in the stagnant economy, 2.7% visitor growth in Las Vegas from 2009 to 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lights Out Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 NBA.Kings - AnahiemClippers - Las VegasMLB.Expansion - CharlotteExpansion - VancouverFirst off, the Clippers are profitable in the #2 media market in the country and have a favorable lease at Staples. I don't know why people always think they're going to move - other than the franchise's poor history and reputation, which is not a valid reason to relocate - because there is no way that Sterling is going to move the Clippers anytime soon.Second of all, the Kings in Anaheim? LA has two teams. A third team in a nearby city/suburb/whatever would be a complete disaster.Thirdly, Vancouver? In the MLB? Keep dreaming. POTD: 2/4/12 3/4/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Vancouver is a growing city, and baseball is still quite popular in Canada (though I don't know if it's as big out west as it is in Ontario and Quebec). I'd rather see the AL make a go of Vancouver than Charlotte or Portland, to be honest. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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