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Cardinal fans: Get the ceremonial knives out, because Albert Pujols ain't going to be in St. Louis after this season.

You can't assume now that he's gone after the season. The rejected offer actually happened a couple weeks ago, reportedly. It's just now getting out because of how private the talks are remaining. I don't think he'll sign before Spring Training. And even though he won't negotiate during the season doesn't mean his agent and the Cardinals won't have "talks". How do you go 6 months without ever at least chatting about it. I think he'll go into free agency, but eventually both teams will go up/come down on the price (Cards will probably make the most concessions) and he'll be signed. It's mainly the length of the contract that's the issue. With a 10-year deal, he'll be 41 during the final year of the contract. If anybody deserves to be signed through that age it's him, but that's still a pretty high risk. I'd definately say give him $30m/year over 7 or 8 years, but if he wants 10, then the annual price needs to come down. He definately deserves to be paid more than A-Rod, but he and the Yankees (and Rangers) screwed up everything.

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Cardinal fans: Get the ceremonial knives out, because Albert Pujols ain't going to be in St. Louis after this season.

You can't assume now that he's gone after the season. The rejected offer actually happened a couple weeks ago, reportedly. It's just now getting out because of how private the talks are remaining. I don't think he'll sign before Spring Training. And even though he won't negotiate during the season doesn't mean his agent and the Cardinals won't have "talks". How do you go 6 months without ever at least chatting about it. I think he'll go into free agency, but eventually both teams will go up/come down on the price (Cards will probably make the most concessions) and he'll be signed. It's mainly the length of the contract that's the issue. With a 10-year deal, he'll be 41 during the final year of the contract. If anybody deserves to be signed through that age it's him, but that's still a pretty high risk. I'd definately say give him $30m/year over 7 or 8 years, but if he wants 10, then the annual price needs to come down. He definately deserves to be paid more than A-Rod, but he and the Yankees (and Rangers) screwed up everything.

Your assumption the Yankees or Sawx won't just completely go over the top on the Cardinals next offseason is likely flawed.

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Cardinal fans: Get the ceremonial knives out, because Albert Pujols ain't going to be in St. Louis after this season.

There's also a team north of the border with one of the richest owners in pro sports and an $86 albatross off the books.

Hey, I can dream.

I agree that Vernon Wells was worth about $86.

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Cardinal fans: Get the ceremonial knives out, because Albert Pujols ain't going to be in St. Louis after this season.

You can't assume now that he's gone after the season. The rejected offer actually happened a couple weeks ago, reportedly. It's just now getting out because of how private the talks are remaining. I don't think he'll sign before Spring Training. And even though he won't negotiate during the season doesn't mean his agent and the Cardinals won't have "talks". How do you go 6 months without ever at least chatting about it. I think he'll go into free agency, but eventually both teams will go up/come down on the price (Cards will probably make the most concessions) and he'll be signed. It's mainly the length of the contract that's the issue. With a 10-year deal, he'll be 41 during the final year of the contract. If anybody deserves to be signed through that age it's him, but that's still a pretty high risk. I'd definately say give him $30m/year over 7 or 8 years, but if he wants 10, then the annual price needs to come down. He definately deserves to be paid more than A-Rod, but he and the Yankees (and Rangers) screwed up everything.

Your assumption the Yankees or Sawx won't just completely go over the top on the Cardinals next offseason is likely flawed.

Although these teams do have Teixiera and Gonzalez right now...

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Cardinal fans: Get the ceremonial knives out, because Albert Pujols ain't going to be in St. Louis after this season.

There's also a team north of the border with one of the richest owners in pro sports and an $86 albatross off the books.

Hey, I can dream.

I agree that Vernon Wells was worth about $86.

Freudian slip.

Of course I meant $86mil.

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Cardinal fans: Get the ceremonial knives out, because Albert Pujols ain't going to be in St. Louis after this season.

You can't assume now that he's gone after the season. The rejected offer actually happened a couple weeks ago, reportedly. It's just now getting out because of how private the talks are remaining. I don't think he'll sign before Spring Training. And even though he won't negotiate during the season doesn't mean his agent and the Cardinals won't have "talks". How do you go 6 months without ever at least chatting about it. I think he'll go into free agency, but eventually both teams will go up/come down on the price (Cards will probably make the most concessions) and he'll be signed. It's mainly the length of the contract that's the issue. With a 10-year deal, he'll be 41 during the final year of the contract. If anybody deserves to be signed through that age it's him, but that's still a pretty high risk. I'd definately say give him $30m/year over 7 or 8 years, but if he wants 10, then the annual price needs to come down. He definately deserves to be paid more than A-Rod, but he and the Yankees (and Rangers) screwed up everything.

Your assumption the Yankees or Sawx won't just completely go over the top on the Cardinals next offseason is likely flawed.

Although these teams do have Teixiera and Gonzalez right now...

Setting aside the fact that Pujols is a slight upgrade over them, there's also this thing called the DH. Maybe you've heard of it.

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Cardinal fans: Get the ceremonial knives out, because Albert Pujols ain't going to be in St. Louis after this season.

You can't assume now that he's gone after the season. The rejected offer actually happened a couple weeks ago, reportedly. It's just now getting out because of how private the talks are remaining. I don't think he'll sign before Spring Training. And even though he won't negotiate during the season doesn't mean his agent and the Cardinals won't have "talks". How do you go 6 months without ever at least chatting about it. I think he'll go into free agency, but eventually both teams will go up/come down on the price (Cards will probably make the most concessions) and he'll be signed. It's mainly the length of the contract that's the issue. With a 10-year deal, he'll be 41 during the final year of the contract. If anybody deserves to be signed through that age it's him, but that's still a pretty high risk. I'd definately say give him $30m/year over 7 or 8 years, but if he wants 10, then the annual price needs to come down. He definately deserves to be paid more than A-Rod, but he and the Yankees (and Rangers) screwed up everything.

Your assumption the Yankees or Sawx won't just completely go over the top on the Cardinals next offseason is likely flawed.

Although these teams do have Teixiera and Gonzalez right now...

Setting aside the fact that Pujols is a slight upgrade over them, there's also this thing called the DH. Maybe you've heard of it.

Of course, this is true. <_<

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Cardinal fans: Get the ceremonial knives out, because Albert Pujols ain't going to be in St. Louis after this season.

You can't assume now that he's gone after the season. The rejected offer actually happened a couple weeks ago, reportedly. It's just now getting out because of how private the talks are remaining. I don't think he'll sign before Spring Training. And even though he won't negotiate during the season doesn't mean his agent and the Cardinals won't have "talks". How do you go 6 months without ever at least chatting about it. I think he'll go into free agency, but eventually both teams will go up/come down on the price (Cards will probably make the most concessions) and he'll be signed. It's mainly the length of the contract that's the issue. With a 10-year deal, he'll be 41 during the final year of the contract. If anybody deserves to be signed through that age it's him, but that's still a pretty high risk. I'd definately say give him $30m/year over 7 or 8 years, but if he wants 10, then the annual price needs to come down. He definately deserves to be paid more than A-Rod, but he and the Yankees (and Rangers) screwed up everything.

Your assumption the Yankees or Sawx won't just completely go over the top on the Cardinals next offseason is likely flawed.

Although these teams do have Teixiera and Gonzalez right now...

Setting aside the fact that Pujols is a slight upgrade over them, there's also this thing called the DH. Maybe you've heard of it.

Of course, this is true. <_<

As long as one of the other guys agree to switch. Pujols won't DH.

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Cardinal fans: Get the ceremonial knives out, because Albert Pujols ain't going to be in St. Louis after this season.

You can't assume now that he's gone after the season. The rejected offer actually happened a couple weeks ago, reportedly. It's just now getting out because of how private the talks are remaining. I don't think he'll sign before Spring Training. And even though he won't negotiate during the season doesn't mean his agent and the Cardinals won't have "talks". How do you go 6 months without ever at least chatting about it. I think he'll go into free agency, but eventually both teams will go up/come down on the price (Cards will probably make the most concessions) and he'll be signed. It's mainly the length of the contract that's the issue. With a 10-year deal, he'll be 41 during the final year of the contract. If anybody deserves to be signed through that age it's him, but that's still a pretty high risk. I'd definately say give him $30m/year over 7 or 8 years, but if he wants 10, then the annual price needs to come down. He definately deserves to be paid more than A-Rod, but he and the Yankees (and Rangers) screwed up everything.

Your assumption the Yankees or Sawx won't just completely go over the top on the Cardinals next offseason is likely flawed.

Although these teams do have Teixiera and Gonzalez right now...

Setting aside the fact that Pujols is a slight upgrade over them, there's also this thing called the DH. Maybe you've heard of it.

Of course, this is true. <_<

As long as one of the other guys agree to switch. Pujols won't DH.

Unless they offer him 10 full years at $30 million. Money talks, eh?

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Cardinal fans: Get the ceremonial knives out, because Albert Pujols ain't going to be in St. Louis after this season.

You can't assume now that he's gone after the season. The rejected offer actually happened a couple weeks ago, reportedly. It's just now getting out because of how private the talks are remaining. I don't think he'll sign before Spring Training. And even though he won't negotiate during the season doesn't mean his agent and the Cardinals won't have "talks". How do you go 6 months without ever at least chatting about it. I think he'll go into free agency, but eventually both teams will go up/come down on the price (Cards will probably make the most concessions) and he'll be signed. It's mainly the length of the contract that's the issue. With a 10-year deal, he'll be 41 during the final year of the contract. If anybody deserves to be signed through that age it's him, but that's still a pretty high risk. I'd definately say give him $30m/year over 7 or 8 years, but if he wants 10, then the annual price needs to come down. He definately deserves to be paid more than A-Rod, but he and the Yankees (and Rangers) screwed up everything.

Your assumption the Yankees or Sawx won't just completely go over the top on the Cardinals next offseason is likely flawed.

Although these teams do have Teixiera and Gonzalez right now...

Setting aside the fact that Pujols is a slight upgrade over them, there's also this thing called the DH. Maybe you've heard of it.

Of course, this is true. <_<

As long as one of the other guys agree to switch. Pujols won't DH.

Unless they offer him 10 full years at $30 million. Money talks, eh?

So... He has ALL the leverage, yet HE'D be the one to concede his preference to play the position he's worked his butt off at and turned himself into a Gold Glover? Why of course. How stupid of me not to see the logic in that. Thank you.

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Well when people keep posting their opinion as if its fact and then basically treat others like they're idiots for having a different opinion, even when they provide points to back them up, it eventually gets a teensy weensy annoying.

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So either the Cardinals lose Pujols, or they overpay to keep him around for a really long time. Seems like a lose-lose, just a matter of choosing whether they want to be set back now or set back later.

Honestly, I'd probably overpay him a little rather than risk losing him. At least with the management they have now. I don't trust Mozliek to spend the money on multiple free agents very wisely. If Jocketty were still here, I'd probably be a little more reluctant commit so much money to one guy vs getting possibly 3 high talent free agents. He deserves more money than A-Rod, but really no one needs to be making THAT much money for playing a kids game.

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Cardinal fans: Get the ceremonial knives out, because Albert Pujols ain't going to be in St. Louis after this season.

You can't assume now that he's gone after the season. The rejected offer actually happened a couple weeks ago, reportedly. It's just now getting out because of how private the talks are remaining. I don't think he'll sign before Spring Training. And even though he won't negotiate during the season doesn't mean his agent and the Cardinals won't have "talks". How do you go 6 months without ever at least chatting about it. I think he'll go into free agency, but eventually both teams will go up/come down on the price (Cards will probably make the most concessions) and he'll be signed. It's mainly the length of the contract that's the issue. With a 10-year deal, he'll be 41 during the final year of the contract. If anybody deserves to be signed through that age it's him, but that's still a pretty high risk. I'd definately say give him $30m/year over 7 or 8 years, but if he wants 10, then the annual price needs to come down. He definately deserves to be paid more than A-Rod, but he and the Yankees (and Rangers) screwed up everything.

Your assumption the Yankees or Sawx won't just completely go over the top on the Cardinals next offseason is likely flawed.

Although these teams do have Teixiera and Gonzalez right now...

Setting aside the fact that Pujols is a slight upgrade over them, there's also this thing called the DH. Maybe you've heard of it.

Of course, this is true. <_<

As long as one of the other guys agree to switch. Pujols won't DH.

Unless they offer him 10 full years at $30 million. Money talks, eh?

So... He has ALL the leverage, yet HE'D be the one to concede his preference to play the position he's worked his butt off at and turned himself into a Gold Glover? Why of course. How stupid of me not to see the logic in that. Thank you.

Take away the comment about turning himself into a Gold Glover, and you have the Adam Dunn situation all over again. Despite saying he wouldn't go to the AL because he didn't want to DH, he signed in Chicago anyways with the White Sox. Why? Because unlike Washington, they were willing to give him the 4 year contract he wanted.

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