vicfurth Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Neither actually. It was more of a question whether homosexuality is born or chosen. Nothing was meant like they're inhuman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ESTONES6 Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Technically, and by definition, gay people don't reproduce. Gay people choose to reproduce the only way nature allows... basically contradicting the basis of homosexuality. As I said, they CHOOSE to sleep with someone of the opposite gender to reproduce... the same way they CHOOSE to sleep with someone of the same gender. SAINT IGNATIUS WILDCATS | CLEVELAND BROWNS | CLEVELAND CAVALIERS | CLEVELAND INDIANS | THE OHIO STATE BUCKEYES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 I don't know any gay people who would answer "chosen.". On the other hand, "chosen" is a standard talking point from those who would deny gay people their Constitutional rights. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Technically, and by definition, gay people don't reproduce. Gay people choose to reproduce the only way nature allows... basically contradicting the basis of homosexuality. As I said, they CHOOSE to sleep with someone of the opposite gender to reproduce... the same way they CHOOSE to sleep with someone of the same gender.IVF isn't "reproduction"? Sperm donors and surrogates aren't "reproduction"?And as I said, there's the talking point in action. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClevelandHockey Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 >Use your free speech to express an opinion that is smiled upon by the mainstream mediaYeah! Fight for them! Woohoo! You're awesome and a good person!>Use your free speech to express an opinion that is unpopular in the mediaYou're a bigot! You hate gays! You should die! You're an idiot!I agree with Tyree but I don't go around calling people of the opposite viewpoint morons or hateful. What really gets me is the "great fan" stuff. It's sad to think of our country as a "Steeler Nation", because that would mean that we're a country of near-sighted inbreds from the mountains that can't speak competent English.Let's go Brownies!You mad because the Tribe is stylin' on you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Did you try to untangle the "logic" behind his position? That representative democracy equals anarchy?That's why he's been called a moron. Not because we disagree with his position, but because he can't formulate an intelligent argument to support it. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClevelandHockey Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Wasn't his point that other cultures had this same issue pop up? Also can you blame him for stumbling when he's trying to be tact so as to not become engulfed in the usual death threats and hate mail?I heard blurbs about it on the radio, not his full interview. Sounded like that's what it was to me. What really gets me is the "great fan" stuff. It's sad to think of our country as a "Steeler Nation", because that would mean that we're a country of near-sighted inbreds from the mountains that can't speak competent English.Let's go Brownies!You mad because the Tribe is stylin' on you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Now who's afraid to argue the issue? Death threats? But you are right - it's not the word I would have chosen. I'd rather attack his position on the issue, abhorrent and irrational as it is. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 The video was shot and edited by an anti-gay group. Blame them for making him look like an idiot. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charger77 Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Technically, and by definition, gay people don't reproduce. Gay people choose to reproduce the only way nature allows... basically contradicting the basis of homosexuality. As I said, they CHOOSE to sleep with someone of the opposite gender to reproduce... the same way they CHOOSE to sleep with someone of the same gender.IVF isn't "reproduction"? Sperm donors and surrogates aren't "reproduction"?And as I said, there's the talking point in action.I think that what he was getting at is that in theory a man and woman can have sex and produce a child. However it is not possible for two men or two women to have sex and produce a child. PotD May 11th, 2011looooooogodud: June 7th 2010 - July 5th 2012 Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 So what? Straight couples haven't been limited by biology for generations, why should gay couples?Not that this has anything to do with marriage. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ESTONES6 Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Technically, and by definition, gay people don't reproduce. Gay people choose to reproduce the only way nature allows... basically contradicting the basis of homosexuality. As I said, they CHOOSE to sleep with someone of the opposite gender to reproduce... the same way they CHOOSE to sleep with someone of the same gender.IVF isn't "reproduction"? Sperm donors and surrogates aren't "reproduction"?And as I said, there's the talking point in action.I think that what he was getting at is that in theory a man and woman can have sex and produce a child. However it is not possible for two men or two women to have sex and produce a child.Correct... therefore disproving the Nature argument for pro-homosexual supporters.I mean... it really is a tricky topic, and the more I reflect on it, the more I agree with keeping marriage between man and woman. The more I compare and contrast, the more I look at simple logic as opposed to indepth science, and then indepth science as opposed to logic, I keep finding myself leaning toward anti-homosexuality. By no means do I think homosexuals should be treated as second rate citizens, or that they should be called names and have their human dignity disrespected, but I have a hard time saying its Natural or should be given special privileges. Anti-homosexuality in the sense that I don't think it should be recognized as marriage, or even as a civil union. SAINT IGNATIUS WILDCATS | CLEVELAND BROWNS | CLEVELAND CAVALIERS | CLEVELAND INDIANS | THE OHIO STATE BUCKEYES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Correct... therefore disproving the Nature argument for pro-homosexual supporters.you've offered no such "proof."In fact, you keep talking about "science" and "logic" without any evidence that you're using either. Please show your work. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 And wait... Who is asking for "special privileges"? They just want the same Constitutional rights you enjoy. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charger77 Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 If we are pushing for equal constitutional rights for all (which I am for) when do women between the ages of 18-26 have to register with selective services? PotD May 11th, 2011looooooogodud: June 7th 2010 - July 5th 2012 Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 If we are pushing for equal constitutional rights for all (which I am for) when do women between the ages of 18-26 have to register with selective services?Blame the conservatives who killed the Equal Rights Amendment.They happen to be, by and large, the same people fighting against equality today. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charger77 Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 If we are pushing for equal constitutional rights for all (which I am for) when do women between the ages of 18-26 have to register with selective services?Blame the conservatives who killed the Equal Rights Amendment.They happen to be, by and large, the same people fighting against equality today.Dems had both chambers between 2006-2010 and both chambers and the Oval Office between 2008-2010. If they are all for equity why didn't they pass legislation allowing marriage for all and extend selective services to all when they were in power? PotD May 11th, 2011looooooogodud: June 7th 2010 - July 5th 2012 Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEAD! Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Correct... therefore disproving the Nature argument for pro-homosexual supporters.you've offered no such "proof."In fact, you keep talking about "science" and "logic" without any evidence that you're using either. Please show your work.... are you talking about VISUAL evidence? I saw, I came, I left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 If we are pushing for equal constitutional rights for all (which I am for) when do women between the ages of 18-26 have to register with selective services?Blame the conservatives who killed the Equal Rights Amendment.They happen to be, by and large, the same people fighting against equality today.Dems had both chambers between 2006-2010 and both chambers and the Oval Office between 2008-2010. If they are all for equity why didn't they pass legislation allowing marriage for all and extend selective services to all when they were in power?Because 1) They had slightly bigger fish to fry and 2) You can't get a Constitutional Amendment ratified in two years nowadays. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 And besides, who here has ever suggested that all Democrats are always on the right side of every issue? That's silly. Correct... therefore disproving the Nature argument for pro-homosexual supporters.you've offered no such "proof."In fact, you keep talking about "science" and "logic" without any evidence that you're using either. Please show your work.... are you talking about VISUAL evidence?No, I'm talking about a coherent argument. You can't just say "my opinion is logical!" without explanation. Show the steps which led you to arrive at your conclusion.For example, when I say that marriage is a Constitutional right, and that there is no legitimate reason to deny gay couples their right, I can cite Scalia's own dissent in Lawrence v. Texas, where the Justice said the sane thing. Back up your conclusions. Then again, you made the claim that homosexuality is "not natural" without bothering to explain why then it is found in... Nature. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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