Ark Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 The Braves are moving to SunTrust Park next season and the Rangers are moving next. So it seems that the current stadiums might not have as long a shelf life as they should. So what teams will move next, and how long will the top stadiums like AT&T Park last? Tampa Bay and Oakland actually need new stadiums, but they may have to move cities to get them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 The two biggest drivers (that I can think of off the top of my head) to replacing the old stadiums were both around revenue streams. 1- the ownership/management model. Teams want cities to pay for the stadiums but give them the revenues and sweetheart management deals. 2- luxury suits - not nearly as big a thing back in the day as it is now. This might have been the biggest driver, as that's a big stream that some teams just couldn't get. How owe long the new ones will last depends partially on whether someone invents some new way of getting revenue out of a stadium that can't be retrofitted in. For example, if Jerry Jones' field-level suites became a huge thing that everyone needed to be competitive, you'd see stadiums getting replaced again (or at least attempts). So it's stuff like that. It could be that rain-outs become simply unacceptable, and everyone feels they need a roof to be competitive. Or that teams decide that they need year-round revenue to remain competitive, so they demand parks with retractable roofs. So it's not about how long they'll last from a physical standpoint, but how long they provide top-flight revenue relative to their competitors. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnPheitseog Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 I'm honestly thinking OPaCY will last a long time. At least another 30 years. Formerly known as DiePerske Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 AT&T Park is going to be around next to forever. They built it with private money and you can't beat the real estate. How do you move up from what they have? Comiskey Park will be the next park to close before its time after Turner and Arlington. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo_prankster Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 33 minutes ago, DiePerske said: I'm honestly thinking OPaCY will last a long time. At least another 30 years. I dunno why, but I feel like Camden Yards might last a little longer than that. Maybe, if we're lucky, Fenway, Wrigley and Dodger Stadium will still be around in the 22nd century. The Fictional Story of Austus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnPheitseog Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 4 minutes ago, neo_prankster said: I dunno why, but I feel like Camden Yards might last a little longer than that. Maybe, if we're lucky, Fenway, Wrigley and Dodger Stadium will still be around in the 22nd century. I'll be honest , I'm low balling it. I wouldn't be surprised if it lasted 100. Formerly known as DiePerske Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2001mark Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 I often enough throw in casual Rogers Centre future searches. Not a single rumour ever, not a single conceptual drawing ever. 1989 is getting old. It's prime real estate & the concrete building is roof/load bearing enough- I've always said just gut the place from within. Pare it all down to its ruts, bash out as many nooks & crannies for natural light/ambiance as possible, & keep the place alive. Erect a Kauffman 2.0 style setup within the confines. Hell, for Canadianity, install some Anaheim'ish waterfalls & line a bunch of maples & evergreens under the OF lip- that abyss of dead space right now. I've heard they're already thinking about another idea I've had- gut the OF 500 seats & make them bar style patios. Rogers Centre does have a giant sports bar vibe already, why not go all in. @2001mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsaline97 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 5 hours ago, DiePerske said: I'm honestly thinking OPaCY will last a long time. At least another 30 years. Maybe surprising, but I think Coors Field could be in that boat as well, especially if they continue making substantial upgrades like their rooftop patio. I guess I live in Denver so I may be pretty biased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 44 minutes ago, 2001mark said: I often enough throw in casual Rogers Centre future searches. Not a single rumour ever, not a single conceptual drawing ever. 1989 is getting old. It's prime real estate & the concrete building is roof/load bearing enough- I've always said just gut the place from within. Pare it all down to its ruts, bash out as many nooks & crannies for natural light/ambiance as possible, & keep the place alive. Erect a Kauffman 2.0 style setup within the confines. Hell, for Canadianity, install some Anaheim'ish waterfalls & line a bunch of maples & evergreens under the OF lip- that abyss of dead space right now. I've heard they're already thinking about another idea I've had- gut the OF 500 seats & make them bar style patios. Rogers Centre does have a giant sports bar vibe already, why not go all in. Can they dismantle the roof and do some sort of semi-open ETFE deal like BC Place and the Inglewood Death Star? The place is a tomb with the roof closed. Needs some sort of cladding, too; all that grey concrete outside is starting to look terrible. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ark Posted June 21, 2016 Author Share Posted June 21, 2016 35 minutes ago, dsaline97 said: Maybe surprising, but I think Coors Field could be in that boat as well, especially if they continue making substantial upgrades like their rooftop patio. I guess I live in Denver so I may be pretty biased. They need a new Vikings stadium-style Dome with a transparent roof. A mountain view would be nice too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2001mark Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 1 hour ago, the admiral said: Can they dismantle the roof and do some sort of semi-open ETFE deal like BC Place and the Inglewood Death Star? The place is a tomb with the roof closed. Needs some sort of cladding, too; all that grey concrete outside is starting to look terrible. Dismantling it would cost a lot, doubt anyone would have the stones. The outside is wasted space- they could take Maple Leaf Square to the woodshed with all the potential video boarding space there. As it is, they've merely hung large generic Blue Jays banners as if that's sexy. To that second point, it might've been in the Toronto Star weeks ago I read about them pondering more options around that base of Rogers Centre/CN Tower/Ripley's Aquarium in the not to distant future. @2001mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashcarson15 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 6 hours ago, the admiral said: AT&T Park is going to be around next to forever. They built it with private money and you can't beat the real estate. How do you move up from what they have? Comiskey Park will be the next park to close before its time after Turner and Arlington. We’re 25 years gone on the idea of new Comiskey closing “before its time.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElwoodCuse Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 6 hours ago, the admiral said: AT&T Park is going to be around next to forever. They built it with private money This is not entirely true. They got ridiculously expensive real estate for free and the city spent $80 million on infrastructure improvements for the stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 I know, same with Busch, but it's true enough for them to value what they have. Look at how well the Palace of Auburn Hills has been maintained all these years. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Yeah, AT&T Park is a park I see being on the list of modern day venues that'll last the test of time similar to how Wrigley and Fenway (and Dodgers Stadium, to an extent) have. As for the Giants being gifted "ridiculously expensive real estate", that's not exactly 100% true. That area would've probably exploded in the same manner as the rest of the city due to the tech boom, but at the time the park was built, the China Basin was basically skid row. The Giants building the park where they did definitely was the catalyst for building up that area in the manner it was. AT&T Park is one of those rare cases of a stadium actually increasing the value of the surrounding area in a tangible manner rather than just being bull to get public money to build a stadium. Actually, I can't think of many cases where a stadium is better across the board than AT&T Park. Everything from location, to how it was funded, to how it was built was (no pun intended) a total home run. It's kind of a shining example of what you want to see when it comes to new ballparks. On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Those stadiums will "last" until someone invents dangling suites that hang from a roof, and every park needs them to remain competitive or else the teams with them will make tons more money than the teams without. Then all of a sudden you'll hear how AT&T park isn't viable anymore and needs a roof or something. Thats pretty much how this works. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sport Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 46 minutes ago, BringBackTheVet said: Those stadiums will "last" until someone invents dangling suites that hang from a roof, and every park needs them to remain competitive or else the teams with them will make tons more money than the teams without. Then all of a sudden you'll hear how AT&T park isn't viable anymore and needs a roof or something. Thats pretty much how this works. Yep. There is something coming in the future that we can't predict right now that will make these current state of the art parks obsolete. The Ballpark in Arlington was perfect for 20 years and now they absolutely cannot compete unless they have a roof. I guess you could make the argument that Nelson Cruz would've been able to catch the final out of the 2011 World Series if he wasn't so tired from a season played in Texas heat. My guess is retractable roofs (rooves?) will become the new absolute must-have addition for everybody and you'll see them either retro-fitted or stadiums will go the way of Fort Worth and decide a whole new stadium is cheaper than putting a roof over the existing stadium. I hope GABP is able to stick around for the entirety of my lifetime. It's in year 14 and it's only gotten better as it's aged and the team's learned how to use it properly. It feels more like a new park now than it did when it first opened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsaline97 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 9 hours ago, Ark said: They need a new Vikings stadium-style Dome with a transparent roof. A mountain view would be nice too. Why? There's not as much early season snow as you think. And the building committee/city/team all wanted a downtown park and ended up rejuvenating a nice part of town. Getting a mountain view would force them away from all of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ark Posted June 21, 2016 Author Share Posted June 21, 2016 1 hour ago, dsaline97 said: Why? There's not as much early season snow as you think. And the building committee/city/team all wanted a downtown park and ended up rejuvenating a nice part of town. Getting a mountain view would force them away from all of that. Because an indooor stadium would be climate-controlled. I don't thinkthe Rockies will ever win the World Series in Coors Field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh.0 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 2 hours ago, dsaline97 said: Why? There's not as much early season snow as you think. And the building committee/city/team all wanted a downtown park and ended up rejuvenating a nice part of town. Getting a mountain view would force them away from all of that. Especially considering the mountains are pretty far away from downtown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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