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There is a bit of a creeping inferiority complex from some NHL-primary fans here that is, strangely, quite similar to the complex many sunbelt hockey fans have. 

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On 6/10/2018 at 11:05 AM, BringBackTheVet said:

You guys hate Sam Hinkie and hate the Process...

 

I love Hinkie!

Anyway, for me the emergence of a set of elite teams is good for a league's identity.  It helps cement an era in history.  In the 1980s the NBA was defined by the Lakers, the Celtics, the Pistons.   The NFL when I was growing up in the 1970s was always going to come down to battles involving the Cowbows, the Vikings, the Steelers, the Dolphins, the Raiders.  And baseball in the 1970s (the best sport in the best period) was a battle of the elites such as the A's, Reds, Dodgers, Pirates, and Orioles, joined in the decade's latter half by the Yankees, Royals, and Phillies.

Too much parity is not a good thing; it makes the whole competition seem suspect.  I root for NYCFC; Toronto FC are one of our biggest rivals.  So I should be glad that they are having a bad season. But actually I find it embarassing for the league that that team, after its dominating campaign last year, could be doing so badly this season.  For the sake of the league, I wanted Toronto to do well again, and for NYCFC to attain something by reaching their level.

So, when the same set of teams dominate a league for years on end, don't knock it.  That's how a golden age is born.

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On 6/10/2018 at 1:10 PM, Bucfan56 said:

 

I meant if you like parity so much, go watch the NHL, because the levels of parity are the polar opposite of the NBA. 

I did just this.

 

I used to be a huge NBA fan, but a long list of things gradually turned me off to the league. I mean, there's the parity thing, but that's always been there. And there's the move by superstars to congeal to other superstars to form these superteams, which is maddening. But the style of play is also off-putting. I used to seek out games with good big-man matchups (a la Ewing-Olajuwon), but is there even such a thing as a good big man any more? The entire game exists beyond the three-point line, or in the ridiculously boring isolation game. 

 

I eventually pulled the old-man card and came to the conclusion that the game I once enjoyed passed me by and became something different.

 

So I changed the channel from NBA TV to the NHL Network and found something else to enjoy in the winter. 

 

Even in person, watching an NBA game was like a choreographed sound and light show with a little bit of basketball in between. The one NHL game I saw this year was exciting from start to end. 

 

That's the end of my grumpy old man rant.

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I can see fans being turned off by the style of play in the current NBA but I think most if not all fans would be happy as a clam if their favorite team had KD, Steph, Klay & Draymond and just won 3 of the last 4 NBA titles. If they deny it, I think there's a little fibbing going on. 

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A lot of people are forgetting that Golden State was the bum-ass franchise for like 40 years before the last 4 years. They had one good moment (07) in a desert of bad luck and bad decisions and cheap ownership. Before Lebron the Cavs were among the most anonymous, hopeless, "they have an NBA team?!" franchises in the league. I think it's truly tiresome that it's been the same two teams in the finals for four straight years, but the silver lining is at least it's two "new" sets of uniforms and not like the Lakers vs. Celtics again. That first year they met in the finals was basically like if the Lions and Bengals played each other in the Super Bowl. I was happy for the Warriors in 2015. I was happy for the Cavs in 2016, but these last two have been snoozers. The Warriors celebrated this title like it was a regular season win in December. Also, this was probably the last year they'll see each other. 

 

The only thing I don't like about the Warriors is Draymond and that the fans who gave them solid support through those bum-ass years got priced to the nosebleeds and out of the building altogether by Disruptors who don't care about the game or team except for status reasons. Kevin Durant is Kevin Durant. I'll always find his decision very disappointing. He almost beat those guys in 2016 and then was just like "I can invest in apps and win some rings so Golden State here I come". It was a total business decision and I understand that, but from a competitor's standpoint it'll always ring hollow and now the entire sport feels like it's on pause until someone from that team moves on. 

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9 hours ago, Wings said:

I can see fans being turned off by the style of play in the current NBA but I think most if not all fans would be happy as a clam if their favorite team had KD, Steph, Klay & Draymond and just won 3 of the last 4 NBA titles. If they deny it, I think there's a little fibbing going on. 

Of course. Who would argue that? I just can't imagine getting excited for a league in which as many as 26 of the teams, if not more, don't stand a chance from the moment they tie on their laces. At least in MLB, the NFL, NHL or MLS you can witness a franchise make an unexpected run of it. I'm a massive Twins fan and their run to the playoffs was exhilarating and gave some hope for the future.

 

In this modern NBA, it seems as if there can be no Cinderellas, which makes it far more difficult to enjoy if you're not a fan of one of those few dominant markets.

 

 

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Since 1980 only 11 franchises have won 39 championships. 8 of those 11 franchises have won multiple titles. Philly, Dallas and Cleveland won one each. 

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The NBA is probably always going to be that way.  A thread was started (and apparently deleted) about why the NBA has less postseason parody than the other sports.  And I think it's because of the enormous difference that one or two players can make.  It's set up for the best team / best players to win.  In football, you have 22 starters each playing less than half the game.  Only a QB can create an automatic contender but even then defenses and the fact that there are no seven-game series (i.e., anyone can be upset in one game) are equalizers.  In hockey, Sid Crosby plays, what, 25 out of 60 minutes, while LeBron plays 45 out of 48. A couple of stars are not as likely to bring a team to the top of the standings as in basketball.  Throw in low-scoring games, hot goalies, and puck-luck and .500 teams can have a chance against #1 seeds.  When the  Yankees signed A-rod, there was something very unsavory about it.  The team with the biggest payroll now had the two best shortstops in the league.  They contended every year, but only won it all once.  Because A-Rod's impact is being one of nine hitters/defenders and not pitching.  Durant's is being one of 5 starters.  And a 7-game series in a sport like baseball is different given that there are different starting pitchers and while and NBA star can have an off night, it's nothing compared to the impact of a starting pitcher having an off night.

 

The NBA is always going to be more prone to this.That doesn't make it any less disheartening to see something like the Durant signing or to know that a team like mine (the Timberwolves) has to have all the stars aligned (health, players that have not yet left for greener pastures, good drafting, finding undervalued free agents, mortgaging parts of the future for the present or vice versa) to even sniff a deep run.  

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I saw this on twitter and reddit today. Thought it was relevant. 

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43 minutes ago, OnWis97 said:

The NBA is always going to be more prone to this.That doesn't make it any less disheartening to see something like the Durant signing or to know that a team like mine (the Timberwolves) has to have all the stars aligned (health, players that have not yet left for greener pastures, good drafting, finding undervalued free agents, mortgaging parts of the future for the present or vice versa) to even sniff a deep run.  

You're right, and I acknowledge that it's nothing new. I'm sure I'm just reacting to KD's move, and how it made the divide between the haves and have-nots even greater.

 

I'm here in Portland, where I watch Blazers fans each year waste energy dreaming that Damian Lillard will guide to glory a franchise that, from Day 1 of the season, shouldn't expect anything better than a second-round exit. It just seems so futile knowing that the only path to a title is for a team to accrue three of the game's 10 best players. 

 

 

 

 

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25 minutes ago, Red Wolf said:

I saw this on twitter and reddit today. Thought it was relevant. 

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The parallel would be if those Bulls added Barkley, Shaq, Hill, Payton or Ewing.

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Do people hate the Warriors or do they hate KD? If you hate the Warriors, why? Because they drafted All-Stars/HOF players 3 out of 4 years (shoutout Ekpe Udoh), won a title then positioned themselves to land the 2nd best player in the world? 

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11 minutes ago, OaklandIsBack said:

Do people hate the Warriors or do they hate KD? If you hate the Warriors, why? Because they drafted All-Stars/HOF players 3 out of 4 years (shoutout Ekpe Udoh), won a title then positioned themselves to land the 2nd best player in the world? 

As I explained before? I don't hate the Warriors. I'm neutral to them, leaning towards liking them.

The Durant thing, however, was obnoxious. And continues to be.

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Just now, OaklandIsBack said:

Do people hate the Warriors or do they hate KD? If you hate the Warriors, why? Because they drafted All-Stars/HOF players 3 out of 4 years (shoutout Ekpe Udoh), won a title then positioned themselves to land the 2nd best player in the world? 

My reasoning originally was the fans who showed no class when beating teams that had kicked dirt in their face the previous 30+ years, like the lady calling out Lebron after the Cavs lost the first meeting. Also it's the sudden growth of "fans" who supported them from day one but probably don't even know the team plays in Oakland. When Durant moved in 2016-2017, that just told me he didn't have the desire to try and do the things that Michael Jordan did, and Lebron tried to do in Miami and then Cleveland, where he tried to get guys to come play with him. The burner accounts to defend himself didn't help either, it made him seem like a guy that's upset that people don't like the decisions he made and he can't figure out why they don't like him. Draymond Green is another reason I don't like them. He just seems to be happy playing on the edge of what the NBA will allow instead of playing firmly within the rules. 

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17 minutes ago, OaklandIsBack said:

Do people hate the Warriors or do they hate KD? If you hate the Warriors, why? Because they drafted All-Stars/HOF players 3 out of 4 years (shoutout Ekpe Udoh), won a title then positioned themselves to land the 2nd best player in the world? 

They hate the Warriors because they're the best team. The best teams are the most hated. Enjoy it. 

 

The Durant thing, I don't think anybody can blame him, but it was frustrating as somebody who is not a fan of the Warriors, OKC, or the Cavs. After the Warriors vs. Cavaliers II, I was very excited about the prospect of a third series between the two. When Durant signed with Golden State, it suddenly seemed less interesting because we all knew they'd steamroll anybody that stood in their way and it removed another team (OKC) as a threat. I just laugh at the hyperbole of the narrative that the Warriors have killed the NBA. 

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10 minutes ago, Red Wolf said:

They hate the Warriors because they're the best team. The best teams are the most hated. Enjoy it. 

 

The Durant thing, I don't think anybody can blame him, but it was frustrating as somebody who is not a fan of the Warriors, OKC, or the Cavs. After the Warriors vs. Cavaliers II, I was very excited about the prospect of a third series between the two. When Durant signed with Golden State, it suddenly seemed less interesting because we all knew they'd steamroll anybody that stood in their way and it removed another team (OKC) as a threat. I just laugh at the hyperbole of the narrative that the Warriors have killed the NBA. 

We said the same thing about the Yankees, Patriots, Lakers and Celtics and the leagues still run. I'm more annoyed by the talk show guys saying, "We won't talk about Lebron James and where he's going". Five minutes later after discussing some other NBA player or team, "And it all comes back to Lebron James"! NO!!!! You just know if you say it people will spout off about it for the next five minutes until you find the next interesting thing to talk about because you didn't prep for today. 

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42 minutes ago, OaklandIsBack said:

Do people hate the Warriors or do they hate KD? If you hate the Warriors, why? Because they drafted All-Stars/HOF players 3 out of 4 years (shoutout Ekpe Udoh), won a title then positioned themselves to land the 2nd best player in the world? 

People don't like KD for various reasons.

He was protected by the OKC media (remember Clay Bennett is married into the Gaylord family and The Oklahoman newspaper) and now protected by Bill Simmons. He joins a 73-9 team and tries to play it like he's naive.  Him breaking off his engagement to Monica Wright was pretty strange too. 

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48 minutes ago, OaklandIsBack said:

Do people hate the Warriors or do they hate KD? If you hate the Warriors, why? Because they drafted All-Stars/HOF players 3 out of 4 years (shoutout Ekpe Udoh), won a title then positioned themselves to land the 2nd best player in the world? 

I hate both. I hate KD for taking the easy way out by joining a 73-win team. I hate the Warriors for begging KD to join their 73-win team.

 

In fairness, though, I didn't like either side even before they joined forces. I couldn't stand all the cheap free throws KD got from his rip-through move, or the free pass he always got from criticism compared to LeBron. And it should be pretty obvious why a Clippers fan didn't like the Warriors.

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5 minutes ago, who do you think said:

Anyone who attacks Durant's decision to join Golden State but defends LeBron's decision to join Miami (and then Cleveland) is a hypocrite.

Not really. They aren't the same.

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