"Official" 2007 College Football Thread

[slightly shotgunned]

i think its a new rule that after three you have to go for 2 after a td.

[Seadragon76]

i think its a new rule that after three you have to go for 2 after a td.

I know that (plus, it's not so much a new rule). What I mean is like go for two during the first or second overtime. Go for the win, man. Take the chance and roll the dice. The worst that can happen is you losing a football game, that's it.

[infrared41]

A playoff just doesn't work for college football.

you're right. i forgot that the bcs system is used by every division in college football. in fact, this system works so well, that its never debated, never doubted, never confusing, never causes any problems, and is the only way to generate millions of dollars because, when you get right down to it, that's the most important part...oops, did i say that last part out loud?

...they both come in as virtual locks for the playoffs and Lloyd Carr and Jim Tressel treat us to watching the JV versions of the teams because they don't want to risk injuries. It happens in the NFL every season. Add a playoff to college football and there will be years where the SEC title game is nothing more than glorified scrimmage. So to answer your question, would I care about the OSU-Michigan JV game? Probably not.

lets take your UNC-Duke basketball rivalry as an example to why this argument doesn't work. unc and duke make the playoffs almost every year (in fact i can't think of a time where neither was in the playoffs, and i'm too lazy right now to look it up), but that rivalry is one of the most historic well-known and well-played rivalry in college sports. look it up and ask Bill Guthridge and Matt Doherty what happens when you can't beat Duke and you don't win a national title. so with their jobs on the line, do you think Tressel and Carr would allow a JV squad to decide the game even if they were guaranteed a playoff spot? doubtful. you still have to beat at least 3 other teams who are just as hungry as yours for a national title. so no, you wouldn't care about the osu-michigan jv game, but that's not what would happen. keep in mind that there are still tv networks broadcasting the game. you think school admins, alums, and boosters are going to allow coaches to put on a half-assed show for a national audience? second point, duke and unc are in the same conference. in basketball that means they play TWICE a year. every college football rivalry is played only one time a year, which brings back up the meaning of the game. if you only see them once, you have one chance to prove you're the better team. and if you say 'oh well, we'll beat them in the playoffs then' lets look at osu-michigan last year taking the bcs rankings from the end of the season if there were a 16 team playoff: osu would get rutgers, michigan (at #3) would get #14 Virginia tech at the bottom half of the bracket, meaning they would have to get through vt, the winner of wisconson/notre dame, then have to beat either florida, wake forest, oklahoma or auburn to see osu again, all assuming that osu has beaten rutgers, taken out the winner of usc/boise state, and beaten either louisville, arkansas, lsu, or west virginia to make it osu-michigan for a national championship. not so simple a task.

btw, how often does a team that rested its starters at the end of a season win a title?

If Division 1-A did go to a playoff system, there is more incentive on "just getting wins" instead of "quality wins", and the big schools would go back to scheduling a strictly-soft non-conference schedule. There's no way in hell they'd risk giving up a sure-win just to schedule a tougher opponent, since the emphasis is just on collecting wins. Georgia wouldn't schedule the likes of Oregon, Colorado, Arizona State, and Louisville if the BCS weren't around. They would want to bring in the Sun Belt and ACC teams to ensure the easy victory.

assuming that the criteria for getting into the playoffs would mean just getting to seven wins to be eligible, then yes that would be a problem. hopefully, whoever would set up the system would have more sense than taking things like margin of victory, human votes, computer votes, prestige, and whatnot. i mean, come on, nobody wants to see a mediocre team in post season play? ...sarcasm aside, teams schedule cupcakes now. look at texas' non conference schedule. or ohio state's or oklahoma's. the only team i know of to play a tough non conference schedule year after year is USC and i think that's in part because nobody really gives the pac 10 a lot of credit for having good teams. face it man, teams schedule cupcakes because they want to make sure that they have a certain number of wins at the end of the season (7 to be bowl eligible this year). it'll happen regardless of the system. besides, its not like scheduling a cupcake team guarantees you a win (see term: "upset").

With a playoff system, only 16 teams get additional exposure. With the current bowl structure, 64 teams get additional exposure. The smaller schools and smaller conferences would get less exposure because they'll likely get left out of the playoff picture, or just one team sneaking in every now and then.

if we're talking additional exposure as national spotlight after the regular season, then yes you're right if there are no other games being played (i can't see bowls ever going away even with a playoff, there's too much money involved and schools would love to get into them to get some of it). if we're talking overall, we're talking the big six plus the best of the mid-major conferences should they put up a good enough season getting national attention for at least a week before the playoffs would start, and then an additional week for the actual games. boise state last year wouldn't have been a complete unknown (damn near everyone knows about the blue turf they play on) until their bowl game because they would have been talked about as playoff contenders WEEKS before the playoffs started. that means that people would look at their conference a little closer, the teams in that conference, and know who the hell they were before they arrived and shocked the world. it doesn't happen so much in basketball because there are 65 teams who've played somewhere between 22 and 31 games that season. its just too much to look at for a fan.

Not to mention that, if these playoff games are played at neutral sites, how difficult it will be to sell tickets for a game that's only a week away, instead of having 2-3 weeks or more to plan trips like the bowl system offers.

It's a big game. Big football games don't need much to get people interested.

to add to infrared's no-look pass, you know people would make it happen to see their team compete for a title. march madness doesn't seem to have a problem with ticket sales.

This is the thing, I think everyone involved has made a great argument for their side of the debate. We'll never agree and that's OK. I don't want a playoff but it's not like if it happens I'll quit watching college football. Like a lot of other people, you want a playoff but if it doesn't happen it's not like advocates of a playoff will quit watching college football. To me, following sports has to result in one thing and one thing only, fun. We all seem to enjoy the debate, we all seem to enjoy the games, and that's good enough for me. Whatever happens happens. As long as the game remains fun I am OK with that. It's fun to watch it and it's fun to argue about it. Objective achieved.

GO RAZORBACKS, BULLDOGS, WILDCATS....screw it...and all the rest I need to win to get my guys a shot at the title.

[TFoA]

#1 just went down. (Again.)

[Seadragon76]

Down goes Numba 1! Down goes Numba 1! [/end Howard Cosell impersonation]

Who knew Arkansas could do what most teams cannot even try to do?

You also know what this means for Kansas? Win and you're number 1.

[-(dp)-]

How many people are going to blame it on Les Miles being 'distracted' by the Michigan job opening?

I had a feeling LSU would eventually lose another one, the way they have been barely surviving a lot of their games.

[infrared41]

Arkansas 50

LSU 48

And Ohio State's improbable run to the National Championship continues...from the comfort of their living rooms??? I figure by tomorrow night we'll be at least #3. So it all comes down to Missouri and Kansas? Craziest damn season I've ever seen.

GO TIGERS! GO SOONERS!

[Drew22]

Wow. Who was Flynn throwing to?

If only Kentucky beats Tennessee. Georgia could beat LSU in the SEC CG.

[slightly shotgunned]

This is the thing, I think everyone involved has made a great argument for their side of the debate. We'll never agree and that's OK. I don't want a playoff but it's not like if it happens I'll quit watching college football. Like a lot of other people, you want a playoff but if it doesn't happen it's not like advocates of a playoff will quit watching college football. To me, following sports has to result in one thing and one thing only, fun. We all seem to enjoy the debate, we all seem to enjoy the games, and that's good enough for me. Whatever happens happens. As long as the game remains fun I am OK with that. It's fun to watch it and it's fun to argue about it. Objective achieved.

GO RAZORBACKS, BULLDOGS, WILDCATS....screw it...and all the rest I need to win to get my guys a shot at the title.

you know, i was debating whether or not to respond after i read everything because i'm hearing the same debate with different examples and had realized that no matter what happened on these boards it wouldn't change anything except maybe a few minds one way or the other, but since i do that before i respond to most debates on these boards, i responded anyway. i agree though. i love the games (all the games i'm able to watch, including some bowls) and have enjoyed the debate. it won't stop for me in the world away from the ccslc, but riding off into the sunset and enjoying the remaining games sounds good to me.

lsu-arkansas, triple ot, razorbacks 50-48; you got wish 1.

[TFoA]

Now there's no denying it: If Kansas wins out, they're going to the 'ship.

Now who's going to be #2 long enough to make it there???

The only reason I can find to dislike the Arkansas-LSU game is because it made people forget about the stunning comeback MSU had earlier today. Lame.

[slightly shotgunned]

and i flip through and watch the texas kicker miss an extra point attempt.

texas 30

texas a&m 38.

[Drew22]

Now there's no denying it: If Kansas wins out, they're going to the 'ship.

Now who's going to be #2 long enough to make it there???

The only reason I can find to dislike the Arkansas-LSU game is because it made people forget about the stunning comeback MSU had earlier today. Lame.

West Virginia.

Flame, your other Bulldogs looked like crap until the fourth. But came up big when it mattered. What a game.

[TFoA]

Now there's no denying it: If Kansas wins out, they're going to the 'ship.

Now who's going to be #2 long enough to make it there???

The only reason I can find to dislike the Arkansas-LSU game is because it made people forget about the stunning comeback MSU had earlier today. Lame.

West Virginia.

Flame, your other Bulldogs looked like crap until the fourth. But came up big when it mattered. What a game.

As far as I'm concerned, the Bulldogs in Athens are the other ones to me.

But yeah, as you can see in my previous posts, I was the first to say that they played like complete doodoo for 3 1/2 quarters. But those last 8 minutes were probably the best they've played all year, and at the best possible time too.

[infrared41]

This is the thing, I think everyone involved has made a great argument for their side of the debate. We'll never agree and that's OK. I don't want a playoff but it's not like if it happens I'll quit watching college football. Like a lot of other people, you want a playoff but if it doesn't happen it's not like advocates of a playoff will quit watching college football. To me, following sports has to result in one thing and one thing only, fun. We all seem to enjoy the debate, we all seem to enjoy the games, and that's good enough for me. Whatever happens happens. As long as the game remains fun I am OK with that. It's fun to watch it and it's fun to argue about it. Objective achieved.

GO RAZORBACKS, BULLDOGS, WILDCATS....screw it...and all the rest I need to win to get my guys a shot at the title.

you know, i was debating whether or not to respond after i read everything because i'm hearing the same debate with different examples and had realized that no matter what happened on these boards it wouldn't change anything except maybe a few minds one way or the other, but since i do that before i respond to most debates on these boards, i responded anyway. i agree though. i love the games (all the games i'm able to watch, including some bowls) and have enjoyed the debate. it won't stop for me in the world away from the ccslc, but riding off into the sunset and enjoying the remaining games sounds good to me.

lsu-arkansas, triple ot, razorbacks 50-48; you got wish 1.

Yeah, we were kind of repeating the same argument from last year. If I come up with anything new I'll post it.

Oh and for the record, LSU losing was wish number three. I needed Oregon and Oklahoma to lose before this. I can hear the call now..."And The Ohio State Buckeyes back their way into the BCS Championship Game!" Oh well, someone has to win it, may as well be us. Who ever gets it, this may be the most unimpressive National Championship in College Football History.

[HedleyLamarr]

If anything, I'd bet most Georgia fans are hoping for UT to win against UK. Then, the Sugar Bowl is all but wrapped up. Don't even bother with the SECCG.

I don't like this new Mark Richt. He's scary. Like his evil twin suddenly awoke and found new ways to win games.

You would lose this bet.

You should have heard the stadium roar when Vandy was up 17-9 last weekend. UGA fans will be wanting Kentucky to win tomorrow.

Georgia fans care more about winning the SEC than they do about at-large BCS bids or appearances in the National Championship....

[FiddySicks]

I definately have to say this has been one helluva college season with parody and suprises around every corner. Its been nearly perfect, too perfect actually. That's the main reason I feel that were going to be pretty dissapointed when this is all over.nothing against ohio state, really, but if they walk away with the bcs title after all this..... Uggh.

[infrared41]

I definately have to say this has been one helluva college season with parody and suprises around every corner. Its been nearly perfect, too perfect actually. That's the main reason I feel that were going to be pretty dissapointed when this is all over.nothing against ohio state, really, but if they walk away with the bcs title after all this..... Uggh.

I don't know which "we're" you're referring to but I can assure you that if Ohio State wins the BCS title after all this, I won't be disappointed. And I really doubt the other Ohio State fans on the board will mind too much.

But that's beside the point, I think everyone outside Buckeye Nation feels the same way you do. It's going to take everyone but West Virginia to have two losses before Ohio State gets into the Championship game. If there are three one-loss teams left I promise you Ohio State won't make the title game.

, you lose one title game and everyone acts like you're the NCAA version of The 90's Buffalo Bills. Oklahoma got their asses handed to them by USC and lost the thing two years in a row but no one seemed to mind when they were in the mix this year.

But as I said before, I really doubt you have anything to worry about. There are still about three miracles to go before we rain on everyone's parade.

[FiddySicks]

I definately have to say this has been one helluva college season with parody and suprises around every corner. Its been nearly perfect, too perfect actually. That's the main reason I feel that were going to be pretty dissapointed when this is all over.nothing against ohio state, really, but if they walk away with the bcs title after all this..... Uggh.

I don't know which "we're" you're referring to but I can assure you that if Ohio State wins the BCS title after all this, I won't be disappointed. And I really doubt the other Ohio State fans on the board will mind too much.

But that's beside the point, I think everyone outside Buckeye Nation feels the same way you do. It's going to take everyone but West Virginia to have two losses before Ohio State gets into the Championship game. If there are three one-loss teams left I promise you Ohio State won't make the title game.

, you lose one title game and everyone acts like you're the NCAA version of The 90's Buffalo Bills. Oklahoma got their asses handed to them by USC and lost the thing two years in a row but no one seemed to mind when they were in the mix this year.

But as I said before, I really doubt you have anything to worry about. There are still about three miracles to go before we rain on everyone's parade.

It's honestly no disrespect to Ohio State. They are a terriffic team who's only loss came to a team they probably overlooked a bit. But despite that, with as crazy as this season is going it would really be a shame to not see two new teams go for the title. And hey, im sure you and the rest of Buckeye nation would be stoked to see your team win another title, what fan wouldnt? But I can assure you theres gonna be a collective groan from the rest of the nation if it were to happen.

But I will say this. Considering Tennessee has no hopes of sneaking into the national title game, if they do lose tomorrow and open up the possibilities of Georgia sneaking their way in, it really wouldn't kill me to see an Ohio State Georgia matchup. Id still be a bit dissapointed, West Virginia Kansas would be the ideal IMO, but that has potential to be quite a matchup.

[Eye]

Wow, what an amazing season this has been. I wish I had a favorite college team to pull for, dang.

[WJMorris3]

I wonder though. If we end up with just one undefeated team in the Football Bowl Subdivision, then they should be in the national championship, right? At the very least, a BCS spot is due them.