2017 NHL Offseason

[The_Admiral]

Well, I'm much more conservative about the HHoF than anyone involved with it appears to be. I'm not as mad about Kariya and Recchi getting in as I was about Lindros, a player whose absence created more greatness than his presence. He never should have been inducted in a million years. But this whole class feels like "well, we can't make a tourist event out of Teemu Selanne alone." I mean Dave Andreychuk gtfo

 

7 hours ago, Cosmic said:

I really wonder if McPhee isn't overthinking these deals

George McPhee is a known idiot and all the cooing over what a great job he's been doing by having Gary Bettman hand him a loaded gun to put to everyone's head makes me retch.

[Sport]

Eric Lindros' points per game mark is 17th best all-time and it happened in the dead puck era while dealing with concussions before anyone knew what to do about concussions and before the league was like "maybe we shouldn't let Scott Stevens hit people in the head with his shoulder?".

 

I'm more than okay with his inclusion. 

 

 

[Kramerica Industries]

Just gonna say that I feel, among the players, Andreychuk has no business being in the Hall either. He made the bulk of his prowess out of being a power play specialist, and that's fine and valuable and everything, but he was never even close to being among the best forwards in the league during his prime and benefited surely from playing the bulk of his career during the highest scoring era in the league's history.

 

As far as the two former Avs linemates and Recchi? I've got no problem with any of them. I probably rated Recchi higher than most during his playing career; I always felt he would end up in the Hall and as a deserving candidate at that.

[The_Admiral]

The real shame of the Recchi induction is that it gives the worst championship team of the modern era a Hall of Famer -- Staal and Brind'Amour have even less business in there than Recchi, who was very good for a long time but eventually just hung around padding stats for a long time, so that was their only shot, and they got it. This confers too much legitimacy on that trash-ass power-play-gaming team.

[HedleyLamarr]

11 hours ago, Still MIGHTY said:

 

So, it's his fault the rest of the team sucked?

 

To say flat out that he doesn't deserve it is a bit much. Admittedly, I always thought he was a borderline candidate, and I'm not naive enough to say that his induction doesn't have anything to do with Selanne being inducted this year too. That narrative certainly helped his cause. Plus the discussion started by Lindros the year before and Pavel Bure's case as well probably helped push it forward. All that aside, he has his qualifications.

 

Put up a point-per-game pace, 989 points in 989 games, most of which in the trap era. 100 points twice (99 points in 69 games in 96-97) in a career that, much like Lindros and his induction last year, was just destroyed by injuries. In that 96-97 season (52-goal, 117-point 82-game pace), he missed 13 games due to injury (1st concussion by Matthieu Schneider, and abdominal strain). In 1997-98, he was limited to just 22 games with 17 goals and 31 points (63-goal, 115-point 82-game pace). Now 32 of those games were for contract holdout, so even in 50 games that's 38 goals, 70 points, but Kariya missed the Olympics and the final 3 months of the season with a concussion from Gary Suter. Just those two seasons is potentially 57 points and 29 goals lost. He did post 101 points the season after, but he was up and down forever after that Suter concussion. (And as great as his 2003 "off the floor, on the board" moment was, we all know Stevens damn near killed him.) He lost a season due to lockout, and only played 11 games in 2008-09 (a hip injury against the Ducks, coincidentally, on a hit from behind) and ended his career the next season sighting post-concussion syndrome, not that hip injury.

 

Basically, had he not been kabonged a couple times, Kariya could've had close to 1,200 points in his NHL career, add in some self sabotage with the 32-game holdout and the full season lockout. And with precedents set by Eric Lindros and Pavel Bure, Paul Kariya has the qualifications to be up there with those guys.

 

Not to mention his freshman season at Maine (100 points in 39 games, first freshman to win the Hobey Baker), World Junior Gold, World Championship Gold (and silver), Olympic Gold (and silver). It is the *hockey* hall of fame after all, not just the NHL hall of fame.

 

If he had never gotten his call to the hall, I would've understood. He is on that borderline. But to flat out say he doesn't deserve it? That's harsh.

General rule of thumb is, if you have to go through all this trouble to build a case and couple it with "what could have been", the player isn't Hall-worthy.  All you have to do is say a guy's name, and if there isn't a relatively quick "Yes", he shouldn't be inducted.

 

Luckily for Kariya, the Hockey HoF seems content on being the Hall of Very Good.

[Cosmic]

5 hours ago, Kramerica Industries said:

Andreychuk has no business being in the Hall either. He made the bulk of his prowess out of being a power play specialist, and that's fine and valuable and everything, but he was never even close to being among the best forwards in the league during his prime and benefited surely from playing the bulk of his career during the highest scoring era in the league's history.

He is the career leader in PPG, but his numbers aren't so far out from the people around him; Selanne, Robitaille, Esposito, and Shanahan are right behind him in career PPG, and their goal totals aren't much better (Esposito is, in fairness, 77 goals ahead). He did play in the high-flying 80s, but he also played through the entire dead puck era.

[habsfan1]

13 Million a year for Connor McDavid.

[FGM13]

Mark Recchi isn't a Hall of Famer, that's goddamn ridiculous. 

 

Oh, and I'm more than happy about McDavid's contract. 8 years, 13 million per is perfect.

[The_Admiral]

2 hours ago, FGM13 said:

Mark Recchi isn't a Hall of Famer, that's goddamn ridiculous. 

 

He put up a lot of points for a long time but doesn't feel like a legend of the game. Like Mike Gartner, but better, but then again Gartner is in. I don't know. It still doesn't feel right. Hard no on Andreychuk and Kariya, though, I'm confident in those, and hardest of nos on Jeremy Jacobs, who has dismantled the game more than he's built it.

EDIT: Gartner leads Recchi in goals 708 to 577, a .494 pace to Recchi's .349. Recchi wins on total points and games played, so I don't know. 

[KittSmith_95]

Things that people forget about about Recchi:

 

1. The guy's a winner. 3 Cups as a player (1991, 2006 & 2011) & 2 as a Coach (He's on the Penguins staff right now as a Developmental Coach, so he's gotten 2 more rings with the Penguins). 

 

2. He's the 8th guy to win a Cup in 3 different decades. That alone is a feat in itself. He also owns the Flyers regular season scoring record with 123 points in 1992-93.

 

3. He played in over 1600 NHL games in a career that started in 1988 and ended in 2011. He's 4th all time in games played & 12th in points. True, you could never say he was the best player on the ice..... but Recchi is a Ironman of the NHL. He gets in due to longevity & production, and that alone probably wore voters down. In his last year as a player, at 43 years old.... the guy had 48 points & put up 14 more on route to a Cup ring. He deserves the HOF nod if nothing more than the fact that he always around & put up solid years every year of his career. He also hardly missed games....  & the one year he missed a big chunk of the season (1994-95, in which he played 49 games), he still had 48 points & was on pace for a 80 point year. He was Mister Reliable, a guy you could always count on to give it his all out there. IMO, he deserves it. 

 

 

[Sport]

 

Mark Recchi looks like your dad's friend from college. 

 

I still can't believe an NHL team wore that jersey as their primary home sweater. 

[FGM13]

See, Recchi didn't win the cup in '91, '06, or '11. He was on those cup winning teams, yes, but that's not the same thing. 

[The_Admiral]

I think it's fair to give him full credit on '91, where he had 40 and 73 in a year where Lemieux was on the shelf for 60-some games. No one deserves credit for 2006. 

 

Also in the case for Recchi, he put up the vast majority of his numbers in Philly, Pittsburgh, Montreal, or Boston. Everything you do counts more there, whether you like it or not; if it didn't, we'd still be talking to this day about Ilya Bryzgalov keeping the Flyers in contention but we're not because he turned into a pumpkin the moment he entered a milieu of expectations and accountability, and if playing in Montreal were like playing anywhere else, baby-ass Canadians wouldn't flee it like there's nuclear fallout there or something. So he has that going for him, which is nice. 

[habsfan1]

Exactly one year ago, PK Subban was traded from the Habs...

[Flames1fan]

Look like calgary trying win a  cup next season. 

trade 

J

JUNE 29, 2017

CALGARY

FLAMES

 

 

• G Eddie Lack
• D Ryan Murphy
• 7th-Round Pick (2019)

 

 

CAROLINA
HURRICANES

 

 

• D Keegan Kanzig
• 6th-Round Pick (2019)

UNE 29, 2017

CALGARY

[FGM13]

Oh yes, the goaltending tandem of Mike Smith and Eddie Lack will take the Flames to the Stanley Cup Finals. Are you shaking yet, Western Conference?

[DaRadniz29]

Rumors swirling: Thornton waiting to see if Marleau resigns Sharks. If he does, Thornton resigning is likely. If Marleau signing with a new team might be on condition of signing Thornton too. Pending both like the $ amount and term/year length.  

http://www.csnbayarea.com/sharks/thornton-marleau-inching-closer-leaving-sharks

https://www.nhl.com/news/joe-thornton-patrick-marleau-free-agency-upcoming/c-290224280

 

Given the Sharks other talented, younger players and the contracts of other veterans due up in a year or two, I would be surprised if the can give Thornton and Marleau what each is asking for, both in terms of dollar amount and contract length, and if it's truly the right move for the franchise.  Yeah, I want them back, but just not sure how realistic it is. 

 

Word also is that the package deal of sorts is Thornton initiated the request, and it sounds like it's for any team interested in him (Interested in Me? Sign Marleau too or no deal). If they truly are a package deal, I think that means no Kings, no Ducks. I just don't either having the cap space to sign both, nor the interest in both.  

 

 

[Still MIGHTY]

43 minutes ago, FGM13 said:

Oh yes, the goaltending tandem of Mike Smith and Eddie Lack will take the Flames to the Stanley Cup Finals. Are you shaking yet, Western Conference?

 

A little pee came down my leg

[Flames1fan]

1 hour ago, FGM13 said:

Oh yes, the goaltending tandem of Mike Smith and Eddie Lack will take the Flames to the Stanley Cup Finals. Are you shaking yet, Western Conference?

They also gotten Travis Hamonic. looks like flames are making that run 

[Kramerica Industries]

22 hours ago, KittSmith_95 said:

 & the one year he missed a big chunk of the season (1994-95, in which he played 49 games), he still had 48 points & was on pace for a 80 point year.

 

 

Just FYI, there's a reason he only played that many games in 1995, and, come to think of it, he must have been traded and may have led the league in games played because the NHL only played 48-game schedules due to a lockout in 1994-'95.