dfwabel Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Spanos does not like Kroenke, and this is personal. (Brief history: a few years back Spanos approached Kroenke, told him about some available real estate near Hollywood Park, and suggested that they explore the idea of going in together to develop a stadium there. Kroenke agreed. But instead of following up with Spanos, Kroenke bought the land for himself and Spanos felt betrayed.) Spanos still has an aversion to Kroenke. A while back, when Kroenke offered Spanos a chance to move in to Inglewood, Spanos put Kroenkes letter in the shredder. Spanos was said to be furious with Kroenke after reading Bornsteins relocation application which took shots at the Carson project and touted the attractiveness of the San Diego market. Dean Spanos is a GOOD GUY. Stan Kroenke, on the other hand, is a businessman.Spansos is angry because he has made his money the hard way, through inheritance, while Stan did it the easy way...by marriage.Too funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Meanwhile, in LA:Actually, this is the worst thing they could do, if for no other reason than it could really, really backfire. Not that I expect that, but imagine if this thing's attended by only 50-100 people.I guess that's the risk, but they did well with the last one. And I'm in favor of fans making their voices known, exercising their power. Really didn't understand why nobody in St. Louis organized a rally like this at any point during the process (except for the reason you mention). The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL FANATIC Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 There was one earlier on. Last spring maybe? I would call it reasonably well attended, but not a massive showing of support. Neither embarrassing nor attention grabbing. JUSTIN STRIEBEL | PORTFOLIO | RESUME | CONTACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Yeah, but I don't understand why somebody didn't organize a big rally before one of the games. Possibly the home opener. People are going to be there anyway, so why not ask them to show up an hour earlier to make a statement?Banners, maybe a parade, photo ops, one-on-one interview ops, local media feed picked up by the national, cutaways during the game broadcast, it all could have gone a long way towards showing that St. Louis really cared about keeping the team. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Speaking of which, not a bad turnout. Doesn't take all that much to look really impressive. I love it when fans gather to make their voices heard. Fans have more power than they realize. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwabel Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Fans have more power than they realize.Yes they do.When they go to the ballot box and approve a tax increase for a venue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FDW Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 I don't think it's so much that as looking at Mark Davis and seeing him as the idiot son who inherited the team from Dad, and who'll eventually have to sell it because he's not capable of running it profitably.Mark has been running it profitably, The numbers on Forbes attest to that. The real why he's going to have to sell is that none of the other owners want him there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Fans have more power than they realize.Yes they do.When they go to the ballot box and approve a tax increase for a venue.Yeah, that too. Which they damn well ought to be able to do before their dollars are spent. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HedleyLamarr Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 I don't think it's so much that as looking at Mark Davis and seeing him as the idiot son who inherited the team from Dad, and who'll eventually have to sell it because he's not capable of running it profitably.Mark has been running it profitably, The numbers on Forbes attest to that. The real why he's going to have to sell is that none of the other owners want him there.NFL teams are turning a profit before a ticket is sold for their games..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwabel Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 I don't think it's so much that as looking at Mark Davis and seeing him as the idiot son who inherited the team from Dad, and who'll eventually have to sell it because he's not capable of running it profitably. Mark has been running it profitably, The numbers on Forbes attest to that. The real why he's going to have to sell is that none of the other owners want him there. NFL teams are turning a profit before a ticket is sold for their games.....Exactly!When the TV money basically covers the busisness's largest expense, player payroll, everything else is just gravy, err profit (especially of there is no debt to retire from purchasing the team). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Well, kinda. Yes, player salaries are the lion's share of the expenses. But there's a lot more to it than that - owners can't just pocket the rest. Especially not if they want to actually win. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwabel Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Well, kinda. Yes, player salaries are the lion's share of the expenses. But there's a lot more to it than that - owners can't just pocket the rest. Especially not if they want to actually win.The Packers said they received $187.7 million in national revenue in 2014 and national revenue is what always increases.The 2014 salary cap was $133M.The Packers financial report tells you all you need to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Yes, it does. You can go back and read what they spent on facilities, player development, travel, scouting staff, and the thousand other line items in their budget. That $54M was not raw profit. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh.0 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 So, are there really that many owners left who are STILL holding a grudge against Al Davis' corpse? I think it's about time to let it go. It's probably more so to do with that Al Davis' corpse bred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubsFanBudMan Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Goodell says St. Louis stadium proposal is inadequate, Cowboys officially propose Rams-Chargers pairing:http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25444086/report-goodell-calls-proposals-in-oakland-san-diego-st-louis-unsatisfactory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 None of the three cities have an adequate plan, as it turns out. St. Louis just got closer than the others. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac the Knife Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 I don't think it's so much that as looking at Mark Davis and seeing him as the idiot son who inherited the team from Dad, and who'll eventually have to sell it because he's not capable of running it profitably.Mark has been running it profitably, The numbers on Forbes attest to that. The real why he's going to have to sell is that none of the other owners want him there.NFL teams are turning a profit before a ticket is sold for their games.....Let me rephrase... he's not capable of running it profitably comparative to what'd be expected from a Los Angeles-based franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL FANATIC Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 It will be interesting to see if the NFL tries to force Spanos hand. They very well may approve the Rams and the Chargers for relocation, but not the Raiders. In doing so, Kroenke gets the green light on Inglewood, and Spanos is forced to make a decision. JUSTIN STRIEBEL | PORTFOLIO | RESUME | CONTACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queso fundido Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 If St Louis had built an outdoor stadium in 95 instead of a dome would the Rams still be moving? I haven't heard anything about the Panthers, Ravens, Redskins or Buccaneers needing new stadiums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_tattoos Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Actually there's been quite a bit of talk in DC for a few years now about the Skins loopholing their way into a new stadium. Not out of necessity though. Hotter Than July > Thriller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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