The Oakland Raiders

[Luigi74]

With the prospect of going to the Raiders or Lions does Brady Quinn hold back in his workouts and miss a few questions on the Wonderlic so he could drop to the mid-1st round and not look like a crybaby like John Elway and Eli Manning when they refused to play for certain teams.

[otherwilds]

With the prospect of going to the Raiders or Lions does Brady Quinn hold back in his workouts and miss a few questions on the Wonderlic so he could drop to the mid-1st round and not look like a crybaby like John Elway and Eli Manning when they refused to play for certain teams.

There is too big a drop in the money between the top three slots and say picks 15-20 for anybody to consider a move like that. And would you draft a guy who did not give his best effort to matter what the motivation may be.

[nyk]

With the 1st pick in the 2007 NFL Draft...The Oakland Raiders select....

Quarterback Brady Quinn from the University of Notre Dame

[Pat]

You are severly underestimating JaMarcus Russel's stock. His big arm has scouts drooling. He would instantly have one of the best arms in the NFL when drafted. Plus his physical measurables are spectacular. Now I agree with you, he shouldnt be a top 10 pick but I almost can guarantee it. I've seen some drafts propose the idea of Quinn/Russel going 1,2. Its crazy but it could happen.

As well I dont think Cleveland is commited on Frye, and I think Houston is fed up with Carr. I fully expect Houston to pick up a QB in FA to challenge Carr or for them to draft one to replace him. I know his team around him has sucked but hes gotten too many chances.

As for Buffalo. I know they dont need a WR but I thought Ginn's stock was too good to pass up there. Hes so explosive and good take an up and coming JP Losman to the next level. It may be a bad pick but I couldnt think of anyone else would fit there.

[BCBoy]

Calvin Johnson is looking mighty fine right now, that's one guy I'd put money down on him as a sure fire pick, I don't think he has much bust potential...

Although the Raiders probably shouldn't pick him up (unless they could somehow get Randy Moss out there.)

I agree with Pat on JaMarcus Rusell. I try to watch LSU every time they're on CBS and he's a beast.

[PeytonManningRocks]

I think the Raiders will take Brady Quinn. Who they should take is Troy Smith or JaMarcus Russell.

[Fred T. Jane]

You are severly underestimating JaMarcus Russel's stock. His big arm has scouts drooling. He would instantly have one of the best arms in the NFL when drafted. Plus his physical measurables are spectacular. Now I agree with you, he shouldnt be a top 10 pick but I almost can guarantee it. I've seen some drafts propose the idea of Quinn/Russel going 1,2. Its crazy but it could happen.

Funny, they said the same thing about Ryan Leaf. Simply put, Russell needs another year of polish in order to be considered seriously as an upper echelon pick. When the Ag School's supporters virtually agree that he needs another year with the Tigers, that should speak more volumes than talking heads who think he can pass up Brady Quinn just by lighting up a high school pass defence this evening...

[HedleyLamarr]

Oakland: Needs an entire offence

Detroit: Needs an offencive line, RB, and QB (We may joke, but they are pretty good at WR)

Cleveland: Committed to Charlie Frye

Tampa Bay: Committed to Chris Simms

Arizona: Committed to Matt Leinart

Washington: committed to Jason Campbell

Minnesota: Not terribly committed to Tarvaris Jackson

Houston: Committed to David Carr

Miami: Committed to Daunte Culpepper/Joey Harrington

Atlanta: Committed to Ron Mexico

Houston might go after a QB in the first round. David Carr hasn't brought them anywhere close to a winning season, and drafting a 1st-round QB either gets his butt in gear or his butt out of town.

[Broken Record]

As a Titans fan, I hope the Texans stick with Carr. They should probably draft another DE in the first round.

The day that Carr-nikova leaves will be as sad as the day the Georgia Bulldogs dumped Jim Donnan and the day the Jaguars canned Tom Coughlin.

[FiddySicks]

Hah, wow. Looks like Dwayne Jarrett's stock just skyrocketed. Id have to say, if Tampa passes up on him for another wide reciever, im gonna lose my fu*kin mind. That guy is amazingly talented.

[Grish]

I think Brohm stays for his senior year, and makes a run at the #1 for 08.

Though Al Davis doesnt have a history of drafting 1st Round QB's, itd be insane to pass up on Quinn here. Their offense is dismal and they need a signal caller of the future.

FYI -> Why would Brohm stay another season to go #1 when he can go now? Makes no sense just like having the LSU qb in round one when he will go in round 2 most likely 3.

[Pat]

You are severly underestimating JaMarcus Russel's stock. His big arm has scouts drooling. He would instantly have one of the best arms in the NFL when drafted. Plus his physical measurables are spectacular. Now I agree with you, he shouldnt be a top 10 pick but I almost can guarantee it. I've seen some drafts propose the idea of Quinn/Russel going 1,2. Its crazy but it could happen.

Funny, they said the same thing about Ryan Leaf. Simply put, Russell needs another year of polish in order to be considered seriously as an upper echelon pick. When the Ag School's supporters virtually agree that he needs another year with the Tigers, that should speak more volumes than talking heads who think he can pass up Brady Quinn just by lighting up a high school pass defence this evening...

I'm missing your point. Ryan Leaf went 2nd overall and was one of the most highly touted QB prospects in recent memory. Yes he did suck balls in the NFL. And yes I agree Russel needs more time and I myself think he is very overrated.

BUT the discussion was about where to put him in a mock draft, which predicts where players will be picked. Its not who you think is the best. I think Russel will be picked very highly because scouts love him and he has an amazing set of physical tools. His stock is very high.

As well bucfan if Tampa had the chance to pick either CJ or Dwayne Jarret you'd still want Jarret? Johnson is leagues better imo.

I think Brohm stays for his senior year, and makes a run at the #1 for 08.

Though Al Davis doesnt have a history of drafting 1st Round QB's, itd be insane to pass up on Quinn here. Their offense is dismal and they need a signal caller of the future.

FYI -> Why would Brohm stay another season to go #1 when he can go now? Makes no sense just like having the LSU qb in round one when he will go in round 2 most likely 3.

Not to question your knowledge but it is absurd to suggest Russel will most likely go in round 3. Do some research, watch some games, listen to some scouts. Russel is right now considered a top 10 prospect. Period.

As well Brohm wouldnt go #1 this year. If Oakland goes with a QB it'll most likely be Quinn. With another year under his belt Brohm should be the #1 QB coming out in 08 and he'll have a very high chance to go first overall.

In case you were wondering I am an NFL draft junkie.

[HedleyLamarr]

Also, Russell's size gives him the ability to move to another position, should his QB play not be good enough in the NFL.

[Pat]

Also, Russell's size gives him the ability to move to another position, should his QB play not be good enough in the NFL.

Unlikely. Not with that arm and 1st round money invested. The guy is going to be drafted a quaterback and played as a QB in the NFL. If he sucks and needs to make a change down the road...... but very unlikely.

[NJTank]

Hah, wow. Looks like Dwayne Jarrett's stock just skyrocketed. Id have to say, if Tampa passes up on him for another wide reciever, im gonna lose my fu*kin mind. That guy is amazingly talented.

Nah Matt Millen will pick him he loves getting Wide Receivers.

[HedleyLamarr]

Also, Russell's size gives him the ability to move to another position, should his QB play not be good enough in the NFL.

Unlikely. Not with that arm and 1st round money invested. The guy is going to be drafted a quaterback and played as a QB in the NFL. If he sucks and needs to make a change down the road...... but very unlikely.

So we're in agreement?

[Pat]

Also, Russell's size gives him the ability to move to another position, should his QB play not be good enough in the NFL.

Unlikely. Not with that arm and 1st round money invested. The guy is going to be drafted a quaterback and played as a QB in the NFL. If he sucks and needs to make a change down the road...... but very unlikely.

So we're in agreement?

No. I am saying it is a possibility but its also a possibility that Calvin Johnson could suck and try and be a running back.

My point is your argument would not factor into scouting and where a player is drafted what so ever and the scenario, while somewhat possibile, is very unlikely.

[HedleyLamarr]

My point is your argument would not factor into scouting and where a player is drafted what so ever and the scenario, while somewhat possibile, is very unlikely.

I never said he was going to be drafted as an "athlete".

All I said is that he can be groomed into a position where he still might be able to throw the ball, like a halfback or WR. There have been QB's in the past where they had great physical attributes, only to not cut it in the next level for some reason, yet still got to show flashes of their QB-instincts at another position.

There have been 1st-Round picks who have switched to other positions in the past during their pro careers.

[Pat]

My point is your argument would not factor into scouting and where a player is drafted what so ever and the scenario, while somewhat possibile, is very unlikely.

I never said he was going to be drafted as an "athlete".

All I said is that he can be groomed into a position where he still might be able to throw the ball, like a halfback or WR. There have been QB's in the past where they had great physical attributes, only to not cut it in the next level for some reason, yet still got to show flashes of their QB-instincts at another position.

There have been 1st-Round picks who have switched to other positions in the past during their pro careers.

Very true. I just have a hard time seeing it. It would be like Culpepper being tried out as a HB or WR now. His arm is just too good and I'm not sure he has the straught line speed for a receiver either.

[DG_ThenNowForever]

Buffalo does not need a WR they have Evans, Price, Reed, Parrish, all pretty good. But they do need a OL and mabye DL depending on who leaves

Right. The Bills don't need to become the Lions of the AFC East and draft WRs they don't need. However, the most glaring defection from the Bills is bound to be Nate Clements. McGee and Whitner are decent enough to hold down the fort, but perhaps a new CB is in order.

Otherwise, I would agree with you. The Bills need help on both sides of the line. I would prefer a strong DT, unglamorous though it may be.