NJTank Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 Here are my choices for MLB Awards this year.http://sportsecyclopedia.com/tank/mlb2010/2010mlbawards.htmlComments and your choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sport Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 spell it with me s-a-b-e-r-m-E-t-r-i-c-s. Not sabermatrics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 Bautista hit 50 HR three times? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJTank Posted October 4, 2010 Author Share Posted October 4, 2010 No its the first time in three seasons anyone hit 50 homers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
See Red Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 Bautista hit 50 HR three times? Really?I'm not sure he ever hit 50 career HR's before this season.edit: Now that you've clarified, Tank, it's only slightly less stupid to mention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 No its the first time in three seasons anyone hit 50 homers.It's syntax vs semantics.No reasonable person would read that paragraph and get your intended message out of it. Not one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 I actually understood what he meant.Jose Bautista is the first to hit 50 homers in three seasons, what of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaltimoreFan Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 I'm shocked that Brian Matusz is getting completely snubbed when mentioning AL ROY candidates. I don't mean just by you, Tank, but through out the media. Jayson Stark actually listed Danny Valencia and John Jaso instead of Matusz. Now I'm not saying Matusz should win, his stats are somewhat average. But really so are Austin Jackson's and Wade Davis'. Considering Matusz pitched in the hardest division in baseball and according to Baseball Prospectus faced the toughest opposistion in the AL (average batter faced had a .746 OPS), I think he at least deserves to be mentioned. Heck, he outpitched Wade Davis just last week. I don't understand how nobody seems to have noticed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WJMorris3 Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 Roy Halladay would not have had 21 wins if he had a poor offense behind him. The NL Cy Young probably belongs to either Ubaldo Jiminez or Tim Lincecum (who, let's remember, had more strikeouts than anybody in the NL). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJTank Posted October 4, 2010 Author Share Posted October 4, 2010 Roy Halladay would not have had 21 wins if he had a poor offense behind him. The NL Cy Young probably belongs to either Ubaldo Jiminez or Tim Lincecum (who, let's remember, had more strikeouts than anybody in the NL).Strikeouts you are basing the Cy Young Award on strike outs? Crash Davis said it best Strike outs are facist. Strike outs are vastly over rated if you get outs it should not matter how you get them. Ubaldo had a medicore second half and Linecum did not have as good as year as Halladay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 Roy Halladay would not have had 21 wins if he had a poor offense behind him. The NL Cy Young probably belongs to either Ubaldo Jiminez or Tim Lincecum (who, let's remember, had more strikeouts than anybody in the NL).Strikeouts you are basing the Cy Young Award on strike outs? Crash Davis said it best Strike outs are facist. Strike outs are vastly over rated if you get outs it should not matter how you get them. Ubaldo had a medicore second half and Linecum did not have as good as year as Halladay.This from a guy who contends that wins are a critical element in evaluating a pitcher's individual performance.I love the raw dadaism that comes from your baseball posts Tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 Roy Halladay would not have had 21 wins if he had a poor offense behind him. The NL Cy Young probably belongs to either Ubaldo Jiminez or Tim Lincecum (who, let's remember, had more strikeouts than anybody in the NL).I'd love to agree with you and say that Halladay won it only because of an east coast media bias, but it's just not true. Lincecum had a GREAT year by anyones standards, and there were still those who were talking about sending him down to AAA while he was struggling While he was good, I'd say that Lincecum has much more electric stuff than Halladay does, but the thing that Halladay has over Lincecum is consistency. Lincecum struggled pretty bad at times this year, Halladay hardly hit speed bump (In fact, he's ALWAYS been like that as far as I know). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lights Out Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 You lost all credibility at "Felix Hernandez had great numbers and pitched in bad luck on bad team, but I can't overlook his mediocre 13-12 record."Sorry, but when your rationale for giving a worse pitcher the award is based entirely on wins, I can't take it seriously. I mean, I'm a Rays fan and even I'm willing to acknowledge that Felix deserves the Cy Young over Price (and Sabathia, too). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJTank Posted October 4, 2010 Author Share Posted October 4, 2010 Im a traditionalist who attaches a huge value to Win-Loss record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 Im a traditionalist who attaches a huge value to Win-Loss record.And there may have been a time when wins were more important. Like when pitchers hit and when complete games were the norm rather than the noteworthy exception. Neither has been the case for decades in the AL, though, so perhaps its time to get with the program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFoA Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Felix Hernandez could not help the fact that he had absolutely abysmal run support. The stats prove that in the games he pitched Felix was the best pitcher & put his team in position to win almost all of the time. The only stat that is going against him is the Wins, but once again, what the could Felix do about that?! When a guy had absolutely nothing to do with how his offense played, how can you hold that against him, and that's the ONLY thing that you could hold against him. Tank, I know you hate sabermetrics, but this stat should be simple enough for you: In his 12 losses, he had 7 runs of support. 7 RUNS OF HELP IN 12 GAMES!!! Yet his ERA was still microscopic. It is a truly ridiculous argument to hold wins against him. Then you could say "Oh, I bet he couldn't do that against the AL East," then I kindly direct you to his stats against the AL East:5-1, 0.63 ERA, including 3-0 against the Yankees with a 0.35 ERA. 2 of those games were in Yankee Stadium. I mean, come on.Not saying that Price or CC aren't great pitchers because they are, but it is pretty damn obvious that Felix was the best this year, and he deserves the Cy Young in the AL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loogodude90 Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 I agree that the Bautista could be typed more clearly, How about "Bautista became the first player to hit 50 home runs in a season since 2007"I mean he was the only one to do it this season so you might as well make it as clear as possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJTank Posted October 6, 2010 Author Share Posted October 6, 2010 Felix Hernandez could not help the fact that he had absolutely abysmal run support. The stats prove that in the games he pitched Felix was the best pitcher & put his team in position to win almost all of the time. The only stat that is going against him is the Wins, but once again, what the could Felix do about that?! When a guy had absolutely nothing to do with how his offense played, how can you hold that against him, and that's the ONLY thing that you could hold against him. Tank, I know you hate sabermetrics, but this stat should be simple enough for you: In his 12 losses, he had 7 runs of support. 7 RUNS OF HELP IN 12 GAMES!!! Yet his ERA was still microscopic. It is a truly ridiculous argument to hold wins against him. Then you could say "Oh, I bet he couldn't do that against the AL East," then I kindly direct you to his stats against the AL East:5-1, 0.63 ERA, including 3-0 against the Yankees with a 0.35 ERA. 2 of those games were in Yankee Stadium. I mean, come on.Not saying that Price or CC aren't great pitchers because they are, but it is pretty damn obvious that Felix was the best this year, and he deserves the Cy Young in the AL.Well many feel like you do, I have stated my feelings, and the picks I make on this page are my choices for the award. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lights Out Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Feel free to take that attitude, but just remember this when you're wondering why nobody takes your predictions seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJTank Posted October 6, 2010 Author Share Posted October 6, 2010 Feel free to take that attitude, but just remember this when you're wondering why nobody takes your predictions seriously.The Awards page is not a prediction page, its my vote page. If I had a vote I chose Price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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