dfwabel Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Irving/Love/LeBron is nowhere near as good as Wade/Bosh/LeBron.Love is a rebounding machineIrving and lebron have great chemistry together as evidence from the all star gameAnd the you have all the young talent around them, and veterans like varajo, and Allen and miller could be coming with him too, the team will practically be unstoppableUntil Kyrie gets his annual injury and LeBron has to handle the ball too much and they become just as stagnant as the Heat were in games 3-5 of this season's Finals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ateles fusciceps Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Kyrie Irving is one of the worst defensive players in the league. He's atrocious. Kyrue Irving won't be scoring 21 PPG on a team where LeBron is the dominant ball handler & Love takes a ton of shots.....You're left with an injury prone PG who doesn't play defense & averages 6 assists & 3 turnovers per game. LeBron doesn't fit well with a team built around a PG. He's a point forward, he doesn't need a great PG. He needs a great Center & shooters who can spread the floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DS729 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Irving/Love/LeBron is nowhere near as good as Wade/Bosh/LeBron.Love is a rebounding machineIrving and lebron have great chemistry together as evidence from the all star gameAnd the you have all the young talent around them, and veterans like varajo, and Allen and miller could be coming with him too, the team will practically be unstoppableIrving isn't even a top 10 PG. He's the most overrated player in the league. Wade is an all-time great & played phenomenally during their title runs.Love is overrated. He's never made his team better. His scoring is inflated due to taking so many shots on a bad team. Yes he's a great rebounder but he is absolutely terrible defensively. Bosh is a great player.They aren't gonna have all those great going assets when they trade them all away for Love.So, you're telling me that one of the best young PG's in the league, who is very proficient at shooting and passing the ball, and one of the best rebounders in the league, who can also knock down three's. Is WORSE THAN an aging, injury-prone SG, and a decent PF, who struggles from 3-PT range and isn't a great defender anyway. And a bench filled with aging vets, and 3-PT chuckers, bar Norris Cole. There's no future for Miami, they've peaked IMO, but Cleveland still can improve. They have a lot of young players, and an overall bench that is far better than Miami's. Kyrie is entering his 4th season, and Love is younger than the other two anyway. Kyrie Irving is one of the worst defensive players in the league. He's atrocious.Kyrue Irving won't be scoring 21 PPG on a team where LeBron is the dominant ball handler & Love takes a ton of shots.....You're left with an injury prone PG who doesn't play defense & averages 6 assists & 3 turnovers per game.LeBron doesn't fit well with a team built around a PG. He's a point forward, he doesn't need a great PG. He needs a great Center & shooters who can spread the floor.Irving will be averaging much more than 6 assists when he can finally dump it off to someone who can score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wonderbread Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Exactly, couldn't have said it better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ateles fusciceps Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Irving/Love/LeBron is nowhere near as good as Wade/Bosh/LeBron.Love is a rebounding machineIrving and lebron have great chemistry together as evidence from the all star gameAnd the you have all the young talent around them, and veterans like varajo, and Allen and miller could be coming with him too, the team will practically be unstoppableIrving isn't even a top 10 PG. He's the most overrated player in the league. Wade is an all-time great & played phenomenally during their title runs.Love is overrated. He's never made his team better. His scoring is inflated due to taking so many shots on a bad team. Yes he's a great rebounder but he is absolutely terrible defensively. Bosh is a great player.They aren't gonna have all those great going assets when they trade them all away for Love. So, you're telling me that one of the best young PG's in the league, who is very proficient at shooting and passing the ball, and one of the best rebounders in the league, who can also knock down three's. Is WORSE THAN an aging, injury-prone SG, and a decent PF, who struggles from 3-PT range and isn't a great defender anyway. And a bench filled with aging vets, and 3-PT chuckers, bar Norris Cole. There's no future for Miami, they've peaked IMO, but Cleveland still can improve. They have a lot of young players, and an overall bench that is far better than Miami's. Kyrie is entering his 4th season, and Love is younger than the other two anyway. Kyrie Irving is one of the worst defensive players in the league. He's atrocious.Kyrue Irving won't be scoring 21 PPG on a team where LeBron is the dominant ball handler & Love takes a ton of shots.....You're left with an injury prone PG who doesn't play defense & averages 6 assists & 3 turnovers per game.LeBron doesn't fit well with a team built around a PG. He's a point forward, he doesn't need a great PG. He needs a great Center & shooters who can spread the floor.Irving will be averaging much more than 6 assists when he can finally dump it off to someone who can score. Yet he'll still be an overrated, injury prone player who turns the ball over and can't guard a milk carton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBolt3 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 $63 million for Hayward? Wow, could've gotten him for cheaper. Maybe $55 million would've been better, but over $60 million seems like a stretch. Whatever team gets him, it's worth a pretty penny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wonderbread Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Irving/Love/LeBron is nowhere near as good as Wade/Bosh/LeBron.Love is a rebounding machineIrving and lebron have great chemistry together as evidence from the all star gameAnd the you have all the young talent around them, and veterans like varajo, and Allen and miller could be coming with him too, the team will practically be unstoppableIrving isn't even a top 10 PG. He's the most overrated player in the league. Wade is an all-time great & played phenomenally during their title runs.Love is overrated. He's never made his team better. His scoring is inflated due to taking so many shots on a bad team. Yes he's a great rebounder but he is absolutely terrible defensively. Bosh is a great player.They aren't gonna have all those great going assets when they trade them all away for Love. So, you're telling me that one of the best young PG's in the league, who is very proficient at shooting and passing the ball, and one of the best rebounders in the league, who can also knock down three's. Is WORSE THAN an aging, injury-prone SG, and a decent PF, who struggles from 3-PT range and isn't a great defender anyway. And a bench filled with aging vets, and 3-PT chuckers, bar Norris Cole. There's no future for Miami, they've peaked IMO, but Cleveland still can improve. They have a lot of young players, and an overall bench that is far better than Miami's. Kyrie is entering his 4th season, and Love is younger than the other two anyway. Kyrie Irving is one of the worst defensive players in the league. He's atrocious.Kyrue Irving won't be scoring 21 PPG on a team where LeBron is the dominant ball handler & Love takes a ton of shots.....You're left with an injury prone PG who doesn't play defense & averages 6 assists & 3 turnovers per game.LeBron doesn't fit well with a team built around a PG. He's a point forward, he doesn't need a great PG. He needs a great Center & shooters who can spread the floor.Irving will be averaging much more than 6 assists when he can finally dump it off to someone who can score. Yet he'll still be an overrated, injury prone player who turns the ball over and can't guard a milk carton.with lebron he wont need to guard their best player anymore, and the only problem I've consistently seen is not getting around picks well which can be his teammates fault for not rotating. Also having lebron will teach kyrie how to defend and he will demand it from him. Also with having to do less with lebron theoretically he should be less injury prone. But we wont know until it happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
See Red Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Irving/Love/LeBron is nowhere near as good as Wade/Bosh/LeBron.Love is a rebounding machineIrving and lebron have great chemistry together as evidence from the all star gameAnd the you have all the young talent around them, and veterans like varajo, and Allen and miller could be coming with him too, the team will practically be unstoppableIrving isn't even a top 10 PG. He's the most overrated player in the league. Wade is an all-time great & played phenomenally during their title runs.Love is overrated. He's never made his team better. His scoring is inflated due to taking so many shots on a bad team. Yes he's a great rebounder but he is absolutely terrible defensively. Bosh is a great player.They aren't gonna have all those great going assets when they trade them all away for Love.You'd rather have Chris Bosh than Kevin Love?I can't take you seriously anymore.By the way, anybody talking ill about Kyrie's defense, did you not watch Dwyane Wade this postseason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CS85 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Carmelo returns to the Knicks. Quote "You are nothing more than a small cancer on this message board. You are not entertaining, you are a complete joke." twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ateles fusciceps Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Irving/Love/LeBron is nowhere near as good as Wade/Bosh/LeBron.Love is a rebounding machineIrving and lebron have great chemistry together as evidence from the all star gameAnd the you have all the young talent around them, and veterans like varajo, and Allen and miller could be coming with him too, the team will practically be unstoppableIrving isn't even a top 10 PG. He's the most overrated player in the league. Wade is an all-time great & played phenomenally during their title runs.Love is overrated. He's never made his team better. His scoring is inflated due to taking so many shots on a bad team. Yes he's a great rebounder but he is absolutely terrible defensively. Bosh is a great player.They aren't gonna have all those great going assets when they trade them all away for Love. You'd rather have Chris Bosh than Kevin Love?I can't take you seriously anymore.By the way, anybody talking ill about Kyrie's defense, did you not watch Dwyane Wade this postseason?I'd probably take Love simply because he's younger. But they're both pretty equal overall.Love last yr vs Bosh last yr in TOR:Love- 40 wins, 46% Fg, 26 Pt, 13 Reb, 4 AstBosh- 40 wins, 52% Fg, 24 Pt, 11 Reb, 3 AstThe only reason Bosh's numbers have decreased are because he's played alongside two ball dominant stars & his touches have decreased. Not to mention Miami has wasted his talented & either played him out of position as a Center or stuck him at the 3 pt line.He's just as good as Love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
See Red Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Irving/Love/LeBron is nowhere near as good as Wade/Bosh/LeBron.Love is a rebounding machineIrving and lebron have great chemistry together as evidence from the all star gameAnd the you have all the young talent around them, and veterans like varajo, and Allen and miller could be coming with him too, the team will practically be unstoppableIrving isn't even a top 10 PG. He's the most overrated player in the league. Wade is an all-time great & played phenomenally during their title runs.Love is overrated. He's never made his team better. His scoring is inflated due to taking so many shots on a bad team. Yes he's a great rebounder but he is absolutely terrible defensively. Bosh is a great player.They aren't gonna have all those great going assets when they trade them all away for Love. You'd rather have Chris Bosh than Kevin Love?I can't take you seriously anymore.By the way, anybody talking ill about Kyrie's defense, did you not watch Dwyane Wade this postseason?I'd probably take Love simply because he's younger. But they're both pretty equal overall.Love last yr vs Bosh last yr in TOR:Love- 40 wins, 46% Fg, 26 Pt, 13 Reb, 4 AstBosh- 40 wins, 52% Fg, 24 Pt, 11 Reb, 3 AstThe only reason Bosh's numbers have decreased are because he's played alongside two ball dominant stars & his touches have decreased. Not to mention Miami has wasted his talented & either played him out of position as a Center or stuck him at the 3 pt line.He's just as good as Love.Win shares...2013-14 Kevin Love - 14.32009-10 Chris Bosh - 9.6PER2013-14 Kevin Love - 26.972009-10 Chris Bosh - 25.11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDixonDesign Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Carmelo returns to the Knicks.Not according to his agent, to ESPN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CS85 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Carmelo returns to the Knicks.Not according to his agent, to ESPN.It was tweeted by a reporter for the NY Daily News. I didn't realize that his credibility was so poor, but I'm hearing that it's not legit. Quote "You are nothing more than a small cancer on this message board. You are not entertaining, you are a complete joke." twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
See Red Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Carmelo returns to the Knicks.Not according to his agent, to ESPN.It was tweeted by a reporter for the NY Daily News. I didn't realize that his credibility was so poor, but I'm hearing that it's not legit.I saw it on RealGM too, so who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwabel Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Next season's salary cap is now official: $63.065MM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Zephyr III Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 So it really is financial for Melo if that's the case: he has long-term security with the hope that Phil Jackson and Derek Fisher can turn things around in the 2015 offseason (they're only going to do marginally better next year because the rest of the East will only get weaker) and if he doesn't care for the team anymore SOMEONE will trade for him (Brooklyn around 2016 perhaps?) and he'll still have his $129M contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ateles fusciceps Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Rumors circulating that Utah is making a last second effort & trying to talk Charlotte into a S&T for Hayward before he signs the QO at 12:01AM. They reportedly want Kidd-Gilchrist & Biyombo. I'm sure Cho will agree to send Utah a 20 year old SF who has the most potential on his roster & a 21 year old Center who is already the best rim protector in the NBA in exchange for Hayward.Cho called your bluff Jazz, time to pay up or shut up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wonderbread Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Rumors circulating that Utah is making a last second effort & trying to talk Charlotte into a S&T for Hayward before he signs the QO at 12:01AM. They reportedly want Kidd-Gilchrist & Biyombo.I'm sure Cho will agree to send Utah a 20 year old SF who has the most potential on his roster & a 21 year old Center who is already the best rim protector in the NBA in exchange for Hayward.Cho called your bluff Jazz, time to pay up or shut up.you are the worst homer I've ever seen. You say Love, and Irving are far worse than an old wade and bosh, and then say Biyombo is the best rim protector in the league? he had 1 block per game, 4.8 rebounds, 3 points. the guy is a scrub. Then saying Kidd-Gilchrist has the most potential on the roster means he also sucks but maybe could get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DS729 Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Rumors circulating that Utah is making a last second effort & trying to talk Charlotte into a S&T for Hayward before he signs the QO at 12:01AM. They reportedly want Kidd-Gilchrist & Biyombo.I'm sure Cho will agree to send Utah a 20 year old SF who has the most potential on his roster & a 21 year old Center who is already the best rim protector in the NBA in exchange for Hayward.Cho called your bluff Jazz, time to pay up or shut up.You can't be serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ateles fusciceps Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Rumors circulating that Utah is making a last second effort & trying to talk Charlotte into a S&T for Hayward before he signs the QO at 12:01AM. They reportedly want Kidd-Gilchrist & Biyombo.I'm sure Cho will agree to send Utah a 20 year old SF who has the most potential on his roster & a 21 year old Center who is already the best rim protector in the NBA in exchange for Hayward.Cho called your bluff Jazz, time to pay up or shut up.you are the worst homer I've ever seen. You say Love, and Irving are far worse than an old wade and bosh, and then say Biyombo is the best rim protector in the league? he had 1 block per game, 4.8 rebounds, 3 points. the guy is a scrub. Then saying Kidd-Gilchrist has the most potential on the roster means he also sucks but maybe could get better.Bismack Biyombo was #1 in the NBA in rim protection. He allowed a league low 38.4 opponent FG% at the rim. Roy Hibbert was 2nd at 41.7%.Per 100 possessions:Biyombo- 17.7 Rebounds, 4.2 BlocksIbaka- 12.8 Rebounds, 4.1 Blocks Dwight- 18.0 Rebounds, 2.7 BlocksBiyombo's total numbers are low because he played limited minutes last season. Partially because he's only 21 & had only played basketball for 5 years, and partially because he backs up one of the best post players in the league.Advanced stats say he is the best rim protector in the game. But go ahead, call me a homer and argue against facts and statistics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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