rams80 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Your "curse on both their houses" doesn't work here. Bernke chose to be childish and nasty when someone else was getting screwed, and now he wants the entire world to come to his aid when he feels he's being screwed. Far as I'm concerned, this is the only good thing about the probable relocation. This is just basically the raw emotion of sports right? Bad things that happen to your team are bad. Good things that happen to your team are good and deserved because of the bad things that happened to your team. Screw everyone who disagrees. The NFL thrives on this emotion. I'm not absolving Bernie of hypocrisy, but I'm saying it's something most people are guilty of in sports. I dunno, if the Post-Dispatch is forced to RIF Bernie as a consequence of the Rams moving, I can't help but think that this is objectively a victory for journalism. Mind you, I've never read his baseball stuff, so I'm just going off of the football side of things. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL FANATIC Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Your "curse on both their houses" doesn't work here.Bernke chose to be childish and nasty when someone else was getting screwed, and now he wants the entire world to come to his aid when he feels he's being screwed. Far as I'm concerned, this is the only good thing about the probable relocation. This is just basically the raw emotion of sports right?Bad things that happen to your team are bad. Good things that happen to your team are good and deserved because of the bad things that happened to your team. Screw everyone who disagrees.The NFL thrives on this emotion. I'm not absolving Bernie of hypocrisy, but I'm saying it's something most people are guilty of in sports.Hardly. Most sports fans are able to maintain a semblance of rationality from time to time.But he's not a fan. He's a journalist. Or at least he's supposed to be. Behaving like the worst kind of fan is beneath him, and beneath his station. He loses all credibility.It's one thing for fans to whinge about "fairness" and "rules" and "the process". But this man has a Hall of Fame vote. He has to have just a little more prospective than your average internet troll.He was a columnist, and now he's a radio host. I think there's a pretty blurry line there on whether he has to remain objective in those roles.The Board of Aldermen moved forward with the new version of the stadium bill today. It will pass officially on Friday.Sigh. JUSTIN STRIEBEL | PORTFOLIO | RESUME | CONTACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hbgoo1975 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Looks like Goodell might keep the Rams in St.Louis. SMH..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL FANATIC Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 It's looking more and more likely that St. Louis is going to keep the Rams and that it will be the Chargers and Raiders in Carson.A year or so ago, I'd have been thrilled to be right (if that's indeed the case). Now I can't even be excited about that. Gross. JUSTIN STRIEBEL | PORTFOLIO | RESUME | CONTACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I don't know what's changed to make you say that. Nobody seriously thought the city would reject the plan, least of all you. But have they closed the budget gap? Have they done anything to address the deficiencies Grubman talked about that make the plan substandard?And yes, I had forgotten that Betnie is now a radio host. He's the perfect guy - objectivity is not required, and neither is consistency, reason or intellect. He has the perfect radio blather. ? The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL FANATIC Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 It's not that St. Louis passed it that has me feeling that way. It's that all in the past week we've found out that the Raiders and Chargers are staying strongly committed to each other, the LA committee (via Richardson, collusion concerns aside) has been pushing the Carson plan forward, and now apparently the changes in the STL stadium plan are largely driven by working with the LA committee (reportedly led by McNair).All Grubman would commit to was that the plan wasn't good enough to get Kroenke to sign on the dotted line. He even admitted getting the owners to block Kroenke was another story.And that seems to be the story we're heading towards.Not a prediction or a statement of fact. It's not even what I want to happen any more. Just seems the most likely of the outcomes at this point to me. All remains fluid. JUSTIN STRIEBEL | PORTFOLIO | RESUME | CONTACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockstar Matt Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 To, me, because of Ricardson getting involved when he shouldn't have, it all but guarantees the Rams will be one of the teams moving. IMO, it seems like the owners prefer Kronke's stadium over the Carson stadium, but because Spanos has been struggling for 15 years to get something done in San Diego, they feel like he deserves LA. Which would be fine and dandy if he was the first owner to announce he was building a stadium in LA, but he didn't. He only did so because someone else had the initiative to get something done. Cowboys - Lakers - LAFC - USMNT - LA Rams - LA Kings - NUFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 I think the owners like Spanos better, and would probably prefer that it is Spanos. But business is business, and Kroenke's plan is by far the most sound. That's why you're hearing noise about the NFL putting money into a stadium in Oakland; they need to make sure all three teams are taken care of somehow. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL FANATIC Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Bob McNair is just one of 29 owners with a vote. (I'm assuming the 3 involved have to sit it out.)He is on the LA committee, though, and he seems be leaning pretty strongly towards one outcome.http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2015/12/bob-mcnair-discusses-nfls-possible-move-back-to-l-a/ JUSTIN STRIEBEL | PORTFOLIO | RESUME | CONTACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac the Knife Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Actually, there'll be 31 votes cast on each application ultimately. The only ones who cannot vote are the "applicants for relocation" themselves. The Raiders historically abstain from all league votes as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Once the committee makes its recommendation, how much weight do they have? Certain individual owners will, of course, but McNair? I honestly don't know the answer. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DustDevil61 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 With this next week's game in San Diego against Miami quite possibly being the last game the Chargers play there, Dolphins owner Steve Ross (who supports Kroenke/Inglewood) will meet with Dean Spanos. Other than that, the article covers much of what we already know.The main players on supporting each project are listed, but do we have a rough count of who (supposedly) supports which project? http://i.imgur.com/Pyc5qRH.gifhttp://i.imgur.com/RDXvxFE.gif LED Sig Credits to packerfan21396 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL FANATIC Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Once the committee makes its recommendation, how much weight do they have? Certain individual owners will, of course, but McNair? I honestly don't know the answer.I believe the last update was that it isn't even a certainty the committee will make a recommendation. So who knows. JUSTIN STRIEBEL | PORTFOLIO | RESUME | CONTACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 And keep in mind they're not voting for one over the other. So it's not like it's going to be 15-to-14 or anything like that. There may be owners who vote not to let anyone relocate, there may be owners who vote to let all three relocate. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac the Knife Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Exactly. I'd be surprised, for example, if the Bidwills or Irsays voted against any of the applications. I'd be equally surprised if Kroenke, Spanos or Davis voted for any of the others.I'd be at least a little surprised if anyone had the 24 'yes' votes needed to move, at least at this point, especially given recent developments. The only one I'd think a lock to move is the Chargers, because "they've been trying for 15 years" and most everyone in the owners' clique likes Spanos. But the clique also dislikes Davis which, as business-like as these guys are playing it, will be a factor in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeye Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 No news to report here, but Philip Rivers acknowledges what could be the last game in San Diego.http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/philip_rivers_ill_soak_in_potential_final_game_in_san_diego/s1_12680_20061487 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosrs1 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 No news to report here, but Philip Rivers acknowledges what could be the last game in San Diego.http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/philip_rivers_ill_soak_in_potential_final_game_in_san_diego/s1_12680_20061487The sports media around San Diego in the last week have gone from being defiant and optimistic to downright defeatist. They're giving off the vibe that it really is over and this is the San Diego Chargers final game. And based on comments and actions by the owners in the last week it's not hard to see why. The relocation committee seems to be lining up behind Carson and pushing St. Louis through to the exclusion of Kroneke's wishes. If one of two of Kroenke's supporters turn, it's all over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosrs1 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I think the owners like Spanos better, and would probably prefer that it is Spanos.But business is business, and Kroenke's plan is by far the most sound. That's why you're hearing noise about the NFL putting money into a stadium in Oakland; they need to make sure all three teams are taken care of somehow.Which is why it's becoming painfully obvious the Chargers are one of the teams moving to LA. The league is hinting at putting some money into Oakland, they're hinting at more money going to St. Louis which would put it over the top on funding. The only city they're ignoring on the assistance front is San Diego. If they deny the Chargers LA they're up :censored: creek in San Diego as their scorched earth mouthpiece Fabiani has done a bang up job of creating mistrust and indifference toward the Chargers in San Diego. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac the Knife Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I think the Chargers have been toast in San Diego since the last stadium deal fell through; I don't think I've had a moment where I've seen Rams & Raiders happening since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 If the league is hinting at putting money into Oakland, that means the Chargers and Rams are moving. The Chargers don't have the scratch to move by themselves. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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