The Pointless Realignment Outpost

[Philsphan]

I really like your Pac 16 and B16. They are almost ideal, but sadly they probably will never happen. I would adjust the Big XVI, SEC and ACC though. Think about what each conference would want and which conferences have the power to get what they want.

[Funky Bunky]

The Pac 12 would never allow Boise State or San Diego State into their conference. The Pac 12 likes to make sure all of their schools are good academically, and San Diego State and Boise State's academics aren't that great. I could see the Air Force and BYU joining, but I'm still not sure about the AF, as the Air Force is pretty small and has a pretty week athletic department.

[max]

I have figured out the logical solution to the NHL divisional alignment problem. This could work well this year if the league takes it up...

It's based on a simple concept: the division consists of teams grouped with their closest geographical rival.

"Closest Geographical Rival" in parentheses (8 divisions consisting of 3 2-team divisions, 2 3-team divisions, 1 5-team division, 1 6-team division, and 1 7-team division):

(western conference) Pacific Division (5 teams)

Anaheim (LA)

Los Angeles (ANA)

San Jose (LA)

Colorado (PHX)

Phoenix (ANA)

Northwest Division (3 teams)

Calgary (EDM)

Edmonton (CGY)

Vancouver (CGY)

Midwest Division (3 teams)

Nashville (STL)

St. Louis (NSH)

Dallas (STL)

(either conference) Central Division (6 teams)

Chicago (DET)

Minnesota (CHI)

Winnipeg (MIN)

Detroit (CBJ)

Columbus (PIT)

Pittsburgh (CBJ)

(eastern conference) Southeast Division (2 teams)

Florida (TB)

Tampa Bay (FLA)

Mideast Division (2 teams)

Buffalo (TOR)

Toronto (BUF)

Northeast Division (2 teams)

Montreal (OTT)

Ottawa (MTL)

Atlantic Division (7 teams)

New Jersey (NYR)

NY Rangers (NJ)

Philadelphia (NJ)

NY Islanders (NYR)

Washington (PHI)

Carolina (WDC)

Boston (NYI)

Perfect concept, I think I'll be doing more of these. Seems to work, who knows what will happen.

Can I say that these are "real" divisions?

[The_Admiral]

Get off the mescaline.

[max]

Double Dip

[max]

Realignment based on math.

Detroit is about 20,000 miles from every other team.

San Jose is about 55,000 miles from every other team.

I think Detroit could be placed in the Western Conference to offset this. Otherwise, I think a PCHL is viable (think of the farthest western teams re-forming the old Pacific Coast Hockey League):

2 new concepts for Wolf Blitzer:

#1. PCHL -

San Jose

Anaheim

Los Angeles

Phoenix

Calgary

Edmonton

Vancouver

(Colorado and Florida have the about the same amount of distance to cover in a balanced schedule, so if Colorado wants to play in the PCHL, there would be no reason to have a PCHL...basically a West of The Rockies Hockey League)

#2: the "screw Detroit" format -

Western Conference

Anaheim

Los Angeles

Phoenix

San Jose

Colorado

Calgary

Edmonton

Vancouver

Nashville

St. Louis

Dallas

Chicago

Minnesota

Winnipeg

Detroit

Eastern Conference

Columbus

Pittsburgh

Florida

Tampa Bay

Buffalo

Toronto

Montreal

Ottawa

New Jersey

Rangers

Philadelphia

Islanders

Washington

Carolina

Boston

[Funky Bunky]

Realignment based on math.

Detroit is about 20,000 miles from every other team.

San Jose is about 55,000 miles from every other team.

Too bad the circumference of Earth is only about 25,000 miles.

[The_Admiral]

Realignment based on math.

Detroit is about 20,000 miles from every other team.

San Jose is about 55,000 miles from every other team.

Too bad the circumference of Earth is only about 25,000 miles.

oh dear.

Ummm....Valpo's Lutheran (generic).

Huh. Damn Spanish name threw me all these years. Those Spanish Indiana Lutherans.

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2470.6 1194.12 1053.3 1878.55 1693.92 2109.06 2045.55 2026.11 1788.21 2007.17 1214.63 1779.99 1023.22 1440.91 2294.19 1685.71 419.58 1970.21 747.44 43965.83 san jose raleigh 2219.87 610.4 492.27 2041.17 x 642.11 1461.19 374.92 1056.89 511.57 2076.9 672.18 2234.34 989.06 724.04 456.64 420.26 437.27 429.46 684.97 345.78 1905.77 331.25 2384.77 666.32 601.09 546.57 2409.97 233.29 1347.53 27087.98 new jersey chicago 1734.38 849.48 452.34 1399.39 642.11 x 918.97 275.93 805.48 237.3 1436.41 1164.92 1744.26 347.03 746.22 397.67 702.96 733.25 712.96 644.76 664.45 1455.74 409.64 1840.23 262.6 1015.46 436.18 1774.15 594.55 718.15 23382.59 nashville denver 823.24 1767.18 1368.09 896.24 1461.19 918.97 x 1164.69 662.71 1155.36 1035.2 1704.81 831 706.03 1637.41 1021.04 1620.11 1650.53 1630.37 1533.27 1576.35 585.77 1318.86 928.37 795.54 1521.65 1344.08 1106.12 1490.71 800.43 34232.08 winnipeg columbus 1964.14 642.86 294.23 1672.59 374.92 275.93 1164.69 x 913.56 163.97 1703.45 967.55 1975.84 619.32 613.69 333.65 468.17 498.36 479.17 529.16 415.29 1669.22 162.07 2092.37 396.23 843.31 316.11 2049.97 326.92 972.61 22935.21 toronto dallas 1220.61 1550.84 1198.9 1536.13 1056.89 805.48 662.71 913.56 x 1000.35 1655.66 1093.21 1238.91 865.18 1517.44 616.98 1364.25 1392.75 1375.56 1423.54 1299 891.65 1070.37 1450.81 548.35 913.03 1204.68 1768.68 1183.21 1184.3 32782.42 minnesota detroit 1971.68 612.27 215.58 1575.49 511.57 237.3 1155.36 163.97 1000.35 x 1592.57 1129.68 1981.51 534.05 521.05 470.95 472.28 502.13 481.73 423.94 442.11 1691.85 205.3 2073.78 455.07 1007.27 206.61 1966.07 394.88 852.41 22877.13 chicago edmonton 1380.47 2075.3 1735.02 174.52 2076.9 1436.41 1035.2 1703.45 1655.66 1592.57 x 2544.81 1368.25 1090.17 1849.67 1758.39 2017.55 2042.58 2023.78 1764.85 2012.44 1385.3 1797.84 1190.83 1508.12 2372.22 1682.97 509.41 1986.4 742.68 45133.29 minnesota sunrise 2302.38 1236.71 1159.91 2470.6 672.18 1164.92 1704.81 967.55 1093.21 1129.68 2544.81 x 2322.07 1482.22 1389.5 791.47 1067.62 1076.73 1074.67 1356.58 998.87 1972.15 988.14 2543.95 1037.34 183.16 1211.28 2781.7 901.06 1871.7 39194.59 columbus los angeles 24.12 2593.74 2195.78 1194.12 2234.34 1744.26 831 1975.84 1238.91 1981.51 1368.25 2322.07 x 1530.53 2468.4 1778.43 2439.49 2469.97 2450.07 2364.26 2390.96 349.97 2134.54 306.16 1587.78 2145.88 2173.74 1081.12 2296.77 1532.24 51180.13 vancouver st. paul 1524.61 1113.45 721.37 1053.3 989.06 347.03 706.03 619.32 865.18 534.05 1090.17 1482.22 1530.53 x 950.09 691.76 1000.12 1029.02 1008.75 846.87 975.55 1286.68 734.07 1580.15 462.23 1320.63 683.61 1434.52 924.15 390.91 26370.82 columbus montreal 2460.52 250.8 320.23 1878.55 724.04 746.22 1637.41 613.69 1517.44 521.05 1849.67 1389.5 2468.4 950.09 x 944.73 331.62 332.6 327.46 104.14 392.92 2195.56 478.41 2530.24 975.6 1324.27 314.46 2293.55 490.9 1133.72 29037.27 ny rangers nashville 1763.72 942.7 627.05 1693.92 456.64 397.67 1021.04 333.65 616.98 470.95 1758.39 791.47 1778.43 691.76 944.73 x 751.74 779.42 763.03 862.57 684.19 1449.16 472.12 1936.38 253.34 629.25 649.28 2030.64 566.64 1082.28 25435.42 detroit newark 2428.43 196.35 284.54 2109.06 420.26 702.96 1620.11 468.17 1364.25 472.28 2017.55 1067.62 2439.49 1000.12 331.62 751.74 x 30.48 11.31 333.14 75.28 2136.79 306.52 2543.18 864.3 1017.74 334.6 2420.29 198.38 1276.79 26794.92 washington uniondale 2458.9 174.22 311.62 2045.55 437.27 733.25 1650.53 498.36 1392.75 502.13 2042.58 1076.73 2469.97 1029.02 332.6 779.42 30.48 x 20.4 343.41 97.67 2167.12 336.83 2573.48 894.42 1031.67 360.16 2447.6 221.52 1302.44 27303.2 washington manhattan 2439.04 185.66 291.88 2026.11 429.46 712.96 1630.37 479.17 1375.56 481.73 2023.78 1074.67 2450.07 1008.75 327.46 763.03 11.31 20.4 x 332.45 85.41 2147.65 317.45 2553.18 875.33 1026.19 341.04 2427.85 208.94 1283.35 26891.21 washington ottawa 2356.39 313.48 235.91 1788.21 684.97 644.76 1533.27 529.16 1423.54 423.94 1764.85 1356.58 2364.26 846.87 104.14 862.57 333.14 343.41 332.45 x 379.28 2091.99 407.41 2426.94 878.99 1278.95 219.03 2201.48 456.61 1041.61 27267.8 ny rangers philadelphia 2379.36 270.84 279.79 2007.17 345.78 664.45 1576.35 415.29 1299 442.11 2012.44 998.87 2390.96 975.55 392.92 684.19 75.28 97.67 85.41 379.28 x 2083.79 257.49 2502.15 809.16 944.67 335.86 2403.82 123.93 1269.97 26124.19 pittsburgh glendale 330.3 2300.51 1907.43 1214.63 1905.77 1455.74 585.77 1669.22 891.65 1691.85 1385.3 1972.15 349.97 1286.68 2195.56 1449.16 2136.79 2167.12 2147.65 2091.99 2083.79 x 1830.3 606.61 1274.94 1796.23 1891.16 1223.54 1983.6 1367.09 44862.2 dallas pittsburgh 2123.18 482 178.76 1779.99 331.25 409.64 1318.86 162.07 1070.37 205.3 1797.84 988.14 2134.54 734.07 478.41 472.12 306.52 336.83 317.45 407.41 257.49 1830.3 x 2244.85 558.25 889.09 224.43 2168.23 190.4 1057.27 23331.88 toronto san jose 329.9 2681.52 2282.39 1023.22 2384.77 1840.23 928.37 2092.37 1450.81 2073.78 1190.83 2543.95 306.16 1580.15 2530.24 1936.38 2543.18 2573.48 2553.18 2426.94 2502.15 606.61 2244.85 x 1721.74 2363.75 2252.97 826.89 2418.77 1502.45 53382.13 colorado st. louis 1575.13 1036.9 661.55 1440.91 666.32 262.6 795.54 396.23 548.35 455.07 1508.12 1037.34 1587.78 462.23 975.6 253.34 864.3 894.42 875.33 878.99 809.16 1274.94 558.25 1721.74 x 868.16 661.26 1778.51 709.6 851.22 24833.76 minnesota st. petersburg 2126.53 1200.59 1066.43 2294.19 601.09 1015.46 1521.65 843.31 913.03 1007.27 2372.22 183.16 2145.88 1320.63 1324.27 629.25 1017.74 1031.67 1026.19 1278.95 944.67 1796.23 889.09 2363.75 868.16 x 1113.32 2600.66 834.23 1711.38 38041 columbus toronto 2164.74 430.25 58.82 1685.71 546.57 436.18 1344.08 316.11 1204.68 206.61 1682.97 1211.28 2173.74 683.61 314.46 649.28 334.6 360.16 341.04 219.03 335.86 1891.16 224.43 2252.97 661.26 1113.32 x 2089.32 350.97 942.31 24060.78 montreal vancouver 1099.77 2503.4 2135.99 419.58 2409.97 1774.15 1106.12 2049.97 1768.68 1966.07 509.41 2781.7 1081.12 1434.52 2293.55 2030.64 2420.29 2447.6 2427.85 2201.48 2403.82 1223.54 2168.23 826.89 1778.51 2600.66 2089.32 x 2358.49 1160 52371.55 anaheim washington, dc 2291.71 394.59 292.38 1970.21 233.29 594.55 1490.71 326.92 1183.21 394.88 1986.4 901.06 2296.77 924.15 490.9 566.64 198.38 221.52 208.94 456.61 123.93 1983.6 190.4 2418.77 709.6 834.23 350.97 2358.49 x 1244.84 25346.94 ny islanders winnipeg 1532.59 1345.81 993.32 747.44 1347.53 718.15 800.43 972.61 1184.3 852.41 742.68 1871.7 1532.24 390.91 1133.72 1082.28 1276.79 1302.44 1283.35 1041.61 1269.97 1367.09 1057.27 1502.45 851.22 1711.38 942.31 1160 1244.84 x 31726.25 colorado

[The_Admiral]

JESUS CHRIST WHO ARE YOU AND WHY

[max]

Tell me how to post spreadsheets or parts of spreadsheets.

The other half of the forum, the left brain.

[max]

same idea for MLB: Real divisions (two things: if you can't beat your neighbor, you don't go to the playoffs, and no excuse for not making the playoffs because your team had to travel too much).

9 playoff teams, 9 divisions, 9 players on the field

Red Sox

Yankees

Mets

Orioles

Nationals

Phillies

Rays

Marlins

Indians

Blue Jays

Tigers

Reds

Braves

Pirates

White Sox

Cubs

Twins

Brewers

Royals

Cardinals

Rockies

Astros

Rangers

Athletics

Giants

Mariners

Angels

Dodgers

Padres

Diamondbacks

[ESTONES6]

same idea for MLB: Real divisions (two things: if you can't beat your neighbor, you don't go to the playoffs, and no excuse for not making the playoffs because your team had to travel too much).

9 playoff teams, 9 divisions, 9 players on the field

Red Sox

Yankees

Mets

Orioles

Nationals

Phillies

Rays

Marlins

Indians

Blue Jays

Tigers

Reds

Braves

Pirates

White Sox

Cubs

Twins

Brewers

Royals

Cardinals

Rockies

Astros

Rangers

Athletics

Giants

Mariners

Angels

Dodgers

Padres

Diamondbacks

This.

Doesn't make any damn sense.

[McCall]

same idea for MLB: Real divisions (two things: if you can't beat your neighbor, you don't go to the playoffs, and no excuse for not making the playoffs because your team had to travel too much).

9 playoff teams, 9 divisions, 9 players on the field

Red Sox

Yankees

Mets

Orioles

Nationals

Phillies

Rays

Marlins

Indians

Blue Jays

Tigers

Reds

Braves

Pirates

White Sox

Cubs

Twins

Brewers

Royals

Cardinals

Rockies

Astros

Rangers

Athletics

Giants

Mariners

Angels

Dodgers

Padres

Diamondbacks

Oh dear Lord.

[RoughRiders99]

Okay, I've been away from my home (Central Iowa) for a couple of years for college and when I came back home for the holidays, I just saw that the CIML (Central Iowa Metro League, highest HS sports level in Iowa) has undergone a major realignment and I think it ended up being stupid.

Before when I was growing up and attending high school, the CIML had a nice, easy 18-team, 3-divisions of 6 teams like it've always been.

Now with a new high school joining the CIML, making 19 schools, there are now two "conferences," the Metro Conference with 7 teams (the 5 Public Schools of Des Moines and two random schools), and the other conference, Central Iowa Conference, which has its own three divisions (North, West and East) with four teams per division.

Yes, I know there's 19 schools which is a little bit odd number, but that's how it is, I guess.

What I would suggest is maybe have 4 divisions, 3 with 5 teams and 1 with 4 teams (North. They have enough traveling to do anyway).

The image you see here is how the CIML currently have their divisions/conferences set-up. It just seems so wacky to me, don't you agree?

How would you set up the new CIML with 19 teams? How many divisions here and there?

*note - Yes, I realize you don't know where exactly the 'schools' are and what their names are, but if you're coming up with something, just describe the school to the best ability using the map above (i.e. "southern-most pink school" should go to Division "A" while "west red" should go to "B" and so on forth"

I guess this is how I would set it up, no conferences, 4 divisions:

Metro

5 blue dots in Des Moines

North

Same as it is (only 4 teams)

Eastern

The two "south blues"

The two "north reds" and the "east red"

Western

Same as it is now, plust the "far west red"

That's how I would set it up. How about you guys? How would you set up the CIML? Or show your high school set up? Is it pretty straight up, or is it somewhat wacky like what you currently see in the map above here.

Thought High School Realignment would make an interesting discussion....

[max]

How did you map those points on that map?

P.S. I'll do an NFL one later today and explain it better then.

[Nyk33]

With all of the talk of the Sacramento Kings possibly relocating to Virginia Beach for some reason, I was thinking of how the NBA would compensate for a Western Conference team going over to the East.

EASTERN CONFERENCE

Southeast Division

Virginia Beach

Miami

Orlando

Atlanta

Charlotte

Atlantic Division

Washington (moved from Southeast)

New York

Brooklyn

Boston

Philadelphia

Central Division

Toronto (moved from Atlantic)

Chicago

Indiana

Detroit

Cleveland

WESTERN CONFERENCE

Northwest Division

Milwaukee (moved from Eastern Conference's Central Division)

Minnesota

Portland

Denver

Utah

Pacific Division

Oklahoma City (moved from Northwest)

LA Lakers

LA Clippers

Golden State

Phoenix

Southwest Division

San Antonio

Dallas

Houston

Memphis

New Orleans

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I tried to change a few things in order to make travel easier for as many teams as possible.

- Putting Virginia Beach in the Southeast will give them four relatively close division rivals

- Putting Milwaukee in the Northwest gives the a close natural rival in Minnesota as well as give Portland and Minnesota a closer divisional rival.

- OKC in the pacific also gets them less flights to Portland and Minnesota for divisional games.

[RoughRiders99]

How did you map those points on that map?

P.S. I'll do an NFL one later today and explain it better then.

I did a screenshot from google maps and then added the points in photoshop with a little 'outer glow' with it.

[McCall]

With all of the talk of the Sacramento Kings possibly relocating to Virginia Beach for some reason, I was thinking of how the NBA would compensate for a Western Conference team going over to the East.

EASTERN CONFERENCE

Southeast Division

Virginia Beach

Miami

Orlando

Atlanta

Charlotte

Atlantic Division

Washington (moved from Southeast)

New York

Brooklyn

Boston

Philadelphia

Central Division

Toronto (moved from Atlantic)

Chicago

Indiana

Detroit

Cleveland

WESTERN CONFERENCE

Northwest Division

Milwaukee (moved from Eastern Conference's Central Division)

Minnesota

Portland

Denver

Utah

Pacific Division

Oklahoma City (moved from Northwest)

LA Lakers

LA Clippers

Golden State

Phoenix

Southwest Division

San Antonio

Dallas

Houston

Memphis

New Orleans

----------------------------------------------------------

I tried to change a few things in order to make travel easier for as many teams as possible.

- Putting Virginia Beach in the Southeast will give them four relatively close division rivals

- Putting Milwaukee in the Northwest gives the a close natural rival in Minnesota as well as give Portland and Minnesota a closer divisional rival.

- OKC in the pacific also gets them less flights to Portland and Minnesota for divisional games.

It'd make more sense to move Portland to the Pacific and keep OKC in a division with Utah, Denver, Minnesota and Milwaukee. Would be less trips to the coast for the whole division as there would be none within the division.

[Nyk33]

With all of the talk of the Sacramento Kings possibly relocating to Virginia Beach for some reason, I was thinking of how the NBA would compensate for a Western Conference team going over to the East.

EASTERN CONFERENCE

Southeast Division

Virginia Beach

Miami

Orlando

Atlanta

Charlotte

Atlantic Division

Washington (moved from Southeast)

New York

Brooklyn

Boston

Philadelphia

Central Division

Toronto (moved from Atlantic)

Chicago

Indiana

Detroit

Cleveland

WESTERN CONFERENCE

Northwest Division

Milwaukee (moved from Eastern Conference's Central Division)

Minnesota

Portland

Denver

Utah

Pacific Division

Oklahoma City (moved from Northwest)

LA Lakers

LA Clippers

Golden State

Phoenix

Southwest Division

San Antonio

Dallas

Houston

Memphis

New Orleans

----------------------------------------------------------

I tried to change a few things in order to make travel easier for as many teams as possible.

- Putting Virginia Beach in the Southeast will give them four relatively close division rivals

- Putting Milwaukee in the Northwest gives the a close natural rival in Minnesota as well as give Portland and Minnesota a closer divisional rival.

- OKC in the pacific also gets them less flights to Portland and Minnesota for divisional games.

It'd make more sense to move Portland to the Pacific and keep OKC in a division with Utah, Denver, Minnesota and Milwaukee. Would be less trips to the coast for the whole division as there would be none within the division.

You are right actually now that I thought about it more...

EASTERN CONFERENCE

Southeast Division

Virginia Beach

Miami

Orlando

Atlanta

Charlotte

Atlantic Division

Washington (moved from Southeast)

New York

Brooklyn

Boston

Philadelphia

Central Division

Toronto (moved from Atlantic)

Chicago

Indiana

Detroit

Cleveland

WESTERN CONFERENCE

Midwest Division (formerly known as the Northwest Division)

Milwaukee (moved from Eastern Conference's Central Division)

Minnesota

Oklahoma City

Denver

Utah

Pacific Division

Portland (moved from Northwest)

LA Lakers

LA Clippers

Golden State

Phoenix

Southwest Division

San Antonio

Dallas

Houston

Memphis

New Orleans

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I renamed the Northwest Division the Midwest Division because none of these teams are in the Northwest region of the country.

Also I hope this does not happen considering that trading the Kings for the Bucks would make the disparity in strength between the West and the East even stronger. Though I did try to address that a bit by sending the Bucks instead of the Bulls like people have been suggesting in other forums. Because quite honestly the Bulls in the West would basically turn the East into a minor league division pretty much.