MLB Stadium Saga: Oakland/Tampa Bay/Southside

[TBGKon]

The can definitely schedule to work the Aviators and A's out of Las Vegas Ballpark, as long as they plan in advance.  The AAA season goes from April-September and a series is Tuesday-Sunday each week.  They could alternate homestands I'm sure to make it work.

[kolob]

2 hours ago, WestCoastBias said:

 

And not only is Vegas getting the A's but everyone seems content with the Aviators remaining there as well.

 

The area is home to only 2.5 million people, they have NHL, NFL, WNBA, and now MLB. In what world do they need a Triple-A team?? The Aviators play 20 minutes (11 miles) from the property the A's just purchased, I mean c'mon it's just unnecessary.

 

Well, the Golden Knights and Silver Knights share the same market (about 11 miles apart as well). 

 

Now with that said, with all of the major leagues now at least 30 teams each the emphasis of the minor leagues isn't necessarily on serving or testing new markets for expansion, it's mostly focused on development. That's why we have the St. Paul Saints, South Bay Lakers, Tacoma Rainiers, San Jose Barracudas, etc. the closer to the parent team the more focus on player development your minor leaguers can have with the parent team coaches, etc. 

[goalieboy82]

5 hours ago, kimball said:

 

Can we place bets on that?

 

[LMU]

6 hours ago, kimball said:

 

Well, the Golden Knights and Silver Knights share the same market (about 11 miles apart as well). 

 

Now with that said, with all of the major leagues now at least 30 teams each the emphasis of the minor leagues isn't necessarily on serving or testing new markets for expansion, it's mostly focused on development. That's why we have the St. Paul Saints, South Bay Lakers, Tacoma Rainiers, San Jose Barracudas, etc. the closer to the parent team the more focus on player development your minor leaguers can have with the parent team coaches, etc. 

You also have to take into account that some minor league teams exist with no intent of drawing any sort of profit. The South Bay Lakers play at the Lakers’ training facility that only has 750 seats.  So, in the case of the Athletics it’s entirely possible that they could force the Aviators to have 8:30-9:00 AM first pitches to avoid the heat knowing full well that it’ll be a ghost town in the stands.

[Cujo]

As much as we despise BFBS, when the A's move to Vegas, I totally expect them to embrace black to fit their city's pro sports identity. The Raiders and Knights obv utilize black. They'll go heavy black. Convert yellow to 'Vegas gold'. And use 'Blackjack table felt green' as trim. Something pretty close to this:

 

[GDAWG]

23 hours ago, WestCoastBias said:

 

And not only is Vegas getting the A's but everyone seems content with the Aviators remaining there as well.

 

The area is home to only 2.5 million people, they have NHL, NFL, WNBA, and now MLB. In what world do they need a Triple-A team?? The Aviators play 20 minutes (11 miles) from the property the A's just purchased, I mean c'mon it's just unnecessary.

 

They also want NBA and MLS and will not stop until they get them all.  

[BBTV]

4 hours ago, Cujo said:

As much as we despise BFBS, when the A's move to Vegas, I totally expect them to embrace black to fit their city's pro sports identity. The Raiders and Knights obv utilize black. They'll go heavy black. Convert yellow to 'Vegas gold'. And use 'Blackjack table felt green' as trim. Something pretty close to this:

 

 

They've had 3 distinct color schemes (if we treat kelly and forest green as the same thing) so it's not like a total change to correspond with the move wouldn't be out of the question.

 

While it's logical to assume they'd use gold and silver in the scheme, that would mean that black would be the tertiary color, because I can't think of another color that works with a gold/silver combo.

 

It might be cool if they were a gold-first team.  Think gold hats, helmets, lettering, stripes, etc, with black outline and silver drop shadow.  Kinda like the Pirates when they were a "mustard" team, but brighter and golder - which I assume is doable with today's technology.

[Cujo]

19 minutes ago, BBTV said:

It might be cool if they were a gold-first team.  Think gold hats, helmets, lettering, stripes, etc, with black outline and silver drop shadow.

 

Like the Golden Knights, but replace their red trim with green. I could see it as an alt or City Connect. But how many teams use a bright colored hat as their primary? It's like a rule in MLB to not wear any flashy colors.

 

Btw we've seen this OaklandVegas transformation before..

 

[VampyrRabbit]

5 hours ago, Cujo said:

As much as we despise BFBS, when the A's move to Vegas, I totally expect them to embrace black to fit their city's pro sports identity. The Raiders and Knights obv utilize black. They'll go heavy black. Convert yellow to 'Vegas gold'. And use 'Blackjack table felt green' as trim. Something pretty close to this:

 

That would be an absolutely awful choice for a new look, but then again, moving to Vegas is an awful choice, so it tracks.

[Cujo]

2 minutes ago, VampyrRabbit said:

moving to Vegas is an awful choice, so it tracks.

 

Getting a new state of the art stadium and thriving sports city where fans will actually show up is an awful choice?

[VampyrRabbit]

9 minutes ago, Cujo said:

 

Getting a new state of the art stadium and thriving sports city where fans will actually show up is an awful choice?

It is when they are moving to a smaller market that already has 2 established Big 4 league teams, and is the home of UFC which is more or less equivalent to a big 4 team. And considering they will probably be moving to Vegas on the back of a second, perhaps even third, 100 loss season after sandbagging the f*** out of Oakland, there is no guarentee that fans in Sin City are even going to show up for a team that is as cheaply run as the A's.

 

[Cujo]

Just now, VampyrRabbit said:

It is when they are moving to a smaller market that already has 2 established Big 4 league teams, and is the home of UFC which is more or less equivalent to a big 4 team. And considering they will probably be moving to Vegas on the back of a second, perhaps even third, 100 loss season after sandbagging the f*** out of Oakland, there is no guarentee that fans in Sin City are even going to show up for a team that is as cheaply run as the A's.

 

How is any of this worse than staying Oakland?

[VampyrRabbit]

3 minutes ago, Cujo said:

 

How is any of this worse than staying Oakland?

It's not, but staying in Oakland is almost certainly out of the question now, at least with the current ownership.

[McCall]

46 minutes ago, VampyrRabbit said:

It's not, but staying in Oakland is almost certainly out of the question now, at least with the current ownership.

I fail to see the negative aspect of this statement.

[Cujo]

56 minutes ago, VampyrRabbit said:

It's not, but staying in Oakland is almost certainly out of the question now, at least with the current ownership.

 

I'm waiting for you to name one single thing where the A's staying in Oakland has an advantage to the team relocating to [insert any city in the northern hemisphere here].

[VampyrRabbit]

39 minutes ago, Cujo said:

 

I'm waiting for you to name one single thing where the A's staying in Oakland has an advantage to the team relocating to [insert any city in the northern hemisphere here].

The city has had enough of the owners s***, and the fans have been driven off by the sandbagging. But if the A's ownership had actually been willing to spend their own money on a new stadium and hadn't treated the city like crap, then staying in Oakland would have been a far better option than relocation.

The market size and one of the best public transportation systems in the US, along with a Ballpark that isn't a haven for possums and doesn't overflow with pisswater would have been good reasons to stay in Oakland.

[FiddySicks]

On 4/21/2023 at 5:02 AM, JerseyJimmy said:

 

just about any of the other options would've been better than Vegas. it's really amazing how hard I've soured on that city over the past five or six years between the standard Sunbelt "People" populace, horrific urban planning, realization that sports betting is genuine pure evil, what the Knights' fanbase has become, and the fact that Fallout: New Vegas was a more accurate prediction of what it'd be like in 50 years than 250.

 

honestly? if I could've picked anywhere for them to move? it'd be Sacramento. hell, you move there and you can basically keep the same fanbase you've already built up.

Bucfan56 Burner account right here. 

[Cujo]

4 minutes ago, VampyrRabbit said:

market size

 

one of the best public transportation systems in the US

 

A shared market with the Giants while drawing 2,000 fans per game.

 

Public transportation ranks 497th on reasons to keep a team in town.

[SailorOfSilence102]

1 hour ago, Cujo said:

 

I'm waiting for you to name one single thing where the A's staying in Oakland has an advantage to the team relocating to [insert any city in the northern hemisphere here].

Surely you can see the difference between thinking that moving to Vegas, which has a some problems, both presently, and in future in terms of question marks for long term sustainable of (likely) 4 pro teams, is bad, without thinking the team should stay in Oakland. Ideally they would've, as they've been the most successful there and had a good fanbase despite the cheapness, but ultimately it didn't work out, and they'll need to move, but that doesn't make Vegas the right choice, or if you think Vegas is a bad choice that doesn't mean you think staying is. That's just silly.

 

 

Edited April 23, 2023 by SailorOfSilence102
Sorry for the initial weird typing.

[VampyrRabbit]

11 minutes ago, Cujo said:

 

A shared market with the Giants while drawing 2,000 fans per game.

 

Public transportation ranks 497th on reasons to keep a team in town.

The Giants don't play in a dilapidated dual use Football/Baseball stadium with a tarp capped monstrosity that San Francisco is still in the hole for blocking a scenic view, nor are the owners of the Giants about to oversee a second consecutive 100 loss season.