Stadium/Arena Saga Omnibus

[McCall]

16 minutes ago, who do you think said:

 

So they would have already relocated to a place where they weren't the 6th most popular major league baseball team in their own market, but building a stadium somewhere is like really hard and stuff. Awesome. They have to continue to exist, though!

Wow. How convenient that you ignored the first part where I mentioned their stadium lease. You know, at Tropicana Field? In St. Petersburg? Where they've played for the last 25 years?

 

I hope for your sake that you are simply a troll and don't actually believe everything you say.

[who do you think]

8 minutes ago, McCall said:

Wow. How convenient that you ignored the first part where I mentioned their stadium lease. You know, at Tropicana Field? In St. Petersburg? Where they've played for the last 25 years?

 

I hope for your sake that you are simply a troll and don't actually believe everything you say.

 

Because nobody - in pro sports or otherwise - has ever weaseled their way out of a lease before. 555comeonnow

[TBGKon]

On 2/25/2023 at 2:18 AM, who do you think said:

Or talking about that 10 minute freeway drive on 275 across Tampa Bay as if there's landmines in the pavement and they would totally fill the house if they were in Tampa so people wouldn't have to make that treacherous journey.

You really must not live in the Tampa Bay area.  That "10 minute freeway drive on 275 across Tampa Bay" is more like 30-40 minumum during peak drive time in the evening.

[TBGKon]

On 2/25/2023 at 3:22 PM, VampyrRabbit said:

If the Rays manage to get an indoor stadium that is actually an attractive place to watch a game in or near Ybor City, then drawing 30,000+ is more than doable. 

 

30k would be great, but in an 81-home game season probably isn't feasible.  Averaging 20-25k would probably seem more likely.

[who do you think]

1 hour ago, TBGKon said:

You really must not live in the Tampa Bay area.  That "10 minute freeway drive on 275 across Tampa Bay" is more like 30-40 minumum during peak drive time in the evening.

 

Yes I do live here, and no it does not take 30 minutes to get across the damn bridge, unless all the tires flew off somebody's car for no reason and shut down a lane.

 

Once you get into Pinellas? Yeah, it gums up. Guess what, large metropolitan areas have traffic, and it tends to collect on freeways. Life's a :censored:. People can and do get to weeknight Boston sports games, with regularity, in droves, coming from bum:censored: New Hampshire and pillshacks in Worcester, in worse driving conditions. So I don't want to hear it. Rays fans and Coyotes fans are the only ones crying like pregnant teenagers at the prospect of a 40 minute drive and how unfair it is and how you're not allowed to judge them for not wanting to do it. At some point, you just can't be bothered to go to the games and are an apathetic fan base. Sorry.

 

Also someone please tell me why putting the stadium in Tampa, and flip-flopping the traffic pattern and putting everyone in Pinellas County on the wrong side of that treacherous 40 minute drive across that really scary, crowded bridge that's apparently made of lava and used dildos, is the solution to the Rays' attendance problems. Oh wait, you can't.

[TBGKon]

2 minutes ago, who do you think said:

Also someone please tell me why putting the stadium in Tampa and putting everyone in Pinellas County on the wrong side of that treacherous 40 minute drive, across that really scary, crowded bridge that's apparently made of lava and used dildos, is the solution to the Rays' attendance problems. Oh wait, you can't.

Going by what you're saying, I think you might live in Pinellas and have a little bias.  Let me show some examples for the masses.  Both of these maps come from here https://www.draysbay.com/2011/6/24/2242433/draysbays-stadium-proposal-part-1.

 

This is an article from 2011, but the information is still valid today in my option.  The first map below is the current Tropicana Field location.  Red circle is 5 mile radius, and the blue circle is a 10 mile radius.  2/3, if not 3/4 of the circle is water.

 

Look how much of that area is water?  Guess what, pretty sure fish, turtles, and dolphins don't go to baseball games.

 

Below is a map of the same distanced circles, but centered at downtown Tampa.  Yes, about 1/4 of the area is water, the rest is swelling with populated areas.

 

 

10 miles in this area is 30-35 minutes driving, which moving to a center around Tampa would increase the potential population that could make a decision to go to a home game.

[who do you think]

6 minutes ago, TBGKon said:

Going by what you're saying, I think you might live in Pinellas and have a little bias.  Let me show some examples for the masses.  Both of these maps come from here https://www.draysbay.com/2011/6/24/2242433/draysbays-stadium-proposal-part-1.

 

This is an article from 2011, but the information is still valid today in my option.  The first map below is the current Tropicana Field location.  Red circle is 5 mile radius, and the blue circle is a 10 mile radius.  2/3, if not 3/4 of the circle is water. [snip]

 

A: As a wise man once said, "one problem: nobody cares" (about the Rays, that is)

 

B: Oracle Park is playing the world's largest violin.

[McCall]

1 minute ago, who do you think said:

 

A: As a wise man once said, "one problem: nobody cares" (about the Rays, that is)

 

B: Oracle Park is playing the world's largest violin.

Thanks for confirming our hypothesis that you are nothing more than a troll.

[TBGKon]

1 minute ago, who do you think said:

 

A: As a wise man once said, "one problem: nobody cares" (about the Rays, that is)

If nobody cares, then why do you care?  You started this whole thing...

[who do you think]

1 minute ago, McCall said:

Thanks for confirming our hypothesis that you are nothing more than a troll.

 

You're not mad at me, you're mad that you live in Missouri. And I forgive you.

 

Just now, TBGKon said:

If nobody cares, then why do you care?  You started this whole thing...

 

What?

[McCall]

4 minutes ago, who do you think said:

 

A: As a wise man once said, "one problem: nobody cares" (about the Rays, that is)

 

B: Oracle Park is playing the world's largest violin.

A. You referring to yourself as a "wise man" to somehow validate your own personal opinion is narcissism at it's highest level.

B. Are you seriously comparing St. Petersburg to San Francisco as if one's stadium location/population demographic is the same? 

[who do you think]

Just now, McCall said:

B. Are you seriously comparing St. Petersburg to San Francisco as if one's stadium location/population demographic is the same? 

 

Oracle Park is stuck on an allegedly hard-to-access peninsula. The immediate population of San Francisco and Pinellas County is about the same. Why is one selling out the park for eternity while I can have an entire section to myself at the other?

[McCall]

1 minute ago, who do you think said:

 

You're not mad at me, you're mad that you live in Missouri. And I forgive you.

 

I'm proud to have lived in Missouri my whole life. And clearly, you probably could stand to live here for awhile since my sense of logic and reason are clearly at a higher level than yours.

[FiddySicks]

21 minutes ago, who do you think said:

 

Oracle Park is stuck on an allegedly hard-to-access peninsula. The immediate population of San Francisco and Pinellas County is about the same. Why is one selling out the park for eternity while I can have an entire section to myself at the other?

Public transportation. One area has some of the best in the world, the other (I think) hardly has any. 

[tp49]

37 minutes ago, who do you think said:

 

Oracle Park is stuck on an allegedly hard-to-access peninsula. The immediate population of San Francisco and Pinellas County is about the same. Why is one selling out the park for eternity while I can have an entire section to myself at the other?

When you find the Tampa/St. Pete equivalent to BART get back to us...

[BBTV]

1 hour ago, who do you think said:

crying like pregnant teenagers

 

 

1 hour ago, who do you think said:

bridge that's apparently made of lava and used dildos,

 

I need a mockup of this.  

[BBTV]

53 minutes ago, McCall said:

you are nothing more than a troll.

 

I think you meant to say "a poster to watch".

[Red Comet]

1 hour ago, who do you think said:

 

You're not mad at me, you're mad that you live in Missouri. And I forgive you.

Not McCall but I am a Missourian. I’m proud to be where I’m from and you can take your condescending compassion and shove it where the sun doesn’t shine.

[VampyrRabbit]

3 hours ago, who do you think said:

 

Oracle Park is stuck on an allegedly hard-to-access peninsula. The immediate population of San Francisco and Pinellas County is about the same. Why is one selling out the park for eternity while I can have an entire section to myself at the other?

As stated above, one of the reasons is public transportation, which for SF is in a different league to Pinellas County (and the rest of the Tampa Bay area). Getting to the Trop using public transportation is a million times harder than it is getting to Oracle Park using Public transportation.

As for stadium aesthetics, I know this is somewhat subjective, but I think the overwhelming consensus is that Oracle Park is a far nicer place to visit than Tropicana Field. Oracle park also isn't hated by locals for eating up taxpayers money and displacing hundreds of families and businesses. The building of the Trop caused huge resentment in St Pete and thats another reason for low attendance.

Another factor that contributes to the low attendance for the Rays is that unlike San Francisco, which is one of the richest cities in it's area, St Pete isn't. The average income in St Pete is less than Tampas, and that is another reason for the low attendance.

In the early 90s, after The White Sox stayed Southside, the Giants were one of the teams St Pete tried to lure to the Trop (or the Suncoast Dome as it was called back then). If that had come to pass, they would be drawing just as badly in the Trop as the Rays do now.

 

[McCall]

1 hour ago, BBTV said:

 

I think you meant to say "a poster to watch".

I KNEW there was a term for that and I couldn't think of it. I blame it on hitting my head too often.