GDAWG Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 As a fan of the newly minted World Series Champions, I am glad the Rangers bowed out of signing Shohei early. Instead they will be looking to upgrade the Bullpen, a weak spot for most of the season, although a strength in the World Series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 2 hours ago, SFGiants58 said: With this crop of owners? A salary floor will probably never happen, even though it's far more important an issue than growing player salaries. Salary floors are good in principle, but they'll likely just result in lousy guys getting money tacked on to 1-year deals just to meet that minimum without any commitment. I don't see it helping. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDAWG Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 Saw a graphic on CBS Sports HQ (whenever they don't spend 45 minutes talking about betting lines and odds) and Shohei is going to make $350 million more than Patrick Mahomes, who plays in a sport with a hard cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 (edited) ... Edited December 10, 2023 by BBTV "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueYankee26 Posted December 10, 2023 Author Share Posted December 10, 2023 (edited) 15 hours ago, Cujo said: Arte wasting no time More effort taking that poster down than building a World Series team around he and Trout the last decade. Other than the Yankees, the Angels have to be the most disappointing team since the start of last decade Hell, at least the Yankees made the ALCS a few times! And are attempting to build a World Series team and look to have an offseason they had during the winter of 2009. They just can not get past the Astros. Edited December 10, 2023 by TrueYankee26 trueyankee26.wordpress.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shumway Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 On 12/9/2023 at 4:30 PM, LMU said: If we learned anything from the Zack Greinke signing, it's that the Dodgers signing a free agent away from the Angels will make Arte go panic mode and ridiculously overpay for a bust. Who's the 2024 equivalent of washed up Vernon Wells? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMU Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Shumway said: Who's the 2024 equivalent of washed up Vernon Wells? He's going to give $300 million to Jorge Soler, isn't he? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 11 hours ago, Shumway said: Who's the 2024 equivalent of washed up Vernon Wells? The Angels aren't competitive, so it's not like they just need to fill a hole or two, but since they have an open DH slot, maybe they can give Reese Hoskins a nice one or two year 'prove it' deal since he's back from ACL and the Phillies are reluctantly moving on. LA would give him a soft landing and he doesn't have much leverage to choose his next city right now. and is a very low-risk / high-reward guy. EDIT: and is friends with Trout through the Harper connection. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruttep Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 This is legal how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 That’s :censored:ing bull:censored:. Baseball is broken. 1 On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruttep Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 The most infuriating part is all the baseball reporters on Twitter claiming that this is "good for the game" that the Dodgers pay billions of dollars for a superteam. It ruins the integrity of the sport. As my soccer fan friend said, I didn't know the Saudis got into baseball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 18 minutes ago, ruttep said: The most infuriating part is all the baseball reporters on Twitter claiming that this is "good for the game" that the Dodgers pay billions of dollars for a superteam. It ruins the integrity of the sport. As my soccer fan friend said, I didn't know the Saudis got into baseball. Nothing that’s happened in the Manfred era has been “good for the game”. Good for big business, but awful for the fans. Oh, also, Dodgers fans can :censored: off forever about the Astros. This is even worse. On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrySmalls Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 1 hour ago, ruttep said: This is legal how? What the!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 I thought they used AAV for luxury tax purposes, no? This seems like some NFL-style manipulation, and I don't see the problem, because anyone can do it as long as the player doesn't need the up-front cash. Had Toronto been serious players - and I'm not sure there's any evidence that they were - they could have done the same. I assume (I don't know) that the deferred money is paid with interest, so Ohtani will probably even make more in the long run, albeit not like a Bonilla situation. So as long as it's a good rate, good for him. It's absurd money, and I hate that my (tax-paying) team now has slimmer odds, but the Pirates of the world can rejoice because their EBT cards will get loaded with a few extra dollars (that they won't spend) thanks to this. That's who to be mad at. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 Just read this on ESPN.com which explains it pretty well, with one BIG exception*. It is kinda like a Bonilla deal, assuming the money earns interest in escrow. But the wacky part is how MLB discounts (they till count, just not 1:1) the deferrals for tax purposes - I can't imagine why that would be. Maybe someone could help explain why they'd encourage deferrals. Regardless, anyone can do it, so I'm not sure what the problem is. * this line: "teams have to set aside the present-day value of the deferred money -- in Ohtani's case, around $44 million in cash each year -- into an escrow account" doesn't make sense... UNLESS his deal is NOT for $700M in today's money, but actually much less, and the $700M is what he'll get total by 2044. Adjusting for present value, that's actually way less than it seems. If that's the case, which I'm not sure of, but would explain the $44M in escrow part. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruttep Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 This still seems horrible for the sport that these teams can just give out massive contracts and then just not pay it for a decade to keep the payroll down. It really smells of money laundering, and with this amount of money being involved, I don't think there rational arguments otherwise. Just because it can happen doesn't mean it should happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, ruttep said: This still seems horrible for the sport that these teams can just give out massive contracts and then just not pay it for a decade to keep the payroll down. It really smells of money laundering, and with this amount of money being involved, I don't think there rational arguments otherwise. Just because it can happen doesn't mean it should happen. I'm not sure you know what money laundering is. Also, they're keeping payroll down for tax purposes. They're still paying the cash every year, it's just that his share goes into escrow. It only helps them sign players because of the tax break (though we don't know how much that actually is) not because they have all that extra money to give to other players. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 The Devils tried to do this to a lesser extent with Ilya Kovalchuk and it was still so egregious that the NHL said "nope, screw you, that's too obvious even for us." Congratulations on being less responsible than the NHL. 4 ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 It’s like basically everything else in our society. It’s not technically illegal, but it absolutely contributes to a further splitting of the haves and have nots and makes the entire situation worse for everyone else. The Dodgers started spending stupidly about 12 years ago, and it seems like every year it just gets more and more egregious. Like, nice little loophole you have there to go along with an ocean of available cash, but it comes at a time when like half of the league is seemingly spending as little as possible and hoarding all of the profits for their own pockets. Baseball really seems keen to speed up the drain spiraling they’re doing by making the on field product as uncompelling as possible. I also say that as a fan of a team who does that (despite promising everyone else they won’t), while having the richest owner in the sport. God, it’s infuriating. 1 1 On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, FiddySicks said: but it comes at a time when like half of the league is seemingly spending as little as possible and hoarding all of the profits for their own pockets. I'm not sure how this is relevant. Should they not spend just because half the other owners are greedy or crying poor? That's collusion. In real life, I agree with the arguments about splitting have from have-not. But sports isn't real life. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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