Another Nats' W Idea

[STL FANATIC]

Similar to my Rockets logo concept, where Starchild's thread motivated me to try an idea I had for a while, BallWonk's Nats' W thread motivated me to try something I've been wanted to try a while.

Once again, the reason I'm starting my own thread is to get seperate comments and not take away from BallWonk's.

I'll admit my beveling could use some work. I did this quickly, and the curvature did not make this an easy style of beveling. You should be able to get the idea though.

I think this would solve the problem of the W not fitting the rest of the scheme. It has strong ties to the rest of the uniform and keeps the tradition of the script W.

Comments?

[FiddySicks]

Wow, that makes so much sense

[omnivore]

I like what you've done with it, especially with the gold trim in the DC logo on the BP jerseys.

But I have to say that I really hate that W. It looks so out of place. I swear that MLB simply used that because they didn't want to have to wait a long time to get merchandise put together in a short period of time and they have obviously had a lot of those because they're sold online even before the team came back or whatever.

But I pray whoever buys the team changes the name and gets rid of the W.

[FiddySicks]

But I pray whoever buys the team changes the name and gets rid of the W.

W change, maybee. Name change, No.

[omnivore]

But I pray whoever buys the team changes the name and gets rid of the W.

W change, maybee. Name change, No.

Name change...yes!

Nationals go buh-bye.

[Brian in Boston]

Name change...yes!

Nationals go buh-bye.

Dream on. Not going to happen anytime soon... if ever.

[omnivore]

Name change...yes!

Nationals go buh-bye.

Dream on. Not going to happen anytime soon... if ever.

lol..

The new owner will get the option. If nothing else, those uniforms will change and the DC will be more prominent. Of course, didn't exist at all in the old days. So that's a progressive change and a smart marketing move.

[teenchy]

Wow, that makes so much sense

Agreed 100%. That looks great and brings it more in line with the jersey lettering. Nice job.

I know I'm in the extreme minority here in that I like the "pretzel W" much better than I do the "DC". Red Sox caps don't have "M"s for Massachusetts on them. Then again I'm probably one of the few here who is old enough to remember seeing the expansion Senators play. (Not the original AL Nats/Senators - I'm not quite that old.) In fact I find myself slipping up and calling the new Nats the Senators from time to time.

I'm sure it's been noted here but, at least until recently, you could scroll over certain parts of the Nats' website and the term "Senators" would pop up, again emphasizing the last-minute compromise that "Nationals" was. In any event I have no problem with either nickname - I'm just happy MLB is back in Washington.

Marketing aside I think the team's livery should maintain some sort of connection to the two Washington AL franchises, however dismal their histories were. There were a lot of very good if not great players who toiled in obscurity and whose reputations would be better known had either franchise stayed in Washington. You can see some of their names on the Hall of Stars banner in RFK (which used to be plaques hanging around the stadium bowl - a shame what they've done to them). If the "pretzel W" is all there is that maintains that, then so be it. If that leaves, then one or both of the sleeve patches should go as well. Replace them with some adaptation of the logos used by the AL franchises - if not the one in my avatar, then the expansion era "pitcher in front of the Capitol" or the early '50s Capitol dome/cap/ball/bat that was actually used in conjunction with the Nationals name.

[IceCap]

But I pray whoever buys the team changes the name and gets rid of the W.

W change, maybee. Name change, No.

Name change...yes!

Nationals go buh-bye.

yeah right. what are they going to change it to? senators? come on. the district of columbia dosnt even have its own senators. nationals is a perfect name, but the "W" has to go. fanatic, ur concept corrected some of the problems with the "W" but it still seems out of place, being a different font then everything else.

[VanZeppelin1984]

Wow that makes a big difference in a great way

[BallWonk]

I really don't want to like this concept, but I do. The only thing I'd change, other than improving the bevelling and making it a pure shadow from a 45-degree top right light source, like the bevels on the jersey lettering, is making the W thicker. It's a pretty thin worm of a letter, and right now it just doesn't have room for bevels. You'd need to increase the thickness of the W by at least a third to make this work.

But if you do that, and then put gold buttons on the caps, this would be a terrific change. Heck, do this for the home cap, then put the DC logo on the road cap (to go with the "Washington" lettering), and the uniform sets would be much closer to perfect.

[Gothamite]

I think you've done a beautiful job, but the hard beveling doesn't make sense on such a curvy script letter.

[JQK]

I love the W

I love this W you've done

Everyone, leave the W alone.

[SteveR]

It's hard to explain but here in DC, that's OUR W and we like it just the way it is. It 100% doesn't matter that it doesn't match the lettering on the jerseys or the DC logo.

Cap/script matching doesn't seem to matter for the Cardinals, Dodgers, Padres or home Twins -- so why here?

[Krona]

Cap/script matching doesn't seem to matter for the Cardinals, Dodgers, Padres or home Twins -- so why here?

great point SteveR. my thoughts exactly. enough said. any further arguments about this topic can be directed to this qoute

[winghaz]

SteveR, that is the whole point. If that's Washington's W and the fans there love it, then leave it alone, no matter what armchair design experts say.

[STL FANATIC]

It's hard to explain but here in DC, that's OUR W and we like it just the way it is. It 100% doesn't matter that it doesn't match the lettering on the jerseys or the DC logo.

Cap/script matching doesn't seem to matter for the Cardinals, Dodgers, Padres or home Twins -- so why here?

I've never minded the W too much, I just always thought that might add to it a bit.

I'm curious since you never really said, do you, as a Nats fan like this modified W? Like it but still prefer the one as is?

[slapshot]

I like the idea of adding the bevel effect to match the wordmark, but the strokes on the capmark aren't heavy enough to be styled that way. I think the W needs thicker strokes for the bevels to work.

[pcgd]

To me the reason it looks off is because you have a "modern" wordmark with a classic scripty hat logo. The STL/Cardinals script, LA/Dodgers script, M, TC/Twins scripts are all "classic" fonts. STL isn't a particular font, but its not modern and tat's paired with a classic script. LA is a simple serifed font paired with a simple classic script, the M matches the Twins script while the TC is classic with a classic. They match better IMO.

Plus the treatment of all those are similar. With washington you have bevels vs. no bevels.

As for San Diego, the SD is an extended version of the San Diego that's on the aways. The Padres script vs. SD is a mis-match to me, but at the same time the script is somewhat modernized to match the SD.

I don't hate the W, but I wish it matched closer with the Identity from a design stand point. But all that matters is that the fans like it, cause that's why logos are made, for the fans to wear and purchase.

[Frylock]

That is truly awesome. Much like teenchy, I love the old "W" logo, and I too have called the Nationals the "Senators" more than once. And no, I wasn't alive when either incarnation of the Senators were around.

This is an incredible improvement on the "W" logo. It keeps enough of the original concept intact so that sports/logo history fans like myself can enjoy it, AND it can find a way to fit in with the current scheme.

Props to ya, STL.