VitaminD Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 Charlotte (But their Minor League ballpark, which is expandable like Buffalo's I think, is in SOUTH CAROLINA!) Yeah, the stadium's in South Carolina. Does that matter? Charlotte sits squarely on the border between NC and SC, and their teams draw fans from both states. Just like Philadelphia sits on the border of PA and NJ, and a huge chunk of the Philadelphia fan base resides east of the Delaware River, all the way to the Shore. The Kansas City teams draw from Kansas and Missouri; the St. Louis teams draw from Illinois and even Kentucky, and so on. New York's metro area includes 3 states - NY, NJ and Connecticut. I fail to grasp how the Charlotte team's stadium location precludes the city from being a viable MLB site. It doesn't if you can do without Charlotte's extensive corporate and banking communities. Are you saying that Charlotte's business community wouldn't make the trip across the border and support the team? From what I've seen of teams in similar state border situations, support comes from both sides of the river. I know South Jersey heavily supports the Philadelphia teams, on the level of the individual fan and also the level of corporate support, and Delaware makes a contribution despite being a little farther down the highway. The banks would gobble up enough of the club boxes to make a club viable. "Start spreading the news... They're leavin' today... Won't get to be a part of it... In old New York..."In order for the Mets' run of 12 losses in 17 games to mean something, the Phillies still had to win 13 of 17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 3. New Orleans- They deserve a MLB team. No MLB team deserves New Orleans.As for having to move the Brewers back to the AL Central, obviously the two teams would go to the AL, since the whole reasoning behind putting the Brewers in the NL was to make Milwaukee a National League town again like it was for the Braves, and to sell more tickets by bringing the Cubs and Cardinals into town. Selig put his Brewers where they are for a reason; he's not going to just put them back. But I've said too much; you're obviously not thinking straight if you think New Orleans can support the major leagues. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickV Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 3. New Orleans- They deserve a MLB team. I'd be interested in hearing your argument as to WHY New Orleans "deserves" an MLB team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winghaz Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 Some things to consider about a new market if the Marlins were to move:1. How close is it to other cities with major league clubs? You don't want it too close. Look at the headache MLB had with the Orioles of the relocation of the Expos to Washington. Plus, you want a team to go into an area that's hungry for MLB (look at what happened when baseball moved into Denver). Ideal candidate cities in this category: Charlotte and Buffalo.2. You want to move to a city that has a strong baseball tradition, preferably more interest in baseball than other sports. Ideal candidate cities in this category: Louisville and, to a certain extent, Memphis.3. You want to move to a city that has the population base to cover long-term interest. Ideal cities in this category: San Antonio and the northern New Jersey cities.4. You want to move to a city that's economically strong. Ideal cities in this category: Portland and San Antonio.5. You want to move to a city that already has a stadium that will temporarily hold a major league team until a new stadium is built. Ideal cities in this category: Buffalo, maybe San Antonio.6. You want to move to a city that definitely will build a new stadiu. Ideal city in this category: Portland.Now, you play Marlins owner. Looking at all of these, where would you want to move?Me? Maybe Portland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiasco! Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 4. You want to move to a city that's economically strong. Ideal cities in this category: Portland and San Antonio.you can add Charlotte to that category too."More banking resources ($1.8 trillion) are headquartered in Charlotte than in all but one other U.S. city. Five of the nation?s top 150 banks operate in Charlotte; The nation?s largest two banks based on deposits, Bank of America and Wachovia, are both headquartered in Charlotte. Their combined deposits total more than one half trillion dollars."Top Cities (with 7 or more Fortune 500 HQ) Rank City HQ 1 New York City 432 Houston 203 Atlanta 144 Chicago 10 5 Charlotte 85 Dallas 87 St. Louis 7 7 Cincinnati 77 Milwaukee 710 Minneapolis 610 Philadelphia 610 Pittsburgh 6and only one of them doesn't have an MLB franchise, hmmmmm. LinkedIn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pagan696 Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 from a lifelong Charlotte native's view:It would be nice, but i don't think my city is quite large enough to support MLB for everyday attendance.as for the other tidbits i gathered and can answer..."queen city" in charlotte is for Queen Charlotte (of Mecklenburg-Strelitz), the German-born wife of British King George III (i assume you know him). our county Mecklenburg is also named for her hometown.as for dgnmrwrw's comments on the Panthers, owner Jerry Richardson has said he'da been happy with a smaller stadium (in the low 60s k), but for a 72k it's a nice place to play. all cities have "fairweather fans", i've seen the hardcores in GB, CHI, and NY take off when the hometeam is sucking wind.to madmac, i kinda agree, the triangle would be a better fit for baseball fans. but being a homer, i'd rather it be here than there (*wags tounge to the R-A-L) to gameboy, the Knights "Castle" in Rock Hill could be renovated to MLB standards, but they want outta there too, so a new place in downtown would have to be done to get MLBs attention. Rock Hill just ain't gonna get it done. theres not much commercial development like a major ballpark would draw for nearby. Carolina Dreamin' ΓΔΒ ΓΔΒ ΓΔΒ When a robotic Nixon is on the loose, we have a duty to take action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winghaz Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 you can add Charlotte to that category too."More banking resources ($1.8 trillion) are headquartered in Charlotte than in all but one other U.S. city. Five of the nation?s top 150 banks operate in Charlotte; The nation?s largest two banks based on deposits, Bank of America and Wachovia, are both headquartered in Charlotte. Their combined deposits total more than one half trillion dollars."I didn't realize that about Charlotte. Definitely add Charlotte to that category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHoJoe Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 3. New Orleans- They deserve a MLB team. No MLB team deserves New Orleans.As for having to move the Brewers back to the AL Central, obviously the two teams would go to the AL, since the whole reasoning behind putting the Brewers in the NL was to make Milwaukee a National League town again like it was for the Braves, and to sell more tickets by bringing the Cubs and Cardinals into town. Selig put his Brewers where they are for a reason; he's not going to just put them back. But I've said too much; you're obviously not thinking straight if you think New Orleans can support the major leagues. Gee, Let's see.... Radical Realignment...one of Bud Selig's Half baked Ideas.. Did it work?....NOT FOR THE BREWERS!!!!!!! BRING BASEBALL BACK TO MONTREAL!!!! MON AMOURS SIEMPRE!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceHawk447 Posted May 6, 2006 Share Posted May 6, 2006 Montreal should get its Expos back a la the Cleveland Browns. I was at first thinking New Orleans for another team, but it's a tossup between that and either Carolina market. As for resulting leagues: NL East: Montreal, N.Y. Mets, Philadelphia, Washington. NL North: Chicago Cubs, Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, St. Louis. NL South: Atlanta, Cincinnati, Houston, Miami. NL West: Arizona, L.A. Dodgers, San Diego, San Francisco. AL East: Baltimore, Boston, N.Y. Yankees, Toronto. AL North: Chicago White Sox, Cleveland, Detroit, Minnesota.AL South: Kansas City, Tampa Bay, Texas, [CHA/Triangle/NO].AL West: Colorado, L.A. Angels, Oakland, Seattle. [447] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted May 6, 2006 Share Posted May 6, 2006 3. New Orleans- They deserve a MLB team. No MLB team deserves New Orleans.As for having to move the Brewers back to the AL Central, obviously the two teams would go to the AL, since the whole reasoning behind putting the Brewers in the NL was to make Milwaukee a National League town again like it was for the Braves, and to sell more tickets by bringing the Cubs and Cardinals into town. Selig put his Brewers where they are for a reason; he's not going to just put them back. But I've said too much; you're obviously not thinking straight if you think New Orleans can support the major leagues. Gee, Let's see.... Radical Realignment...one of Bud Selig's Half baked Ideas.. Did it work?....NOT FOR THE BREWERS!!!!!!! Selig is an ass, but his ideas aren't always half-baked. And that realignment wasn't as "radical" as what Fay Vincent proposed, in which the Cubs and Cardinals would move to the NL West as the Reds and Braves moved to the East. The Cubs put the kibosh on that because it would've meant a substantial number of road games in California, which would mean a substantial number of 9.05 Central starts on WGN. And though it is fun now and then to stay up all night watching the game, you don't want that to be TOO common. At any rate, the Brewers are now reaping the rewards of all those Chicago and St. Louis day-trippers by putting that money into a formidable team. Ask around, and most people in Milwaukee would tell you it worked.Four divisions is bad news. Nobody ever gets it. The Wild Card is a resounding success, folks. It's not going anywhere. Count on it. It's a part of the game now. So like I've said a hundred times,AL West: same + PortlandAL Central: same + TorontoAL East: same - Toronto + CharlotteNL: sameNow what we could try to do is go back to two divisions of eight each.AL West: Seattle, Portland, Los Angeles, Oakland, Texas, Kansas City, Minnesota, ChicagoAL East: Detroit, Toronto, Cleveland, New York, Boston, Baltimore, Charlotte, Tampa BayBut you get to the NL and it's a mess, and you realize why the Braves and Reds were in the West.NL West: Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Diego, Colorado, Arizona, Houston, Milwaukee, CincinnatiNL East: Atlanta, Philadelphia, Washington, Florida, New York, Chicago, St. Louis, PittsburghNow the Astros are away from the Cubs and Cardinals. The C&C are away from the Brewers, which defeats the purpose of Milwaukee in the NL. Cincinnati is stuck in the West again, which gives them too much traveling to do, but you can't put the Cardinals in there, arbitrary Mississippi River be damned, because that shoots everything to hell for them too. It's really a mess, and it's best not attempted. Four divisions is equally bad. You always get one division that's just made of spare parts, and in this case, it's your NL South. You can't pull Atlanta from the division that it's synonymous with. Cincinnati doesn't belong with those other three. It's a total grab bag. Me, I'd rather see a neck-and-neck Wild Card race as the fourth race than a battle between Tampa Bay, Texas, Kansas City, and an expansion team. Let's be honest with ourselves here. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eye Posted May 7, 2006 Share Posted May 7, 2006 Montreal should get its Expos back a la the Cleveland Browns. I was at first thinking New Orleans for another team, but it's a tossup between that and either Carolina market. As for resulting leagues: NL East: Montreal, N.Y. Mets, Philadelphia, Washington. NL North: Chicago Cubs, Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, St. Louis. NL South: Atlanta, Cincinnati, Florida, Houston. NL West: Arizona, L.A. Dodgers, San Diego, San Francisco. AL East: Baltimore, Boston, N.Y. Yankees, Toronto. AL North: Cleveland, Chicago White Sox, Detroit, Minnesota.AL South: Kansas City, Tampa Bay, Texas, [CHA/Triangle/NO].AL West: Colorado, L.A. Angels, Oakland, Seattle. [447] I agree that the Expos never should have left Montreal. If Selig knew what he was doing then they'd still be there. Four divisions wouldn't work and Cincinnati is further north than St. Louis so if MLB was to go to four divisions like this St. Louis would be in the NL South and Cincinnati would be in the NL North. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted May 7, 2006 Share Posted May 7, 2006 Montreal should get its Expos back a la the Cleveland Browns. I was at first thinking New Orleans for another team, but it's a tossup between that and either Carolina market. As for resulting leagues: NL East: Montreal, N.Y. Mets, Philadelphia, Washington. NL North: Chicago Cubs, Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, St. Louis. NL South: Atlanta, Cincinnati, Florida, Houston. NL West: Arizona, L.A. Dodgers, San Diego, San Francisco. AL East: Baltimore, Boston, N.Y. Yankees, Toronto. AL North: Cleveland, Chicago White Sox, Detroit, Minnesota.AL South: Kansas City, Tampa Bay, Texas, [CHA/Triangle/NO].AL West: Colorado, L.A. Angels, Oakland, Seattle. [447] I agree that the Expos never should have left Montreal. If Selig knew what he was doing then they'd still be there. Four divisions wouldn't work and Cincinnati is further north than St. Louis so if MLB was to go to four divisions like this St. Louis would be in the NL South and Cincinnati would be in the NL North. Well, that would kind of split up the Cardinals and the Cubs....BRILLIANT!!! On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted May 7, 2006 Share Posted May 7, 2006 And that's why we just leave it at three divisions and a wild card. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VitaminD Posted May 7, 2006 Share Posted May 7, 2006 Montreal should get its Expos back a la the Cleveland Browns. I was at first thinking New Orleans for another team, but it's a tossup between that and either Carolina market. As for resulting leagues: NL East: Montreal, N.Y. Mets, Philadelphia, Washington. NL North: Chicago Cubs, Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, St. Louis. NL South: Atlanta, Cincinnati, Florida, Houston. NL West: Arizona, L.A. Dodgers, San Diego, San Francisco. AL East: Baltimore, Boston, N.Y. Yankees, Toronto. AL North: Cleveland, Chicago White Sox, Detroit, Minnesota.AL South: Kansas City, Tampa Bay, Texas, [CHA/Triangle/NO].AL West: Colorado, L.A. Angels, Oakland, Seattle. [447] I agree that the Expos never should have left Montreal. If Selig knew what he was doing then they'd still be there. Four divisions wouldn't work and Cincinnati is further north than St. Louis so if MLB was to go to four divisions like this St. Louis would be in the NL South and Cincinnati would be in the NL North. Splitting up the Cardinals and Cubs would NEVER happen. It's part of the reason they were both put into the NL East when they first made divisions in 1969, even though both cities are west of Atlanta and Cincinnati. It's one of the 3 best rivalries in MLB, with Yankees/Red Sox and Giants/Dodgers. By this logic, the Cowboys shouldn't be in the NFC East - but they NEED to play the Eagles, Giants and Redskins twice a year. It's good for business.Also, geography aside, Cincinnati may be in a midwestern state, but they're just across the river from Kentucky and not far from West Virginia, which aren't that midwestern. The proposed NL North covers the Great Lakes and Rust Belt portions of the midwest well, and adds St. Louis for tradition. "Start spreading the news... They're leavin' today... Won't get to be a part of it... In old New York..."In order for the Mets' run of 12 losses in 17 games to mean something, the Phillies still had to win 13 of 17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHoJoe Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 NL East: Mets, Expos, Phillies, GNATSNL Central: Braves, Marlins, Reds, PiratesNL Midwest: Cards, Cubs, Rockies, AstrosNL West: Dodgers, Giants, Padres, D-BacksAL East: Yankees, Red Sox, Blue Jays, OriolesAL Central: Charlotte Thunder, Devil Rays, Tigers, IndiansAL Midwest: White Sox, Brewers, Twins, RoyalsAL West: Angels, A's, Rangers, MarinersAll teams are geograpically allgined properly with minimal disparity. BRING BASEBALL BACK TO MONTREAL!!!! MON AMOURS SIEMPRE!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred T. Jane Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 NL East: Mets, Expos, Phillies, GNATSNL Central: Braves, Marlins, Reds, PiratesNL Midwest: Cards, Cubs, Rockies, AstrosNL West: Dodgers, Giants, Padres, D-BacksAL East: Yankees, Red Sox, Blue Jays, OriolesAL Central: Charlotte Thunder, Devil Rays, Tigers, IndiansAL Midwest: White Sox, Brewers, Twins, RoyalsAL West: Angels, A's, Rangers, MarinersAll teams are geograpically allgined properly with minimal disparity. Geograpically aligned? Dude, I'm teaching World Geography next school year, and I've got a seat waiting for you.Whilst the NL East and West is alright, the Central and Midwest are rather screwed up. (1) Why would you separate the oldest team in baseball with their 3 biggest rivals?(2) Why would you put the Rockies in a division the Cardinals and Cubs?Here's your geographical alignment, NL in Blue, and AL in Red (With your expansion teams):With your expansion teams, here would be a more sensible alignment:NL East: New York, Montreal, Philadelphia, WashingtonNL South: Atlanta, Charlotte, Florida, Houston,NL Central: Chicago, St. Louis, Pittsburgh, CincinattiNL West: Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Diego, ArizonaAL East: New York, Boston, Baltimore, TorontoAL North: Cleveland, Chicago, Milwaukee, DetroitAL Central: Kansas City, Texas, Tampa Bay, MinnesotaAL West: Seattle, Colorado, Oakland, Los AngelesIn reality, the best alignment is what they have... except perhaps moving the Rockies to the AL West, and moving Houston to the NL West, though I'm not a fan of that either. [Croatia National Team Manager Slavan] Bilic then went on to explain how Croatia's success can partially be put down to his progressive man-management techniques. "Sometimes I lie in the bed with my players. I go to the room of Vedran Corluka and Luka Modric when I see they have a problem and I lie in bed with them and we talk for 10 minutes." Maybe Capello could try getting through to his players this way too? Although how far he'd get with Joe Cole jumping up and down on the mattress and Rooney demanding to be read his favourite page from The Very Hungry Caterpillar is open to question. --The Guardian's Fiver, 08 September 2008 Attention: In order to obtain maximum enjoyment from your stay at the CCSLC, the reader is advised that the above post may contain large amounts of sarcasm, dry humour, or statements which should not be taken in any true sort of seriousness. As a result, the above poster absolves himself of any and all blame in the event that a forum user responds to the aforementioned post without taking the previous notice into account. Thank you for your cooperation, and enjoy your stay at the CCSLC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodAtFirstBite Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Top 50 Television Markets (Markets without Major League Baseball in BOLD)1. New York - Yankees/Mets2. Los Angeles - Dodgers/Angels3. Chicago - Cubs/White Sox4. Philadelphia - Phillies5. Boston - Red Sox 6. San Francisco - Giants/A's7. Dallas - Rangers8. Washington, D.C. - Nationals9. Atlanta - Braves10. Houston - Astros11. Detroit - Tigers12. Tampa - Devil Rays13. Seattle - Mariners14. Phoenix - Diamondbacks15. Minneapolis - Twins16. Cleveland - Indians17. Miami - Marlins18. Denver - Rockies19. Sacramento 20. Orlando 21. St. Louis - Cardinals22. Pittsburgh - Pirates23. Portland 24. Baltimore - Orioles25. Indianapolis 26. San Diego - Padres27. Charlotte 28. Hartford 29. Raleigh 30. Nashville 31. Kansas City - Royals32. Columbus 33. Milwaukee - Brewers34. Cincinnati - Reds35. Greenville36. Salt Lake City37. San Antonio 38. West Palm Beach 39. Grand Rapids 40. Birmingham 41. Harrisburg 42. Norfolk 43. New Orleans44. Memphis45. Oklahoma City46. Albuquerque47. Greensboro48. Las Vegas49. Buffalo50. Louisville Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winghaz Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Maybe the solution is to just move the Marlins to Orlando. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopard88 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Maybe the solution is to just move the Marlins to Orlando.I'm not sure if you're serious or not, but that would be way too close to Tampa Bay. Just guesstimating, but I believe Orlando and Tampa are no more than 75 miles apart. One of the locals can specify for us. Most Liked Content of the Day -- February 15, 2017, August 21, 2017, August 22, 2017 ///// Proud Winner of the CCSLC Post of the Day Award -- April 8, 2008 Originator of the Upside Down Sarcasm Smilie -- November 1, 2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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