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Anybody catch this game? Baltimore pitcher Jeremy Guthrie shut down the Sox for 8 1/3 innings, allowing 3 hits. Perlozzo pulled Guthrie after an error by Ramon Hernandez, and the bullpen imploaded. Was this one of the dumbest moves in recent memory? Here you have a pitcher shutting down a potent offense, and you pull him because of an error he had no control of. Oh yeah, and his pitch count was only 90. Thanks to you Sam Perlozzo for the victory.

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Was this one of the dumbest moves in recent memory?

John Gibbons manages my favourite team... I see bullpen moves like that on a daily basis :P

Check the line on the Jays starting pitcher today, then look at the final score, blah.

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Was this one of the dumbest moves in recent memory?

John Gibbons manages my favourite team... I see bullpen moves like that on a daily basis :P

Check the line on the Jays starting pitcher today, then look at the final score, blah.

What the hell prompted that move? A no-hitter through 6 innings with only 78 pitches thrown, well no wonder why the Graphite Jays are 15-22. Send John my regards Christopher, I'm exstatic to have such incapable managers in the East.

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Was this one of the dumbest moves in recent memory?

John Gibbons manages my favourite team... I see bullpen moves like that on a daily basis :P

Check the line on the Jays starting pitcher today, then look at the final score, blah.

What the hell prompted that move? A no-hitter through 6 innings with only 78 pitches thrown, well no wonder why the Graphite Jays are 15-22. Send John my regards Christopher, I'm exstatic to have such incapable managers in the East.

Bullpen pitcher making first start of the season... I don't care if there's a pitch count or not, if your pitcher is dominating like that you leave him in.

Going over a pitch count once ain't going to kill your pitcher... I mean Tim Wakefield (bad example) threw 172 pitches in a game back in '93 and he's still doing fine.

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Yes, the Orioles suck, thanks for reminding me. Honestly this is the worst run franchise in sports. Stupid moves are made constantly. We've already had two devasting loses in which we've collapsed in the ninth (yankees arod grandslam). I'm still wondering why Freddie Bynum and Paul Bako are on the MLB roster. There both pathetic and don't belong anywhere near the MLB. We have two quality bench guys in JR House and Jon Knott that could fill both their spots and be much more useful. Yet we stick with the scrubs. Peter Angelos has ruined the Orioles. I've never wished bad things upon another human being, but I'm pretty close to doing it with Angelos. I don't know why I've thought this year would be any different this year. With Angelos at the top we will never have another winning season. We could have the AL All Star team as our roster and still find a way to finish with a losing record.

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My worst :censored:ing nightmare...The Red Sox look like the best team in baseball. It's still a long way to October. If I had a dollar for every time I've seen some bonehead manager pull a starter while he's pitching a gem only to see the bullpen get knocked all over the park I'd be writing this from my beach house in Hawaii instead of Ohio. When guy is throwing like that a good manager will just get out of the way. Unfortunately The O's don't have a good manager. All that being said and done...are you kidding me? Jeremy Guthrie? Probably the best game he'll ever pitch and he'll have nothing to show for it.

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I'm still wondering why Freddie Bynum and Paul Bako are on the MLB roster. There both pathetic and don't belong anywhere near the MLB.

A bit of a side note yes.

So THATS where Bynum ended up. I remember watching him play for Sacramento for a few years and he quickly became one of my favorite minor league players. He didnt resign with Oakland/Sacramento and I figured he was probably playing AAA ball somewhere else, seeing as he was basically tabbed a career minor leaguer. But then on Opening Day last season I was watching the Cubs Reds game and in the Ninth the Cubs sent in a pinch runner, none other than Freddie Bynum. I was stunned to see he not only made a big league club, but accually made the opening day roster and even played opening day. Im happy to see him in the bigs, but he's not exactly the definition of a sure major leaguer.

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:cursing::cursing::cursing:

The only printable thing I can say is I'm glad I went out to dinner and was seated just before the bottom of the 9th, thus sparing me the agony of actually watching the whole thing unfold.

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I was out to dinner with my mom yesterday, I check a TV on in the bar of the restaurant, and it's 5-0 O's thinking all is well. When I get home go on the internet to see the O's at .500 I flip out. Come on, 8.1 Shutout innings, and you take him out. 90 Pitches, 3 hits. :censored: YOU Angelos and Perlozzo. Sell the team NOW!!!

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Im happy to see him in the bigs, but he's not exactly the definition of a sure major leaguer.

Yea, he's plays hard and would have been a great bench player for the O's in the past (not saying much). But we have a great pinch hitter/lefty masher in Jon Knott. The guy hit 30 homers last season in the minors. I have no clue why we aren't taking a chance on him.

Jeremy Guthrie? Probably the best game he'll ever pitch and he'll have nothing to show for it.

I wouldn't say he has nothing to show for it, Wins are an overrated stat (for this exact reason). Plus he was a former 1st round draft pick. So he has some pretty good stuff. Not saying I expect him to pitch like that again, but I think he could surprise people.

The O's really have made some good scouting moves, but make bonehead roster moves. I don't think they'll ever put it together on the field (as long as Angelos owns the team).

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Jeremy Guthrie? Probably the best game he'll ever pitch and he'll have nothing to show for it.

I wouldn't say he has nothing to show for it, Wins are an overrated stat (for this exact reason). Plus he was a former 1st round draft pick. So he has some pretty good stuff. Not saying I expect him to pitch like that again, but I think he could surprise people.

Well we waited for him to "surprise us" for a while here in Cleveland and, as you can see, he did so well for The Tribe that he's now pitching in Baltimore. I hope you're right and he gives you some value but I wouldn't hold my breath either. He's got nice velocity and not much else.

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My worst :censored:ing nightmare...The Red Sox look like the best team in baseball. It's still a long way to October. If I had a dollar for every time I've seen some bonehead manager pull a starter while he's pitching a gem only to see the bullpen get knocked all over the park I'd be writing this from my beach house in Hawaii instead of Ohio. When guy is throwing like that a good manager will just get out of the way. Unfortunately The O's don't have a good manager. All that being said and done...are you kidding me? Jeremy Guthrie? Probably the best game he'll ever pitch and he'll have nothing to show for it.

Most runs scored in the Major League... fewest runs allowed. You're right, though -- a long way to October, but I absolutely love this team... every aspect of it. Well, Except Tavarez starting every fifth game and I might like to see Wily Mo Pena starting in CF over Coco Crisp. :D

You'll find a lot of bad bullpen management in the AL East. Not so much this year from Francona (because we have more than one or two capable arms in the pen), but last year he had his fair share of head scratchers. Joe Torre couldn't manage a pitching staff if his life depended on it, and any time a Devil Rays reliever gets the nod it's a roll of the dice. This, though, and the Blue Jays pitcher getting yanked are as bad as I've seen.

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Joe Torre couldn't manage a pitching staff if his life depended on it, and any time a Devil Rays reliever gets the nod it's a roll of the dice. This, though, and the Blue Jays pitcher getting yanked are as bad as I've seen.

I've always thought Joe Torre was way overrated as a manager. I'm not saying he's a bad manager but he's not even in the ballpark of great managers. He seems to know how to handle a team full of high salaried stars and that's what it takes with the Yankees. Give Torre a team like the Tigers or Twins and he's lucky to go .500. Just ask Atlanta... :D

I'd love to see what the D-Rays could do with even a hint of a bullpen. Too bad they're in the AL East. They'll never be able to compete with the Boston and New York duopoly.

The problem is that coaching staffs baby the pitchers too much. Could you imagine Bob Gibson pitching 8 1/3 of three hit ball and coming out of the game? I think pitch counts are ridiculous. If the guy is throwing well you leave him in. Period. Especially with a lead of three or more runs.

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