FamousAtticus Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Just read over on RealGM that the Miami Heat will be retiring Tim Hardaway's number during halftime of their opening night game against the Knicks. ArticleNow, I'm trying really hard to not have an opinion based on my feelings from the late 90s rivalry... but come on now. Mourning you could at least make a case for. The man was the heart and soul of the franchise - the centerpiece. If I'm not mistaken, they also retired Michael Jordan's #23, despite him never playing for the team. I just don't see how (like MJ), Tim Hardaway deserves his number retired. Great players have their numbers retired, and great players who contributed something big to the organization. What has Hardaway done to earn the honor? In his five seasons as a member of the Heat, sure he was a GOOD player. A really good player, even. But in four of those five seasons, Hardaway's Heat lost three-of-four postseason series to the Knicks - and in all four series, the Heat were the higher seed. The team made the conference finals in ONE of his season, 1997, and lost to the Bulls in five games. He apparently is the Heat's all-time assists leader and is ranked highly in other statistical categories. That all means he was a very good player. But worthy of retirement? Ehhhh... I just don't think so. If every "very good" player got their numbers retired, there'd be very few numbers available. I liken it to the Knicks retiring numbers for Charles Oakley or John Starks. Good/Very good players with their team, beloved by the fans, parts of huge rivalries, lots of postseason games, ranked high in stat categories... but ultimately, they can never be called great players.Am I off base here?I completely agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wasatch Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Just read over on RealGM that the Miami Heat will be retiring Tim Hardaway's number during halftime of their opening night game against the Knicks. ArticleNow, I'm trying really hard to not have an opinion based on my feelings from the late 90s rivalry... but come on now. Mourning you could at least make a case for. The man was the heart and soul of the franchise - the centerpiece. If I'm not mistaken, they also retired Michael Jordan's #23, despite him never playing for the team. I just don't see how (like MJ), Tim Hardaway deserves his number retired. Great players have their numbers retired, and great players who contributed something big to the organization. What has Hardaway done to earn the honor? In his five seasons as a member of the Heat, sure he was a GOOD player. A really good player, even. But in four of those five seasons, Hardaway's Heat lost three-of-four postseason series to the Knicks - and in all four series, the Heat were the higher seed. The team made the conference finals in ONE of his season, 1997, and lost to the Bulls in five games. He apparently is the Heat's all-time assists leader and is ranked highly in other statistical categories. That all means he was a very good player. But worthy of retirement? Ehhhh... I just don't think so. If every "very good" player got their numbers retired, there'd be very few numbers available. I liken it to the Knicks retiring numbers for Charles Oakley or John Starks. Good/Very good players with their team, beloved by the fans, parts of huge rivalries, lots of postseason games, ranked high in stat categories... but ultimately, they can never be called great players.Am I off base here?I can tell you're a bit biased to this issue, being the Knicks fan as you are. Hardaway's number retirement status has nothing to do with whether their teams lost to the Knicks or not, it's about what he brought to the organization on and off the court. So obviously the Heat Organization feels that he was one of the best players in the team history, and they're right, he is!Every team has different criteria to retire a player?s number, so you're neither right nor wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 Delonte West is ready for war. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wasatch Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 Delonte West is ready for war.I'd like to say I'm surprised but who really is? This guy's been a punk since day 1 and he'll be out of the league in a matter of a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cujo Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 It's been a full month and Quentin Richardson is still a member of the Miami Heat. Now, I find that to be quite newsworthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFoA Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 Delonte West is ready for war.Best thing about that? The man had a shotgun in a guitar case.Yes, you read that right. Delonte Banderas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njmeadowlanders Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4497411In Soviet Russia...Basketball Owns You!I guess this means the Nets officially WILL be moving to Brooklyn...I mean they wanted to be there by 2005 or so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jigga Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 The Brooklyn Nyets...I can dig it. On January 16, 2013 at 3:49 PM, NJTank said: Btw this is old hat for Notre Dame. Knits Rockne made up George Tip's death bed speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 Yeah! No Sleep Till Brooklyn! Probably no being good at basketball either! ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jigga Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 Lebron said he wanted to be a global icon, didn't he? On January 16, 2013 at 3:49 PM, NJTank said: Btw this is old hat for Notre Dame. Knits Rockne made up George Tip's death bed speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamikel Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 Lebron to Cleveland: "Do svidaniya!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkJourney Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 The Golden State Warriors should just fold now. This franchise will always be a walking nuclear bomb. Stephen Jackson of course wants to be traded and now Monta Ellis says he can't play along side Stephen Curry. This franchise has surpassed the Clippers as the most dysfuctional and worst franchise in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wasatch Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 I wish San Fran had a newer arena so they could just move them a crossed The Bay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerbreadmann Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 NO ONE TOLD ME LEON POWE WENT TO CLEVELAND. This is truly awful. It's all :censored:ing Big Baby's fault. Trade, please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwabel Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 I wish San Fran had a newer arena so they could just move them a crossed The Bay.The City of San Francisco does not even have an arena (age of Oralce or otherwise), less that which the Univ. of San Francisco plays at. The Cow Palace is in Daly City, and could be sold by the State of California at any moment. While the city has the tourist base to get something, remember SF is only 49 square miles big. AT&T Park is basically on a landfill and built privately. Getting the 49ers into the city proper is a 20 year old issue. They have Moscone Center North/South/West, so convention space is never an issue. While The City has lots of DINK households (Dual Income No Kids), they don't care about the NBA, the East Bay cares more. Plus, Oracle can house the largest NBA crowds in the state, more than Staples or Honda Center plus can be gotten to easily via BART. Before renovation, it was collegiate, after, it has narrow concourses and "nicer", but so does US Airways and it was build from the ground up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wasatch Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 I wish San Fran had a newer arena so they could just move them a crossed The Bay.The City of San Francisco does not even have an arena (age of Oralce or otherwise), less that which the Univ. of San Francisco plays at. The Cow Palace is in Daly City, and could be sold by the State of California at any moment. While the city has the tourist base to get something, remember SF is only 49 square miles big. AT&T Park is basically on a landfill and built privately. Getting the 49ers into the city proper is a 20 year old issue. They have Moscone Center North/South/West, so convention space is never an issue. While The City has lots of DINK households (Dual Income No Kids), they don't care about the NBA, the East Bay cares more. Plus, Oracle can house the largest NBA crowds in the state, more than Staples or Honda Center plus can be gotten to easily via BART. Before renovation, it was collegiate, after, it has narrow concourses and "nicer", but so does US Airways and it was build from the ground up.Interesting take on things, thanks for sharing that! It?s just too the city of Oakland decided to keep the old crappy exterior shell of the Oakland Arena. Everything in the Oracle seems jammed pack and too crowded as opposed to other more spacious arenas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HedleyLamarr Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 I heard yesterday that the officials' union turned down the latest offer, which likely means that replacement refs are going to work the preseason games.A lot of NBA fans think the refs are terrible...can the NBA get any worse with these replacement refs? And will this really affect the regular season games all that much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wasatch Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 I heard yesterday that the officials' union turned down the latest offer, which likely means that replacement refs are going to work the preseason games.A lot of NBA fans think the refs are terrible...can the NBA get any worse with these replacement refs? And will this really affect the regular season games all that much?The media seems to think it'll affect the games but I'm not sure at this point. I go to quite a bit Jazz games throughout the season and I'm going to tonight's game, so we'll see how much of a difference there is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jigga Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 They'll be fine, most people won't even notice a difference. On January 16, 2013 at 3:49 PM, NJTank said: Btw this is old hat for Notre Dame. Knits Rockne made up George Tip's death bed speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wasatch Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Here?s an article on the refs performance in last night?s game. They apparently called 69 fouls which seemed a ton to me in the second half. Every time up the court?.FOUL, FOUL, FOUL! I personally thought it was ridiculous! Does anybody know the average of fouls per game, even in Salt Lake City where the Jazz seem to foul the most in the league? ESPN: No early complaints about referees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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