Luigi Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 I'm watching the Tampa Bay vs. Atlanta game right now and it looks as if the numbers on Tampa Bays Unis are screen-printed on. They're shinier than Atlanta's and I swear i could see the mesh of Josh Freeman's jersey through his number. Any info on if these numbers ae screen-printed is appreciated. Also, if they are screen-printed, is this because they are trying to acheive a 'true throwback' look? Or for any other reason?EDIT: Alright, I can confirm that Josh Freeman's numbers are printed, as well as his NOB. It also seems that his jersey is completely made of mesh. My fantasy teams: West Coast Cardinals (WRU), Glasgow Claymores (RLI) (Champions 2012) and Pemberton Foresters (VBL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luigi Posted December 6, 2010 Author Share Posted December 6, 2010 If you look closely at this picture you can see that his jersey is completely made of mesh and the numbers are screen-printed on: My fantasy teams: West Coast Cardinals (WRU), Glasgow Claymores (RLI) (Champions 2012) and Pemberton Foresters (VBL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brave-Bird 08 Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 yea. i posted in the nfl weekly notes section, earlier.i love how they used mesh all the way around the jersey, and printed the numbers on. looked really cool.i actually loved those uniforms. only bad thing was the white clips for the face shields...they looked like cotton balls on their facemask.and i LOVE that they lost!! AHAHAH!! RISE UP FALCONS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luigi Posted December 6, 2010 Author Share Posted December 6, 2010 I found a fantastic photo gallery on NFL.com with pictures of teams wearing throwbacks in the last 20 years. This is also where i got the above photo from: http://www.nfl.com/photos/09000d5d802ac48e?module=HP_spotlight#id:09000d5d81ca93f1 My fantasy teams: West Coast Cardinals (WRU), Glasgow Claymores (RLI) (Champions 2012) and Pemberton Foresters (VBL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 Actually, the numbers are probably heat pressed rather than screen printed. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luigi Posted December 6, 2010 Author Share Posted December 6, 2010 Actually, the numbers are probably heat pressed rather than screen printed.could you explain the difference? My fantasy teams: West Coast Cardinals (WRU), Glasgow Claymores (RLI) (Champions 2012) and Pemberton Foresters (VBL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewharrington Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 Looks like that was the case last year as well. I still don't have a website, but I have a dribbble now! http://dribbble.com/andyharry [The postings on this site are my own and do not necessarily represent the position, strategy or opinions of adidas and/or its brands.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 Actually, the numbers are probably heat pressed rather than screen printed.could you explain the difference?It's exactly as the names suggest. Heat-pressed numbers are cut out of a thin material (vinyl?) and affixed to the jersey by a heat press. Think giant waffle machine, which presses the number against the material and melts the back layer, causing it to stick. These numbers can and do fall off from time to time - happened to the Knicks' Amar'e Stoudemire just a few weeks ago:http://hardcourtmayhem.com/blog/2010/11/25/amare-stoudemire-loses-his-number-off-jersey-in-game/Screen-printed numbers are painted on, in the silkscreen process. There's no physical number at all, just paint. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddball Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 Actually, the numbers are probably heat pressed rather than screen printed.could you explain the difference?Simple way to explain it, think of heat press as an iron-on transfer, albeit a more professional version. Where as screen printed, would be each number is blocked out on a screen and the ink is pressed through the screen for one color, then after it dries and the second color is pressed through another screen to give you the outline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habsfan1 Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 Those throwbacks look good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luigi Posted December 6, 2010 Author Share Posted December 6, 2010 Actually, the numbers are probably heat pressed rather than screen printed.could you explain the difference?It's exactly as the names suggest. Heat-pressed numbers are cut out of a thin material (vinyl?) and affixed to the jersey by a heat press. Think giant waffle machine, which presses the number against the material and melts the back layer, causing it to stick. These numbers can and do fall off from time to time - happened to the Knicks' Amar'e Stoudemire just a few weeks ago:http://hardcourtmayhem.com/blog/2010/11/25/amare-stoudemire-loses-his-number-off-jersey-in-game/Screen-printed numbers are painted on, in the silkscreen process. There's no physical number at all, just paint.Thanks for that explanation, i thought it was something like that but if the numbers were heat-pressed and not screen-printed, wouldn't the mesh still be covered? or does the material 'sink' into the mesh. Another question, was this how numbers were applied in the 70s, 80s and early 90s? My fantasy teams: West Coast Cardinals (WRU), Glasgow Claymores (RLI) (Champions 2012) and Pemberton Foresters (VBL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 Heat-pressed numbers are always solid.The Packers silkcreened their numbers from the 1970s through 1994. You can really see the paint on this 1989 Mandarich gamer: The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hormone Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 This is what sort of bothers me here. It's one thing for "authenticity" but aren't all teams using the modern twill numbers on their throwbacks? The price really doesn't reflect it that much. I paid almost as much for my throwback as I did for my home/away and they are twill, three color numbers, have the sleeve logos sewn, and have a two color sewn wordmark on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luigi Posted December 7, 2010 Author Share Posted December 7, 2010 Heat-pressed numbers are always solid.Well I could see through Josh Freeman's number so these must of been printed My fantasy teams: West Coast Cardinals (WRU), Glasgow Claymores (RLI) (Champions 2012) and Pemberton Foresters (VBL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tBBP Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 This is what sort of bothers me here. It's one thing for "authenticity" but aren't all teams using the modern twill numbers on their throwbacks? The price really doesn't reflect it that much. I paid almost as much for my throwback as I did for my home/away and they are twill, three color numbers, have the sleeve logos sewn, and have a two color sewn wordmark on them.I don't know how true this is, but from what I was told by a few people I know down in Tampa, the Buc team shop actually caught a lil' bit of flak for trying to sell a "too authentic" authentic last season when they revived these things. The crux of the ill will was the numbers--some folks couldn't justify paying two hundred-something dollars for "a replica". Gut guess is if this was the case, somebody got hip to that and afterward they started offering the throwbacks with actual twill numbers this go-round.(Which, even though I already own plenty of creamsicle gear, I still dropped change on...couldn't help it. ) *Disclaimer: I am not an authoritative expert on stuff...I just do a lot of reading and research and keep in close connect with a bunch of people who are authoritative experts on stuff. || dribbble || Behance || Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 This is what sort of bothers me here. It's one thing for "authenticity" but aren't all teams using the modern twill numbers on their throwbacks?I can't speak for Tampa Bay, but most of the teams wearing throwbacks are referencing jerseys that originally had sewn-on numbers. Screen print in the pros was a relatively short-lived "innovation." The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewharrington Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 This is what sort of bothers me here. It's one thing for "authenticity" but aren't all teams using the modern twill numbers on their throwbacks?I can't speak for Tampa Bay, but most of the teams wearing throwbacks are referencing jerseys that originally had sewn-on numbers. Screen print in the pros was a relatively short-lived "innovation."If by 'short-lived' you mean 20 years or so, then I guess screen printing was short-lived in the pros. Let's not confuse paint with ink, either. Similar in some ways, but definitely not the same.Depending on how heavy the ink is applied, sometimes it will totally block out the holes in the mesh. Michigan had really heavy printed numbers on its jerseys before switching back to tackle twill.Heat transferred numbers could sink into the mesh a little bit, but they wont blow all the way through so you can see the holes. Football jerseys are never are made with heat transferred numbers anyway. They're just not durable enough. There are also different types of heat applied numbers and letters. Some processes leave you with a more permanent number than others. I still don't have a website, but I have a dribbble now! http://dribbble.com/andyharry [The postings on this site are my own and do not necessarily represent the position, strategy or opinions of adidas and/or its brands.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 If by 'short-lived' you mean 20 years or so, then I guess screen printing was short-lived in the pros. Considering that football jerseys have had identifiers sewn on to them for about a hundred years (at least), then yes. I'd consider 20 years or so to be relatively short-lived. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hormone Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 This is what sort of bothers me here. It's one thing for "authenticity" but aren't all teams using the modern twill numbers on their throwbacks? The price really doesn't reflect it that much. I paid almost as much for my throwback as I did for my home/away and they are twill, three color numbers, have the sleeve logos sewn, and have a two color sewn wordmark on them.I don't know how true this is, but from what I was told by a few people I know down in Tampa, the Buc team shop actually caught a lil' bit of flak for trying to sell a "too authentic" authentic last season when they revived these things. The crux of the ill will was the numbers--some folks couldn't justify paying two hundred-something dollars for "a replica". Gut guess is if this was the case, somebody got hip to that and afterward they started offering the throwbacks with actual twill numbers this go-round.(Which, even though I already own plenty of creamsicle gear, I still dropped change on...couldn't help it. )Just got my creamcicle in the mail today. It pains me to say this, but I'm a little disappointed. From my previous post, you can see price-wise why I'm disappointed. The jersey itself is completely mesh except for the side panels and Buc, they used twill numbers and letters on the name plate. It looks like a $40 jersey with $70 worth of twill on it...putting this Talib (hope he gets healthy and gets his behavior straight) by the home and away one sort of makes me wish I got the throwback first so I could be blown away by the other two.Prices: Throwback $281, but used a coupon and got it for $253Red: $284White: $142 (using the buy one, get one half off coupon) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidnightSun Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 This is what sort of bothers me here. It's one thing for "authenticity" but aren't all teams using the modern twill numbers on their throwbacks? The price really doesn't reflect it that much. I paid almost as much for my throwback as I did for my home/away and they are twill, three color numbers, have the sleeve logos sewn, and have a two color sewn wordmark on them.I don't know how true this is, but from what I was told by a few people I know down in Tampa, the Buc team shop actually caught a lil' bit of flak for trying to sell a "too authentic" authentic last season when they revived these things. The crux of the ill will was the numbers--some folks couldn't justify paying two hundred-something dollars for "a replica". Gut guess is if this was the case, somebody got hip to that and afterward they started offering the throwbacks with actual twill numbers this go-round.(Which, even though I already own plenty of creamsicle gear, I still dropped change on...couldn't help it. )Just got my creamcicle in the mail today. It pains me to say this, but I'm a little disappointed. From my previous post, you can see price-wise why I'm disappointed. The jersey itself is completely mesh except for the side panels and Buc, they used twill numbers and letters on the name plate. It looks like a $40 jersey with $70 worth of twill on it...putting this Talib (hope he gets healthy and gets his behavior straight) by the home and away one sort of makes me wish I got the throwback first so I could be blown away by the other two.Prices: Throwback $281, but used a coupon and got it for $253Red: $284White: $142 (using the buy one, get one half off coupon)Can you post pics of the throwback? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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