Rockstar Matt Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Nothing wrong with a little self confidence, even if it is wrong. I would put Eli in the top 10 QBs, but not the top 5.Wait, wait, top 10 all-time? Or just top 10 currently? Cowboys - Lakers - LAFC - USMNT - LA Rams - LA Kings - NUFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintsfan Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Borderline top 10 I'd say. Brady, Peyton, Brees, Rodgers, Rivers, Ryan, Vick, Big Ben, Thats 8 I'd put clearly ahead of Eli, then there are guys like Cutler, Sanchez, Hasselbeck, Romo on a similar sort of level to Eli. (And probably a few who slipped my mind). 2011/12 WFL Champions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexter Morgan Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 I'm obviously a big Sanchez supporter, but he's not on that level yet. Does he get extra credit for what he's done in the playoffs, yes, but he hasn't put up a great regular season yet. Tom BradyPeyton ManningAaron RogersDrew BreesPhillip RiversBen RoethlisbergerMicheal VickMatt SchaubMatt RyanTony RomoEli ManningMatt CasselJay CutlerJosh FreemanSam BradfordMark SanchezJoe FlaccoMatt HasselbeckDonavan McNabbKyle Orton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintsfan Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 One of the interesting parts of this debate is what do you mean by a good QB? A good passer? A good clutch leader? Etc etc. I think Eli probably would be ahead of Sanchez at the moment, but not by THAT far. Bradshaw's reputation grew because of rings, 1 ring ain't gonna do that for ya! 2011/12 WFL Champions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexter Morgan Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 One of the interesting parts of this debate is what do you mean by a good QB? A good passer? A good clutch leader? Etc etc. I think Eli probably would be ahead of Sanchez at the moment, but not by THAT far. Bradshaw's reputation grew because of rings, 1 ring ain't gonna do that for ya!Being from North Jersey, I've seen alot of Eli since he was drafted. He's a much better QB in the 2-minute drill. With the game on the like, I like my chances with him. But over the course of a game and season he makes a ton of bone headed throws. He's kind of a poor mans Brett Favre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JQK Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Matt Schaub ahead of Eli? Are you high? Stay Tuned Sports Podcast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJTank Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Nothing wrong with a little self confidence, even if it is wrong. I would put Eli in the top 10 QBs, but not the top 5.Wait, wait, top 10 all-time? Or just top 10 currently?Currently Here's my top ten1. Peyton2. Brady3. Brees4. Rodgers5. Roethlisberger6. Eli7. Rivers8. Vick9. Romo10. Ryan www.sportsecyclopedia.com For the best in sports history go to the Sports E-Cyclopedia at http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintsfan Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Nothing wrong with a little self confidence, even if it is wrong. I would put Eli in the top 10 QBs, but not the top 5.Wait, wait, top 10 all-time? Or just top 10 currently?Currently Here's my top ten1. Peyton2. Brady3. Brees4. Rodgers5. Roethlisberger6. Eli7. Rivers8. Vick9. Romo10. RyanI don't quite know how you have Romo ahead of Ryan, but Rivers below Eli. And Vick as the 8th? That's prejudice of some kind! 2011/12 WFL Champions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cujo Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Here's my top ten1. Peyton 2. Brady 3. Brees 4. Rodgers 5. Roethlisberger 6. Eli 7. Rivers 8. Vick 9. Romo 10. RyanIt appears like you are basing your list off of playoff success. While he has no rings (yet), I believe Mark Sanchez alerady has more playoff wins as a starter (4) than Eli (3). And has Matt Ryan won ONE a playoff game yet? Not that I'm saying Sanchez belongs in the Top Ten, but no way Eli and Ryan rank as high as you've got them -- that is if the playoffs matter to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexter Morgan Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Here's my top ten1. Peyton 2. Brady 3. Brees 4. Rodgers 5. Roethlisberger 6. Eli 7. Rivers 8. Vick 9. Romo 10. RyanIt appears like you are basing your list off of playoff success. While he has no rings (yet), I believe Mark Sanchez alerady has more playoff wins as a starter (4) than Eli (3). And has Matt Ryan won ONE a playoff game yet? Not that I'm saying Sanchez belongs in the Top Ten, but no way Eli and Ryan rank as high as you've got them -- that is if the playoffs matter to you.Eli has a Super Bowl ring for heavens sake, who cares if he has less wins than Sanchez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexter Morgan Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Matt Schaub ahead of Eli? Are you high?No, are you? They are comparable QB's, all of the guys ranked 7-12 are, but I give Schaub an edge.Schaub:completion %: 64.8passing yards per game: 276.02avg: 7.8TDs per game: 1.52QB rating: 91.5turnovers per game: 1.16Manning:completion %: 58.0passing yards per game: 219.87avg: 6.8TDs per game: 1.54QB rating: 80.2turnovers per game 1.36 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Here's my top ten1. Peyton 2. Brady 3. Brees 4. Rodgers 5. Roethlisberger 6. Eli 7. Rivers 8. Vick 9. Romo 10. RyanIt appears like you are basing your list off of playoff success. While he has no rings (yet), I believe Mark Sanchez alerady has more playoff wins as a starter (4) than Eli (3). And has Matt Ryan won ONE a playoff game yet? Not that I'm saying Sanchez belongs in the Top Ten, but no way Eli and Ryan rank as high as you've got them -- that is if the playoffs matter to you.Are we seriously crediting Sanchez for those playoff wins in his rookie season? The Jets won those games despite him, not because of him. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexter Morgan Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Here's my top ten1. Peyton 2. Brady 3. Brees 4. Rodgers 5. Roethlisberger 6. Eli 7. Rivers 8. Vick 9. Romo 10. RyanIt appears like you are basing your list off of playoff success. While he has no rings (yet), I believe Mark Sanchez alerady has more playoff wins as a starter (4) than Eli (3). And has Matt Ryan won ONE a playoff game yet? Not that I'm saying Sanchez belongs in the Top Ten, but no way Eli and Ryan rank as high as you've got them -- that is if the playoffs matter to you.Are we seriously crediting Sanchez for those playoff wins in his rookie season? The Jets won those games despite him, not because of him.You are flat out wrong. Mark Sanchez played well in the playoffs. 60.5% completion %, 9 TD, 3 Int, 94.3 QB rating. That's pretty damn good for a rookie and second year QB all on the road in the playoffs vs. guys like Carson Palmer, Bed Roethlisberger, Phillip Rivers, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady. He gets a ton of credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Here's my top ten1. Peyton 2. Brady 3. Brees 4. Rodgers 5. Roethlisberger 6. Eli 7. Rivers 8. Vick 9. Romo 10. RyanIt appears like you are basing your list off of playoff success. While he has no rings (yet), I believe Mark Sanchez alerady has more playoff wins as a starter (4) than Eli (3). And has Matt Ryan won ONE a playoff game yet? Not that I'm saying Sanchez belongs in the Top Ten, but no way Eli and Ryan rank as high as you've got them -- that is if the playoffs matter to you.Are we seriously crediting Sanchez for those playoff wins in his rookie season? The Jets won those games despite him, not because of him.You're flat out wrong. Sanchez played well in the playoffs. 60.5% completion %, 9 TD, 3 Int, 94.3 QB rating. That's pretty damn good for a rookie and second year QB all on the road in the playoffs vs. guys like Carson Palmer, Phillip Rivers, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady.The numbers for these games are not impressive. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexter Morgan Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Here's my top ten1. Peyton 2. Brady 3. Brees 4. Rodgers 5. Roethlisberger 6. Eli 7. Rivers 8. Vick 9. Romo 10. RyanIt appears like you are basing your list off of playoff success. While he has no rings (yet), I believe Mark Sanchez alerady has more playoff wins as a starter (4) than Eli (3). And has Matt Ryan won ONE a playoff game yet? Not that I'm saying Sanchez belongs in the Top Ten, but no way Eli and Ryan rank as high as you've got them -- that is if the playoffs matter to you.Are we seriously crediting Sanchez for those playoff wins in his rookie season? The Jets won those games despite him, not because of him.You're flat out wrong. Sanchez played well in the playoffs. 60.5% completion %, 9 TD, 3 Int, 94.3 QB rating. That's pretty damn good for a rookie and second year QB all on the road in the playoffs vs. guys like Carson Palmer, Phillip Rivers, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady.The numbers for these games are not impressive.Completing 80% percentage of your passes, throwing a TD, and not turning over the ball is bad? He didn't play to well in the SD game but he led the drive at the end of the game to win it. And that's what matters. His overall playoff numbers a very solid, especially for a rookie and 2nd year player. Again, you are flat out wrong when you said the Jets won those playoff games despite him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 The Jets don't win those games without Shonn Greene. This is not debatable. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexter Morgan Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 The Jets don't win those games without Shonn Greene. This is not debatable.Last time I checked football was a team game, and yes.. Shonn Greene was part of those teams, and still is, but Green doesn't get that long TD run late in the 4th if Sanchez doesn't hit Cotchery on the 3rd down play just before it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 And the team bailed Sanchez's ass out. Again and again. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YessSir32 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 I'm obviously a big Sanchez supporter, but he's not on that level yet. Does he get extra credit for what he's done in the playoffs, yes, but he hasn't put up a great regular season yet. Tom BradyPeyton ManningAaron RogersDrew BreesPhillip RiversBen RoethlisbergerMicheal VickMatt SchaubMatt RyanTony RomoEli ManningMatt CasselJay CutlerMatthew StaffordJosh FreemanSam BradfordMark SanchezJoe FlaccoMatt HasselbeckDonavan McNabbKyle OrtonMy boy should be right there. Detroit Falcons (NABL) | Detroit Gears (UFL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YessSir32 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Ndamukong Suh was fined 20,000 for inspiring my avatar. Funny how us Lions fans can spell Ndamukong so quickly now. Detroit Falcons (NABL) | Detroit Gears (UFL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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