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I think the endgame is that Seattle gets a nice new concert venue and home for the Storm.  Probably NHL because they're desperate.

 

But I can't see the NBA coming back. Not with this current group and the current plan. If Ballmer were still around or Bezos became interested, maybe. But all the random dudes who are part owners of the Knicks and Celtics and whatever else? It doesn't add up to me.

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42 minutes ago, DG_Now said:

I think the endgame is that Seattle gets a nice new concert venue and home for the Storm.  Probably NHL because they're desperate.

 

But I can't see the NBA coming back. Not with this current group and the current plan. If Ballmer were still around or Bezos became interested, maybe. But all the random dudes who are part owners of the Knicks and Celtics and whatever else? It doesn't add up to me.

What are thoughts on whether the NHL would succeed in Seattle?  This certainly does not seem like a great reason.  

 

I know there is some history but it's never struck me as the most hockey-fervent place.

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I know what you mean. I picture all those precious little NBA/MLS nerds who think hockey is some sort of bloodsport that's beneath them. But I don't think there are enough of them to hamstring a metropolitan area roughly the size of Montreal or PhoeniUHOH

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11 hours ago, the admiral said:

all those precious little NBA/MLS nerds who think hockey is some sort of bloodsport that's beneath them

 

:huh:

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I think Seattle would eventually be a good hockey market because hockey is cool and people like hockey once they know the sport and have a team of their own, but they'd have to know going in that they're starting from almost 0 and would have to invest in growing the game just like it's a sunbelt market. They've had the TBirds and Everett has the Silvertips, but only a couple people I knew there had any passing interest in the sport and I only knew one other true fan. There's not a lot of rinks and participation in the sport didn't seem to be that high so they'd have to build more facilities. For the lifelong residents it's just not on the radar at all.

 

But while there are a lot of hipsters there's also a lot of blue collar, lumberjack and shipping descendants who like getting drunk at Seahawks games and I could see those types getting into hockey if it's put in front of them. And it's a metro of almost 4 million and growing, which doesn't hurt. 

 

One thing it has going for it is it's become a big transplant city which could help carry attendance for some opponents in the early years until the locals latch on and become diehards. 

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14 hours ago, the admiral said:

I know what you mean. I picture all those precious little NBA/MLS nerds who think hockey is some sort of bloodsport that's beneath them. But I don't think there are enough of them to hamstring a metropolitan area roughly the size of Montreal or PhoeniUHOH

 

I don't think you should conflate Seattle sports fandom with me. I also don't think hockey is a bloodsport, though I do think rooting for fighting at WHL games is gross and weird (and I've been to three).

 

Seattle has a rich basketball history, especially at the high school level. Assuming we don't completely gentrify traditional basketball communities (which is rapidly and actively happening), that should stay true for at least one more generation. Jamal Crawford, Garu Payton, Shawn Kemp, Nate Robinson and Isaiah Thomas have a big presence in the community and I would expect that to continue.

 

Hockey would do fine here because a lot of people have more money than they know what to do with and love buying local sports merchandise (with the exception of the Storm, which I never see anywhere).

 

That said, I do see lots of hockey sweaters at TBirds games but really nowhere else. There's the random Flyers or Rangers hat around, but even during the Cup finals I didn't see any Penguins (and definitely not Predators) gear about. I certainly saw Warriors stuff.

 

The Seattle metro area has basically doubled in size since the Sonics left. There's enough to go around to support existing NFL/MLB/MLS/NCAA teams plus NBA and NHL.

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Seattle should probably have a franchise all big 4 sports leagues at this point. I was against them getting a hockey club initially. However, they certainly deserve a shot, given that there are a few markets that don't deserve one.

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Did a little digging, looks like there are around 30,000 Canadians living in the Seattle area, 45,000 total in Washington state. There's at least some hockey support in that population. You would get some amount of cross border fans from the Vancouver area coming down to Seattle for some games.  There's a population of around 800,000 people living in the Vancouver area between the border and the Fraser river.  

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Maybe they moved to Seattle to get away from hockey.

 

However many Canadians there are, I'm confident Seattle would have a high floor and a medium ceiling as a hockey market. St. Louis, basically.

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I could see them doing better than St. Louis, considering the Blues run their operations in the red most years. Even if St. Louis is their ceiling, that's still pretty good by the NHL's standards. 

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The Blues are pretty much always well-supported (except maybe a year or two out off the '05 lockout where the hockey ops bottomed out), it's just that for some reason, anyone who owns that team is always falling down a flight of stairs with his head stuck in a honey jar.

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On 6/12/2017 at 7:49 PM, the admiral said:

I know what you mean. I picture all those precious little NBA/MLS nerds who think hockey is some sort of bloodsport that's beneath them. But I don't think there are enough of them to hamstring a metropolitan area roughly the size of Montreal or PhoeniUHOH

 

You know, it's kind of funny. I know quite a few of those "Chicago dirtbags" (That's their term. And I mean that as a term of endearment, as a lot of those dudes are really close friends of mine. I assume you know the kind I'm talking about). But I probably know just as many if not more "dirtbaggy" people from Seattle than I do from Chicago. 

 

I know Seattle gives off that vibe of snobbiness akin to San Francisco and aims in a lot of ways for a certain air of sophistication, but there are just as many people in Seattle who wanna get :censored:ed up and watch people hit each other as there are those who go around after Comic Con looking for fair trade restaurants that specialize in quinoa dishes. Just look at their music scene. There's a reason there two top musicians died of drug overdoses. 

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10 minutes ago, Bucfan56 said:

 

You know, it's kind of funny. I know quite a few of those "Chicago dirtbags" (That's their term. And I mean that as a term of endearment, as a lot of those dudes are really close friends of mine. I assume you know the kind I'm talking about). But I probably know just as many if not more "dirtbaggy" people from Seattle than I do from Chicago. 

 

I know Seattle gives off that vibe of snobbiness akin to San Francisco and aims in a lot of ways for a certain air of sophistication, but there are just as many people in Seattle who wanna get :censored:ed up and watch people hit each other as there are those who go around after Comic Con looking for fair trade restaurants that specialize in quinoa dishes. Just look at their music scene. There's a reason there two top musicians died of drug overdoses. 

Evidence:  They have an NFL team.

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I like watching people hit each other and eating large amounts of quinoa. There's no place for me in this world.

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Yes there is. Seattle.

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NBA isn't looking to expand anytime soon according to the commissioner. 

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31 minutes ago, colortv said:

NBA isn't looking to expand anytime soon according to the commissioner. 

well then

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Going all out to save New Orleans wasn't really worth it for the NBA.

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20 minutes ago, the admiral said:

Going all out to save New Orleans wasn't really worth it for the NBA.

 

I think we're going to find out in a few years that David Stern was suffering from dementia circa 2005-onward.

 

But at least he didn't run for president.

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3 hours ago, the admiral said:

Going all out to save New Orleans wasn't really worth it for the NBA.

 

We'll see what happens with that arena. It only holds 16k for basketball and seems pretty cookie cutter.

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