rvrdgsfn Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Well, add another to the list...http://wavy.com/2015/01/07/norfolk-admirals-expected-to-be-sold-2/Fourteen years after becoming an affiliate of the American Hockey League, it appears the Norfolk Admirals franchise will be sold to its parent team – the Anaheim Ducks.10 On Your Side sources confirm that the move is inevitable as part of a new AHL Western Division that is expected to be created by five NHL teams. The Calgary Flames, Edmonton Oilers, L.A. Kings, San Jose Sharks and Anaheim all have AHL affiliates on the east coast and moving those affiliates to the west would save time and money when players are sent up and down from the major league level to Triple-A.Sources tell WAVY-TV and FOX 43 Sports Director Bruce Rader the sale of the Admirals may not be finalized but it appears to be a “done deal.” The AHL franchise would be sold by Young to the Ducks, and this would be its last season in Norfolk.This does not necessarily mean the end of professional hockey in Hampton Roads. Sources say the city may attract a team from the ECHL – most likely the Bakersfield Condors, the double-A franchise owned by Edmonton.Although the Oilers would own the team, there is speculation Young will manage the franchise and the team will switch its name to the Admirals and continue to play its games at the Norfolk Scope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 There can be only one, but how ignominious to be outlived by a skeleton. Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still MIGHTY Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 They could keep the Admirals moniker if they do go to San Diego, with the Navy presence and all. (Although, if it is San Diego, I fully expect Gulls.) Or if they went to Long Beach, they could pull it off with the Seal Beach base right there and the port, obviously. But speaking of Long Beach: It seems like Fresno, Long Beach, and Abbotsford (Canucks only) could also be markets to consider, if only because they have the facilities. But if the AHL sets up a 5-team league that only plays itself in California, it's gonna be an ugly disaster that probably will also manage to screw the ECHL at the same time. I don't know if Long Beach would work at the AHL level if it's not a Ducks or Kings affiliate. At the IHL and ECHL level, it worked for what it was. But say if the Sharks went into Long Beach instead of Stockton/Fresno/San Jose, Ducks/Kings fans aren't going to go watch the Sharks prospects. (There would be even less of a care if it was Calgary or Vancouver.) Stockton and then Fresno should be higher on the list than Long Beach. (Although if they went to Long Beach, I'd be applying for jobs yesterday.) Why would that be a disaster? If you're saying that they just cycle through the five teams over and over, then yeah maybe. There's going to have to be some schedule adjustments to make this all work. Didn't they kind of do this with their Texas/OKC circuit? As for the ECHL, they could probably stand to be a little bit more EC than they've been since the mergers, anyway. Quote | ANA | LAA | LAR | LAL | ASU | CSULB | USMNT | USWNT | LAFC | OCSC | MAN UTD | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sodboy13 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Yeah, the talk all has been that the AHL West would basically function as its own league until the playoffs, as the ECHL West does now. So in a 5-team league, that means playing each opponent 18 times in a season, and always one team unable to play, which probably leads to a lot of scheduling of games on less desirable nights. It also probably bones alignments in the Midwest and Texas, though to what extent, I'm not certain. There's still a lot to shake out here.One unrelated thing that has to happen - I mean has to - is that Peoria either goes back up to the ECHL or drops to juniors like Bloomington did. The SPHL is running a 9-team league with 8 southern teams and Peoria. Take the hint, Rivs. Quote On 1/25/2013 at 1:53 PM, 'Atom said: For all the bird de lis haters I think the bird de lis isnt supposed to be a pelican and a fleur de lis I think its just a fleur de lis with a pelicans head. Thats what it looks like to me. Also the flair around the tip of the beak is just flair that fleur de lis have sometimes source I am from NOLA. PotD: 10/19/07, 08/25/08, 07/22/10, 08/13/10, 04/15/11, 05/19/11, 01/02/12, and 01/05/12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DustDevil61 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) Yeah, the talk all has been that the AHL West would basically function as its own league until the playoffs, as the ECHL West does now. So in a 5-team league, that means playing each opponent 18 times in a season, and always one team unable to play, which probably leads to a lot of scheduling of games on less desirable nights. It also probably bones alignments in the Midwest and Texas, though to what extent, I'm not certain. There's still a lot to shake out here.One unrelated thing that has to happen - I mean has to - is that Peoria either goes back up to the ECHL or drops to juniors like Bloomington did. The SPHL is running a 9-team league with 8 southern teams and Peoria. Take the hint, Rivs.It would be weird having a 5-team pseudo-league; is there any chance there are some games played against central teams (Iowa, Texas, Milwaukee, etc.)--or less likely--are there going to be more than 5 teams on the West Coast? Edited January 8, 2015 by DustDevil61 Quote Insert Signature Here? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportstar1212 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Having just 5 teams playing amongst each other is stupid. If it were up to me, I'd bring back the IHL and have all of the Western Conference teams put their affiliates there.Also, I'd be in favor of Peoria dropping to juniors. The USHL needs more teams in "hockey states". 4 teams in Iowa, 3 in Nebraska, South Dakota? It's a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 As I've said before, the solution I'd favor would be an 18-team AHL limited to Pennsylvania, New York, Ontario, and New England, and then a 14-team IHL of the West, South, and Midwest. The extra two teams would be to give a leg up to the inevitable NHL expansion teams and to temporarily liberate NHL teams from affiliating with the Wolves. Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Having just 5 teams playing amongst each other is stupid. If it were up to me, I'd bring back the IHL and have all of the Western Conference teams put their affiliates there. Also, I'd be in favor of Peoria dropping to juniors. The USHL needs more teams in "hockey states". 4 teams in Iowa, 3 in Nebraska, South Dakota? It's a joke. The Junior Rivermen would die a quick and ugly death. ECHL or bust. Quote On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Yeah, there's really no tradition of junior hockey in most of the US. That's why they're in little towns or community rinks in bigger towns. Janesville has a junior hockey team. That means they have more hockey teams than they have job openings. Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nash61 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 ECHL top attendance teams, 2014-15:1. Ontario (California) Reign- 7,4122. Fort Wayne Komets- 7,3453. Toledo Walleye- 6,4604. Orlando Solar Bears- 5,9435. Colorado Eagles- 5,289AHL bottom attendance teams, 2014-1526. Oklahoma City Barons- 3,344 (FOLDING)27. Worcester Sharks- 3,23928. Albany Devils- 2,97529. Springfield Falcons- 2,91230. Portland (Maine)- 2,784Some interesting moves that I could see happening:Colorado Avalanche move their farm team from Cleveland to Loveland (Eagles).Lake Erie Monsters (8,178 per game, 2nd in AHL) 1,334 miles from DenverColorado Eagles (5,289 per game, 5th in ECHL) 52 miles from DenverColumbus leaves Springfield for the now vacant Lake Erie.Springfield Falcons (2,912 per game, 29th in AHL) 695 miles from ColumbusLake Erie Monsters (8,178 per game, 2nd in AHL) 144 miles from ColumbusSpringfield drops to ECHL.Florida pulls out of San Antonio for OrlandoSan Antonio Rampage (5,601 per game, 10th in AHL) 1,362 miles from MiamiOrlando Solar Bears (5,943 per game, 4th in ECHL) 223 miles from MiamiArizona moves back to San Antonio from PortlandPortland Pirates (2,784 per game, 30th in AHL) 2,747 miles from GlendaleSan Antonio Rampage (5,601 per game, 10th in AHL) 981 miles from GlendalePortland drops to ECHLVancouver moves their farm team cross-country from Utica to VictoriaUtica Comets (3,717 per game, 22nd in AHL) 2,903 miles from VancouverVictoria Royals- WHL (4,534 per game, 9th in WHL) 71 miles from VancouverAbbotsford joins WHL (3,007 per game, would be 18th in WHL)Utica joins ECHLLos Angeles finally gets out of Manchester and moves to OntarioManchester Monarchs (5,548 per game, 11th in AHL) 3,016 miles from Los AngelesOntario Reign (7,412, 1st in ECHL) 37 miles from Los AngelesNew Jersey moves east to Manchester from AlbanyAlbany Devils (2,975 per game, 28th in NHL) 147 miles from NewarkManchester Monarchs (5,548 per game, 11th in AHL) 256 miles from NewarkAlbany to ECHLTL;DR version: To AHL: Colorado Eagles (COL), Orlando Solar Bears (FLA), Victoria Royals (VAN), Ontario Reign (LA)To ECHL: Springfield Falcons, Portland Pirates, Utica Comets, Albany DevilsTo WHL: Abbotsford HeatTotal miles saved: 10,440 Quote On September 20, 2012 at 0:50 AM, 'CS85 said: It's like watching the hellish undead creakily shuffling their way out of the flames of a liposuction clinic dumpster fire. On February 19, 2012 at 9:30 AM, 'pianoknight said: Story B: Red Wings go undefeated and score 100 goals in every game. They also beat a team comprised of Godzilla, the ghost of Abraham Lincoln, 2 Power Rangers and Betty White. Oh, and they played in the middle of Iraq on a military base. In the sand. With no ice. Santa gave them special sand-skates that allowed them to play in shorts and t-shirts in 115 degree weather. Jesus, Zeus and Buddha watched from the sidelines and ate cotton candy. POTD 5/24/12, POTD 2/26/17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Springfield and Portland can get away with low attendance because they have such low travel costs. Also, it's always a quick drive to Boston, and you can fly to anywhere of NHL relevance direct from Boston. Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Springfield and Portland can get away with low attendance because they have such low travel costs. Also, it's always a quick drive to Boston, and you can fly to anywhere of NHL relevance direct from Boston. Also the AHL is headquartered in Springfield. Springfield's had bad attendance forever and could go down to an attendance of "friends and family" and even noted NHL lickspittle David Andrews would still say "now wait a second..." to a proposed move. EDIT, also Lake Erie is owned by Dan Gilbert, who basically uses the team as a loss leader to fill arena dates. You're going to have difficulty prying that franchise loose. Quote On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE619 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Just for the record there is an active WHL (I think) team in San Diego named the Gulls.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Just for the record there is an active WHL (I think) team in San Diego named the Gulls.... They're a Jr. A team. $100,000 in "go away or add a Jr. to your nickname" money will be more money than they've ever seen at once. Quote On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nash61 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Another wrinkle to all of this is that Montreal is looking to put their farm team in Laval. That would mean Hamilton would be without a parent club, and could go to the OHL.What I would be interested to see would be Winnipeg moving their farm team to Hamilton, and Quebec's NHL team (c'mon, it's inevitable) picking up the IceCaps.Winnipeg to St. John's (3,297 miles)Winnipeg to Hamilton (1,348 miles)Quebec City to St. John's (1,435 miles)EDIT: San Diego's rink is perfect for the AHL Quote On September 20, 2012 at 0:50 AM, 'CS85 said: It's like watching the hellish undead creakily shuffling their way out of the flames of a liposuction clinic dumpster fire. On February 19, 2012 at 9:30 AM, 'pianoknight said: Story B: Red Wings go undefeated and score 100 goals in every game. They also beat a team comprised of Godzilla, the ghost of Abraham Lincoln, 2 Power Rangers and Betty White. Oh, and they played in the middle of Iraq on a military base. In the sand. With no ice. Santa gave them special sand-skates that allowed them to play in shorts and t-shirts in 115 degree weather. Jesus, Zeus and Buddha watched from the sidelines and ate cotton candy. POTD 5/24/12, POTD 2/26/17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis10 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 An additional strike against Springfield as one of the relocation sites is that the MGM Casino is moving into town, and has already announced a partnership with the MassMutual Center (where the Falcons play) and has sponsored the Falcons since 2012. The partnership proposal states that MGM commits to an additional three-year sponsorship post-opening of the casino.That's not to say that such a proposal couldn't be transferred to an ECHL team, but it does give some insight as to why a lower attendance number is less of a worry in Springfield than in other places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnPheitseog Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 From what im reading, this'll be the death of the AHL as I know it, and I dont like that idea. Quote Formerly known as DiePerske Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sodboy13 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 The AHL as you know it died in 2001. Quote On 1/25/2013 at 1:53 PM, 'Atom said: For all the bird de lis haters I think the bird de lis isnt supposed to be a pelican and a fleur de lis I think its just a fleur de lis with a pelicans head. Thats what it looks like to me. Also the flair around the tip of the beak is just flair that fleur de lis have sometimes source I am from NOLA. PotD: 10/19/07, 08/25/08, 07/22/10, 08/13/10, 04/15/11, 05/19/11, 01/02/12, and 01/05/12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I always have a soft spot for the Falcons and wish they would draw better. They have a pretty committed core of fans and if you're in between Hartford and Springfield, the Falcons are by far the better bargain compared to the Wolf Pack, who charge as if the Whalers are still in town. I also figured the Falcons would start drawing more since they were winning. I'll never forget the vision of Bruce Landon throwing up his arms and leaving the Civic Center as the 2004 Falcons dropped another third-period lead to Lowell. Fun times. Quote On 4/10/2017 at 3:05 PM, Rollins Man said: what the hell is ccslc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mamiller99 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 To answer the question about the California sub-league, it's kinda like that in the West division. I don't think the Stars even play an Eastern conference team this season. I remember last year when my dad and I were going to try to see if the Falcons came to CPC, to see that the easternmost team was Charlotte or Rochester. I don't know if any other teams do it that way though. Quote That's what- She Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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