AnPheitseog Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 WNY needs more than just one AHL team. Bring Jamestown a team. Quote Formerly known as DiePerske Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerGuyJordan Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 9 hours ago, the admiral said: I say it's time to give Plattsburgh a look. Real northern New York (REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAL HIP-HOP) seems so remote and quaint.  2 hours ago, DiePerske said: WNY needs more than just one AHL team. Bring Jamestown a team. I mean, I'm not ruling anything out, at this juncture, because Utica. Quote Thunder Bay Lynx - International Hockey Association (2 seasons, 2017-18, 2019-20, 2018 Xtreme Cup Champions) | Houston Armadillos - Major League Hockey (2 seasons, 2016-18) | Minnesota Muskies - North American Basketball Association (1 season, 2017-2018) | Louisville Thoroughbreds - United League of Baseball (1 season, 2017, 2017 United Cup Champions) | Las Vegas Thunderbirds - International Basketball League (1 season, 2016-17, 2017 Champions) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 On 9/27/2016 at 0:41 AM, Geoff said: Some Binghamton fans feel a return of the Binghamton Rangers is a done deal and see this video as a hint. At the 2:43 while saying they can't officially announce the new affiliation right now, there's a guy in a Rangers jacket right in the center of the screen. Â Â I will miss that Senator head logo. Â But when did they drop the fleshtone and go with a white face? Â Â Quote The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 Hey, maybe we could see the return of this beauty? Â 1 Quote The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HedleyLamarr Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 On 9/27/2016 at 2:55 AM, Totems!! said: St. John's vs Alaska in the Kelly Cup finals would be fun. Probably bankrupt both teams in airfare cost. When Alaska and Gwinnett played in the Kelly Cup Finals years ago, I remember reading about the Gladiators not being able to get the entire team on one flight to Alaska. There was a little uncertainty that the entire team would get there in time for Game 1. Some players and/or staff were doing some "Planes, Trains, and Automobiles" action to get there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nash61 Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 I wouldn't be surprised to see the Capitals go into Baltimore in the near future once Baltimore's arena is done. Given the recent trend for closer affiliates, here's the current landscape. Teams that the parent has relocated are noted. Anaheim = San Diego (relocated 2015) (119 miles) Arizona = Tuscon (relocated 2016) (127 miles) Boston = Providence (relocated 1992) (51 miles) Buffalo = Rochester (76 miles) Calgary = Stockton (relocated 2015) (1,294 miles) Carolina = Charlotte (relocated 2011) (168 miles) Chicago = Rockford (relocated 2007) (89 miles) Colorado = San Antonio (933 miles) Columbus = Cleveland (144 miles) Dallas = Cedar Park (relocated 2009) (189 miles) Detroit = Grand Rapids (158 miles) Edmonton = Bakersfield (relocated 2015) (1,743 miles) Florida = Springfield (1,416 miles) Los Angeles = Ontario (relocated 2015) (36 miles) Minnesota = Iowa (relocated 2013) (244 miles) Montreal = Laval (relocated 2017) (19 miles) Nashville = Milwaukee (568 miles) New Jersey = Albany (relocated 2010) (148 miles) Islanders = Bridgeport (relocated 2001) (63 miles) Rangers = Hartford (relocated 1997) (124 miles) Ottawa = Belleville (relocated 2017) (168 miles) Philadelphia = Allentown (relocated 2014) (61 miles) Pittsburgh = Wilkes-Barre/Scranton (relocated 1999) (265 miles) St. Louis = Chicago (297 miles) San Jose = San Jose (relocated 2015) (0 miles) Tampa Bay = Syracuse (1,266 miles) Toronto = Toronto (relocated 2005) (2 miles) Vancouver = Utica (relocated 2013) (2,909 miles) Washington = Hershey (128 miles) Winnipeg = Winnipeg (relocated 2015) (0 miles) Teams needing affiliates: Las Vegas Available AHL cities: Binghamton, St. John's, Abbotsford Farthest teams by distance over 300 miles: Utica (VAN) 2,909 miles Bakersfield (EDM) 1,743 miles Springfield (FLA) 1,416 miles Stockton (CAL) 1,294 miles Syracuse (TB) 1,266 miles San Antonio (COL) 933 miles Milwaukee (NSH) 566 miles Bottom 5 AHL attendance from 2015-16 5: Utica (VAN)4: Binghamton 3: Albany (NJ)2: Portland 1: Springfield (FLA) 1 Quote On September 20, 2012 at 0:50 AM, 'CS85 said: It's like watching the hellish undead creakily shuffling their way out of the flames of a liposuction clinic dumpster fire. On February 19, 2012 at 9:30 AM, 'pianoknight said: Story B: Red Wings go undefeated and score 100 goals in every game. They also beat a team comprised of Godzilla, the ghost of Abraham Lincoln, 2 Power Rangers and Betty White. Oh, and they played in the middle of Iraq on a military base. In the sand. With no ice. Santa gave them special sand-skates that allowed them to play in shorts and t-shirts in 115 degree weather. Jesus, Zeus and Buddha watched from the sidelines and ate cotton candy. POTD 5/24/12, POTD 2/26/17  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Harrisburg isn't terribly far from Washington as it is. It seems like people in that part of Pennsylvania are as likely look to Washington-Baltimore as they are to Philadelphia. The Hershey Bears are as close to a cornerstone franchise as the AHL has. They'll go nowhere. Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwabel Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 2 hours ago, nash61 said: I wouldn't be surprised to see the Capitals go into Baltimore in the near future once Baltimore's arena is done.  Near future??? Done???  Ha!  For the second time in four years, the city of Baltimore commissioned another feasibility study for an arena/hotel project. That study is due this time next year.  2021-22 is the earliest anything is close to opening and the 5,000 seat UMBC arena currently under construction doesn't appear to have a chilled floor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmic Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Hershey draws almost NHL-sized crowds. If they lose the Bears, this whole thing is even worse off than I thought. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 They won't, but I can see an AHL where New York State is down to Rochester, Syracuse, and Albany, and that's it. The AHL has already retreated from the Maritimes, and now they're barely even in New England (Bridgeport is in Fairfield, it doesn't really count). The Pennsylvania teams all seem safe because the arenas are new, medium-sized, and in proximity to their parent teams, but you gotta think Utica isn't gonna last much longer with a distant parent team and a small old arena in a small poor town. Hard to feel great about the direction of this league; no one's calling for an all-New York bus league but concentrating on the hockey-fertile Northeast seems like good business for the game at all levels. Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nash61 Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 1 hour ago, the admiral said: They won't, but I can see an AHL where New York State is down to Rochester, Syracuse, and Albany, and that's it. The AHL has already retreated from the Maritimes, and now they're barely even in New England (Bridgeport is in Fairfield, it doesn't really count). The Pennsylvania teams all seem safe because the arenas are new, medium-sized, and in proximity to their parent teams, but you gotta think Utica isn't gonna last much longer with a distant parent team and a small old arena in a small poor town. Hard to feel great about the direction of this league; no one's calling for an all-New York bus league but concentrating on the hockey-fertile Northeast seems like good business for the game at all levels. You really think Syracuse will hold up? They don't have a ton of history (Eagles 1974-75, Crunch 1994-Pres) and don't have a potentially close parent club. Quote On September 20, 2012 at 0:50 AM, 'CS85 said: It's like watching the hellish undead creakily shuffling their way out of the flames of a liposuction clinic dumpster fire. On February 19, 2012 at 9:30 AM, 'pianoknight said: Story B: Red Wings go undefeated and score 100 goals in every game. They also beat a team comprised of Godzilla, the ghost of Abraham Lincoln, 2 Power Rangers and Betty White. Oh, and they played in the middle of Iraq on a military base. In the sand. With no ice. Santa gave them special sand-skates that allowed them to play in shorts and t-shirts in 115 degree weather. Jesus, Zeus and Buddha watched from the sidelines and ate cotton candy. POTD 5/24/12, POTD 2/26/17  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 23 straight years is an eternity in AHL time. They play to about 90% capacity. As long as 'Cuse doesn't start a hockey program, the Crunch seem to be on solid ground. Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nash61 Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 1 minute ago, the admiral said: 23 straight years is an eternity in AHL time. They play to about 90% capacity. As long as 'Cuse doesn't start a hockey program, the Crunch seem to be on solid ground. Hamilton was at 19 years and they disappeared in a hurry. Quote On September 20, 2012 at 0:50 AM, 'CS85 said: It's like watching the hellish undead creakily shuffling their way out of the flames of a liposuction clinic dumpster fire. On February 19, 2012 at 9:30 AM, 'pianoknight said: Story B: Red Wings go undefeated and score 100 goals in every game. They also beat a team comprised of Godzilla, the ghost of Abraham Lincoln, 2 Power Rangers and Betty White. Oh, and they played in the middle of Iraq on a military base. In the sand. With no ice. Santa gave them special sand-skates that allowed them to play in shorts and t-shirts in 115 degree weather. Jesus, Zeus and Buddha watched from the sidelines and ate cotton candy. POTD 5/24/12, POTD 2/26/17  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 12 minutes ago, nash61 said: Hamilton was at 19 years and they disappeared in a hurry.  I think if you gave most Canadian cities a choice between the AHL and major junior hockey they'd honestly choose the major junior team. Especially once it became clear an NHL team isn't coming. 1 Quote On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerGuyJordan Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Utica is the one that amazes me. Low attendance, smallest city and nowhere near their affiliate. I understand that there are different approaches to the AHL game, usually focused of growing the fanbase, and/or success as a talent pipeline. The Comets aren't really doing either for the Canucks, who actually own the team. When Utica wasn't part of the big 2015 move west, I was puzzled.  Albany makes sense for the Devils, geographically, and the league feels like it impugns their honor if they don't have a team in the city where they're headquartered, so, sure...Springfield.  Syracuse, Milwaukee and San Antonio have been relatively successful pipelines, and have strong local fanbases, and it isn't like the parent teams are in such hockey hotbeds that they have great local alternatives. Bakersfield and Stockton need more time to see if the newness wears off and results in a drop.  Is there something I'm missing, with Utica? Quote Thunder Bay Lynx - International Hockey Association (2 seasons, 2017-18, 2019-20, 2018 Xtreme Cup Champions) | Houston Armadillos - Major League Hockey (2 seasons, 2016-18) | Minnesota Muskies - North American Basketball Association (1 season, 2017-2018) | Louisville Thoroughbreds - United League of Baseball (1 season, 2017, 2017 United Cup Champions) | Las Vegas Thunderbirds - International Basketball League (1 season, 2016-17, 2017 Champions) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 3 minutes ago, BeerGuyJordan said: Is there something I'm missing, with Utica?  Vancouver bought the Peoria Rivermen with the intent of moving them to Seattle....if not immediately, then in a year or two. The Peoria Civic Center balked at limbo status, so a move needed to happen, and the NHL said no, you can't set up shop there because we might put a team there whenever that hypothetical arena that will never get built gets built, and Abbotsford grew tired of pulling a Glendale/ran out of money. Utica was kind of an "any port in a storm" situation on the grounds that at least travel costs wouldn't be run up and they had an arena. 1 Quote On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerGuyJordan Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 17 minutes ago, rams80 said:  Vancouver bought the Peoria Rivermen with the intent of moving them to Seattle....if not immediately, then in a year or two. The Peoria Civic Center balked at limbo status, so a move needed to happen, and the NHL said no, you can't set up shop there because we might put a team there whenever that hypothetical arena that will never get built gets built, and Abbotsford grew tired of pulling a Glendale/ran out of money. Utica was kind of an "any port in a storm" situation on the grounds that at least travel costs wouldn't be run up and they had an arena. Got it, another byproduct of the League's hard-on for the Seattle market. Quote Thunder Bay Lynx - International Hockey Association (2 seasons, 2017-18, 2019-20, 2018 Xtreme Cup Champions) | Houston Armadillos - Major League Hockey (2 seasons, 2016-18) | Minnesota Muskies - North American Basketball Association (1 season, 2017-2018) | Louisville Thoroughbreds - United League of Baseball (1 season, 2017, 2017 United Cup Champions) | Las Vegas Thunderbirds - International Basketball League (1 season, 2016-17, 2017 Champions) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nash61 Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 59 minutes ago, BeerGuyJordan said: Got it, another byproduct of the League's hard-on for the Seattle market. Utica has one of the smallest (if not THE smallest) arena in the AHL, but as a byproduct of that are rolling with 55 straight sellouts and counting. It may not be Vancouver in there long term, but one has to think the AHL is pleased at the show of support.  Utica to Newark = 236 miles Utica to NYC = 240 miles Utica to Brooklyn = 246 miles Quote On September 20, 2012 at 0:50 AM, 'CS85 said: It's like watching the hellish undead creakily shuffling their way out of the flames of a liposuction clinic dumpster fire. On February 19, 2012 at 9:30 AM, 'pianoknight said: Story B: Red Wings go undefeated and score 100 goals in every game. They also beat a team comprised of Godzilla, the ghost of Abraham Lincoln, 2 Power Rangers and Betty White. Oh, and they played in the middle of Iraq on a military base. In the sand. With no ice. Santa gave them special sand-skates that allowed them to play in shorts and t-shirts in 115 degree weather. Jesus, Zeus and Buddha watched from the sidelines and ate cotton candy. POTD 5/24/12, POTD 2/26/17  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackieMoon Posted September 30, 2016 Author Share Posted September 30, 2016 I see a Reno AHL team in the near future (for the Knights of Columbus, I mean Las Vegas). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottysprings Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 On September 28, 2016 at 4:29 PM, Gothamite said: Â I will miss that Senator head logo. Â But when did they drop the fleshtone and go with a white face? Â Â I'm pretty sure it was the 2014-15 season when they changed over to the old Ottawa third jersey template and the white face. I agree, definitely liked the flesh tone better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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