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$700. Million. Dollars. For a stadium without a team.

Just move the Jaguars already.

If I was the Chargers I don't see why you wouldn't jump all over this. They can stay in SD until the Stadium is finished and keep but expand their fanbase.

If I were the Chargers, that's exactly what I'd do, only I'd continue to have training camp in San Diego and commit to playing one preseason game at the Q every year.

As a native San Diegan and lifelong Charger fan, I would disagree with this. I would never support the Chargers in L.A., they'd be "dead to me". In fact, I hate to say it but if they moved, I'd be more apt to cheer for the hated Raiders than the Chargers just out of spite.

I remember back when the Clippers left San Diego for L.A., everyone I knew in San Diego went from being Laker haters to Laker fans. Granted the Clippers had a much shorter history in S.D. but it's the same logic. If you're jilted, you hope for the worst for the jilter. Human nature.

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If I were the Chargers, that's exactly what I'd do, only I'd continue to have training camp in San Diego and commit to playing one preseason game at the Q every year.

As a native San Diegan and lifelong Charger fan, I would disagree with this. I would never support the Chargers in L.A., they'd be "dead to me". In fact, I hate to say it but if they moved, I'd be more apt to cheer for the hated Raiders than the Chargers just out of spite.

I remember back when the Clippers left San Diego for L.A., everyone I knew in San Diego went from being Laker haters to Laker fans. Granted the Clippers had a much shorter history in S.D. but it's the same logic. If you're jilted, you hope for the worst for the jilter. Human nature.

Plus that assumes the Q is long for this world if the Chargers leave, which it won't be. Which is another issue. What does SDSU do if the Chargers decide LA is too good to pass up? Because the city isn't going to leave Qualcomm there just for the Aztecs...

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New? The Rams?

Don't forget that St Louis has to build the Rams a new stadium in 3 years, or they can opt out of the lease. And Missouri's latest ballot proposition strips hundreds of millions of dollars out of the city's coffers, which makes that very unlikely.

So the Rams are similarly poised to move, right around the time that the new LA stadium will be ready.

I consider any stadium that opened in 1995 new. It's not like we're talking about one of the old multipurpose stadiums ala Qualcomm or the Metrodome

Read about the lease agreement between St. Louis City/County has with the Rams.

Oh I'm well aware of their "top 10" clause. One of the dumbest things a city ever allowed to be put into a team's lease agreement. However in reality to be in the "top 10" all they need is a renovation to their club level, bigger video boards and some stripper poles. Because in reality that's all these new stadiums have on Edward Jones.

The following is a list of teams with stadia that are newer (or received a major renovation/SLEP conversion) than the Edward Jones Dome

Giants

Eagles

Redskins

Cowboys

Packers

Bears

Lions

Buccaneers

Panthers

Seahawks

Cardinals

Patriots

Jets

Ravens

Browns

Bengals

Steelers

Colts

Titans

Texans

Raiders

Chiefs

Broncos

We may also want to add the Falcons to that list as well-I'm not sure how extensive the Georgia Dome renovations were.

I think the Edward Jones Dome (a stadium built on the cheap to begin with) needs a little more than a fresh coat of paint to get into the top 10. :censored: , they weren't in the Top 10 last review period and only through Frontiere still owning the team and being willing to be bought off with modest improvements did the "year-to-year" escape clause not get invoked.

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Read about the lease agreement between St. Louis City/County has with the Rams.

Oh I'm well aware of their "top 10" clause. One of the dumbest things a city ever allowed to be put into a team's lease agreement. However in reality to be in the "top 10" all they need is a renovation to their club level, bigger video boards and some stripper poles. Because in reality that's all these new stadiums have on Edward Jones.

The following is a list of teams with stadia that are newer (or received a major renovation/SLEP conversion) than the Edward Jones Dome

Giants

Eagles

Redskins

Cowboys

Packers

Bears

Lions

Buccaneers

Panthers

Seahawks

Cardinals

Patriots

Jets

Ravens

Browns

Bengals

Steelers

Colts

Titans

Texans

Raiders

Chiefs

Broncos

We may also want to add the Falcons to that list as well-I'm not sure how extensive the Georgia Dome renovations were.

I think the Edward Jones Dome (a stadium built on the cheap to begin with) needs a little more than a fresh coat of paint to get into the top 10. :censored: , they weren't in the Top 10 last review period and only through Frontiere still owning the team and being willing to be bought off with modest improvements did the "year-to-year" escape clause not get invoked.

Well having received improvements and being subjectively better than Edward Jones are two different things. There's no way Oakland would rate higher than Edward Jones Dome in any measure for instance.

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So scratch the Raiders and Bears. That's still a long list. Is it top 10, or top 50%? I thought it was the latter.

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When James Busch Orthwein was owner of the Patriots in the early 90s, he tried to move the team to St. Louis. Was the building of the Dome related to this move, or was it strictly for the Rams?

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So scratch the Raiders and Bears. That's still a long list. Is it top 10, or top 50%? I thought it was the latter.

Top third actually seems to be the criteria that sticks in my mind. I'm pretty sure it's not the upper half.

When James Busch Orthwein was owner of the Patriots in the early 90s, he tried to move the team to St. Louis. Was the building of the Dome related to this move, or was it strictly for the Rams?

The Edward Jones Dome was built on spec for an NFL team (ground broke in 1992). Based on a check of my copy of the Rams' 1995 yearbook, the timeline on who the stadium was "for" was the expansion Stallions, then Patriots, then Rams, but the stadium was going to be built regardless of the city getting a team.

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Maybe off-topic, all serious:

If the Chargers move to Los Angeles into Farmers Field, what does San Diego State do with Quallcom Stadium?

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One more point to rebut the "all you need is a bucket of paint and a plasma screen TV to fix up the EJD" crowd. Most of the Rams fanbase (such as it is) thinks the stadium is a dump.

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So scratch the Raiders and Bears. That's still a long list. Is it top 10, or top 50%? I thought it was the latter.

Top third actually seems to be the criteria that sticks in my mind. I'm pretty sure it's not the upper half.

When James Busch Orthwein was owner of the Patriots in the early 90s, he tried to move the team to St. Louis. Was the building of the Dome related to this move, or was it strictly for the Rams?

The Edward Jones Dome was built on spec for an NFL team (ground broke in 1992). Based on a check of my copy of the Rams' 1995 yearbook, the timeline on who the stadium was "for" was the expansion Stallions, then Patriots, then Rams, but the stadium was going to be built regardless of the city getting a team.

Didn't the Rams play at old Busch in 1995? Was the stadium not ready?

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So scratch the Raiders and Bears. That's still a long list. Is it top 10, or top 50%? I thought it was the latter.

Top third actually seems to be the criteria that sticks in my mind. I'm pretty sure it's not the upper half.

When James Busch Orthwein was owner of the Patriots in the early 90s, he tried to move the team to St. Louis. Was the building of the Dome related to this move, or was it strictly for the Rams?

The Edward Jones Dome was built on spec for an NFL team (ground broke in 1992). Based on a check of my copy of the Rams' 1995 yearbook, the timeline on who the stadium was "for" was the expansion Stallions, then Patriots, then Rams, but the stadium was going to be built regardless of the city getting a team.

Didn't the Rams play at old Busch in 1995? Was the stadium not ready?

They played the first couple of games at Busch while the stadium was being finished and moved in midseason. (I believe a November game against the Panthers was the first game.)

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Maybe off-topic, all serious:

If the Chargers move to Los Angeles into Farmers Field, what does San Diego State do with Qualcomm Stadium?

San Diego State would short term keep playing there. But long term they wouldn't be able to afford the rent/maintenance on their own and the city would be forced to close the place down (or at least that's the running theory around SD). Which means SDSU would either need to build their own stadium on campus or find someone to help maintain the Q with them. Which is sad really when you consider it's not just SDSU football at risk here, so too are the Holiday Bowl, Poinsettia Bowl, and all the ancillary events that Qualcomm holds regularly (monster trucks, large soccer games, car shows, etc...) that can't be held anywhere else in the county.

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One more point to rebut the "all you need is a bucket of paint and a plasma screen TV to fix up the EJD" crowd. Most of the Rams fanbase (such as it is) thinks the stadium is a dump.

Guess it's all a matter of perspective. I've seen many NFL games over the years, but to date all of my in person experiences have been at Candlestick Park, Qualcomm Stadium and the Oakland Coliseum. So you'll have to excuse me if I see the Rams and their fans as being spoiled.

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You're right that it was a stupid clause. Because the new stadiums are so far above Edward Jones in terms of revenue generation that they've no hope of renovating it to fit.

Even if St Louis had the money, which they don't. Thanks to a cranky anti-tax "take money away from those city folk" ballot measure, St Louis will have a hard enough time paying its cops and teachers, much less coming up with a spare billion or so.

That stupid clause is what will send the Rams to LA.

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To you from failing hands we throw the Rams, be yours to hold it high. We shall not sleep, though no one plays at Farmers Field.

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Read about the lease agreement between St. Louis City/County has with the Rams.

Oh I'm well aware of their "top 10" clause. One of the dumbest things a city ever allowed to be put into a team's lease agreement. However in reality to be in the "top 10" all they need is a renovation to their club level, bigger video boards and some stripper poles. Because in reality that's all these new stadiums have on Edward Jones.

The following is a list of teams with stadia that are newer (or received a major renovation/SLEP conversion) than the Edward Jones Dome

Giants

Eagles

Redskins

Cowboys

Packers

Bears

Lions

Buccaneers

Panthers

Seahawks

Cardinals

Patriots

Jets

Ravens

Browns

Bengals

Steelers

Colts

Titans

Texans

Raiders

Chiefs

Broncos

We may also want to add the Falcons to that list as well-I'm not sure how extensive the Georgia Dome renovations were.

I think the Edward Jones Dome (a stadium built on the cheap to begin with) needs a little more than a fresh coat of paint to get into the top 10. :censored: , they weren't in the Top 10 last review period and only through Frontiere still owning the team and being willing to be bought off with modest improvements did the "year-to-year" escape clause not get invoked.

Well having received improvements and being subjectively better than Edward Jones are two different things. There's no way Oakland would rate higher than Edward Jones Dome in any measure for instance.

You know, having been to both facilities I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. I've been to the Oakland Coliseum quite a few times and personally consider it to be an underrated stadium that gets too much unwarranted negative attention. I've only been to the EJD once, but man was that place miserable and lifeless, unlike the Coliseum which is almost always entertaining. And even though the EJD may have better facilities than Oakland, it's just barely better.

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You're right that it was a stupid clause. Because the new stadiums are so far above Edward Jones in terms of revenue generation that they've no hope of renovating it to fit.

Even if St Louis had the money, which they don't. Thanks to a cranky anti-tax "take money away from those city folk" ballot measure, St Louis will have a hard enough time paying its cops and teachers, much less coming up with a spare billion or so.

That stupid clause is what will send the Rams to LA.

Well based on the LA Mayor's comments it appears the Rams and Jags will be taking a back seat to the Vikings and Chargers for the time being as they'd like those two teams as their first choices and supposedly have already had meetings with them. Which might explain why the Chargers abruptly took that 35% share they were selling off the market.

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Read about the lease agreement between St. Louis City/County has with the Rams.

Oh I'm well aware of their "top 10" clause. One of the dumbest things a city ever allowed to be put into a team's lease agreement. However in reality to be in the "top 10" all they need is a renovation to their club level, bigger video boards and some stripper poles. Because in reality that's all these new stadiums have on Edward Jones.

The following is a list of teams with stadia that are newer (or received a major renovation/SLEP conversion) than the Edward Jones Dome

Giants

Eagles

Redskins

Cowboys

Packers

Bears

Lions

Buccaneers

Panthers

Seahawks

Cardinals

Patriots

Jets

Ravens

Browns

Bengals

Steelers

Colts

Titans

Texans

Raiders

Chiefs

Broncos

We may also want to add the Falcons to that list as well-I'm not sure how extensive the Georgia Dome renovations were.

I think the Edward Jones Dome (a stadium built on the cheap to begin with) needs a little more than a fresh coat of paint to get into the top 10. :censored: , they weren't in the Top 10 last review period and only through Frontiere still owning the team and being willing to be bought off with modest improvements did the "year-to-year" escape clause not get invoked.

Well having received improvements and being subjectively better than Edward Jones are two different things. There's no way Oakland would rate higher than Edward Jones Dome in any measure for instance.

You know, having been to both facilities I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. I've been to the Oakland Coliseum quite a few times and personally consider it to be an underrated stadium that gets too much unwarranted negative attention. I've only been to the EJD once, but man was that place miserable and lifeless, unlike the Coliseum which is almost always entertaining. And even though the EJD may have better facilities than Oakland, it's just barely better.

Well I won't deny that the Coliseum is entertaining, but it's a dump of a physical stadium. You want to talk about lifeless. And the design is terrible for both sports it hosts. And don't get me started on the narrow concourses, dilapidated bathrooms, poor concessions, and of course the upper deck seats that are the ultimate nosebleeds on Mount Davis.

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Sounds like where these guys play.

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My daughters went to that school. Their '93 state championship victory was a game for the ages. They scored with 12 seconds left to win 43-37.

Texas had two high school divisions - something like 5A Div. 1 and 5A Div. 2 - and in '96, the QB of the other division's champion was Drew Brees.

My HS team (Duncanville) lost to Lewisville in the first round of the playoffs in '96.

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New? The Rams?

Don't forget that St Louis has to build the Rams a new stadium in 3 years, or they can opt out of the lease. And Missouri's latest ballot proposition strips hundreds of millions of dollars out of the city's coffers, which makes that very unlikely.

So the Rams are similarly poised to move, right around the time that the new LA stadium will be ready.

I consider any stadium that opened in 1995 new. It's not like we're talking about one of the old multipurpose stadiums ala Qualcomm or the Metrodome

Read about the lease agreement between St. Louis City/County has with the Rams.

Oh I'm well aware of their "top 10" clause. One of the dumbest things a city ever allowed to be put into a team's lease agreement. However in reality to be in the "top 10" all they need is a renovation to their club level, bigger video boards and some stripper poles. Because in reality that's all these new stadiums have on Edward Jones.

The following is a list of teams with stadia that are newer (or received a major renovation/SLEP conversion) than the Edward Jones Dome

Giants

Eagles

Redskins

Cowboys

Packers

Bears

Lions

Buccaneers

Panthers

Seahawks

Cardinals

Patriots

Jets

Ravens

Browns

Bengals

Steelers

Colts

Titans

Texans

Raiders

Chiefs

Broncos

We may also want to add the Falcons to that list as well-I'm not sure how extensive the Georgia Dome renovations were.

I think the Edward Jones Dome (a stadium built on the cheap to begin with) needs a little more than a fresh coat of paint to get into the top 10. :censored: , they weren't in the Top 10 last review period and only through Frontiere still owning the team and being willing to be bought off with modest improvements did the "year-to-year" escape clause not get invoked.

You forgot the dolphins, major renovations were made for the last SB, and even more are planned as well.

Last time the entire luxory level was renovated/expanded and a club was installed downstairs called Club Liv.

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